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Selecting First Biotest Product

I just finished reading:

Solving The Post-Workout Puzzle ? Part 1
What Happens After The Workout?
By John M Berardi

and

Solving The Post-Workout Puzzle ? Part 2
The Recovery Plan
by John M Berardi

Both were written in the first quarter of 2001, and that presents a problem, for I fear there has surely been some more recent available information.

So I started lifting heavily at the start of June of this year, and am probably going through the end of the first stage of my “newb” gains, where you shoot up in the amount of weight you can lift 3-4x of what you start out with.

I started out eating things like Subway and Chipotle (real foods) after working out. Then I went to protein bars before and after the workout (I am aware of about the 90-minute or less window). Then I evolved to liquid nutrition (Gatorade and whey protein), although I am aware that fruit sugars might be useless as workout food. Now I’m looking for something from this site and need some clarification.

  1. I see Surge Recovery, Power Drive, Grow! Premium Quality Whey, Metabolic Drive Super Protein Shake, and Metabolic Drive Complete.

I’m a little confused about when you would need which type of supplement. I’m just looking for the general post-workout supplement. I’m thinking Surge.

Help me select a supplement and/or tell me briefly the practical uses for them.

Example: Whey protein alone = useless?

  1. I read somewhere on this site that peri-supplementation (might be an incorrect term) is also now extremely useful. I know I feel better when I take something before and after.

I know the general info, like 2:1 ratio of carbs to protein, but is this to be followed before AND after, or what. What I mean is that, do I take 60g carbs/30g protein after AND before, or split them in half if I’m going to do before and after instead of just after.

Any information is helpful.

  • Mark Anthony

[quote]Mark Anthony wrote:
I just finished reading:

Solving The Post-Workout Puzzle ? Part 1
What Happens After The Workout?
By John M Berardi

and

Solving The Post-Workout Puzzle ? Part 2
The Recovery Plan
by John M Berardi

Both were written in the first quarter of 2001, and that presents a problem, for I fear there has surely been some more recent available information.

So I started lifting heavily at the start of June of this year, and am probably going through the end of the first stage of my “newb” gains, where you shoot up in the amount of weight you can lift 3-4x of what you start out with.

I started out eating things like Subway and Chipotle (real foods) after working out. Then I went to protein bars before and after the workout (I am aware of about the 90-minute or less window). Then I evolved to liquid nutrition (Gatorade and whey protein), although I am aware that fruit sugars might be useless as workout food. Now I’m looking for something from this site and need some clarification.

  1. I see Surge Recovery, Power Drive, Grow! Premium Quality Whey, Metabolic Drive Super Protein Shake, and Metabolic Drive Complete.

I’m a little confused about when you would need which type of supplement. I’m just looking for the general post-workout supplement. I’m thinking Surge.

Help me select a supplement and/or tell me briefly the practical uses for them.

Example: Whey protein alone = useless?

  1. I read somewhere on this site that peri-supplementation (might be an incorrect term) is also now extremely useful. I know I feel better when I take something before and after.

I know the general info, like 2:1 ratio of carbs to protein, but is this to be followed before AND after, or what. What I mean is that, do I take 60g carbs/30g protein after AND before, or split them in half if I’m going to do before and after instead of just after.

Any information is helpful.

  • Mark Anthony[/quote]

Why aren’t you asking this question in the “Beginner” section?

Are you so lazy that you want someone to spoon feed you Supplements 101?

Anyone who will suffer you will surely give subpar advice - which is exactly what you deserve!

For the peri workout windoa you are looking for Surge. Other times of the Day Grow or Metabolic Drive.

You might look at some of the writing by Dave Barr kind of updates much of the peri workout window stuff.

Phill

I felt the question was more appropriate for the “Supplements and Nutrition” section since it is a question about supplements and nutrition. I guess I was wrong.

[quote]Mark Anthony wrote:
I felt the question was more appropriate for the “Supplements and Nutrition” section since it is a question about supplements and nutrition. I guess I was wrong.[/quote]

Don’t worry about it, some people are wound a little tighter than others…

For PWO nutrition Surge is what you are looking for.

To explain more gets a bit more complicated. For example, Metabolic Drive has micellar casein and therefor digests slower, which makes it advantageous for a late night shake.

Whey, on the other hand, is a more economical and can be used anytime you just want to get some more protein on your menu.

Other general beginners supplements might include creatine, BCAA’s and Flameout (omega-3s). Hit up the store and read the product threads, that should help. All kinds of silly questions have been asked an answered countless times.

[quote]Mark Anthony wrote:
I’m a little confused about when you would need which type of supplement. I’m just looking for the general post-workout supplement. I’m thinking Surge.

Help me select a supplement and/or tell me briefly the practical uses for them.

Example: Whey protein alone = useless?

  1. I read somewhere on this site that peri-supplementation (might be an incorrect term) is also now extremely useful. I know I feel better when I take something before and after.
  • Mark Anthony[/quote]

I think Surge is your best bet. I mix it a little thin and start drinking it at the beginning of my workout. I try to finish half of it during the workout and the other half immediately after.

Thanks for the useful information. I read some articles by Dave Barr and found them useful.

I actually read about both “Metabolic Drive” products, micellar casein, and the original MET-Rx. I actually remember trying this product a couple of years ago when it went under the label Grow!. MET-Rx was the first supplement I ever tried, back in 1999, so it was interesting to read about it.

I am now clear that the short answer to my question is to get Surge for pre, during, and post workout, etc. Thanks.

My real question I guess then is two-fold:

  1. When would you want to take JUST whey protein (I thought this was a PWO)? I mean, is Surge just whey with carbs? Why not have a big tub of whey and a packet of sugar? Is whey protein useful alone? Besides mixing it in cereal, etc, what else it is good for?

  2. When would you want an MRP (which I assume is what Metabolic Drive (aka Grow!) is? Would you use this as an additional meal option? Say you’re eating 5-6 meals a day, would you make Metabolic Drive one or two of those meals a day?

Am I on the right track with these two products?

  • Mark Anthony

P.S. I’m not one of these newbs that doesn’t have the basics down and wants to overcompensate with supplements. I eat clean (even broccoli), eat several meals a day, eat healthy fats. I honestly don’t have cheat meals, except maybe a pack of peanuts, you get the point. Oh and I eat 2500 or so calories a day. I’m just looking to step it up and finally add ONE supplement.

[quote]Mark Anthony wrote:

  1. When would you want to take JUST whey protein (I thought this was a PWO)? I mean, is Surge just whey with carbs? Why not have a big tub of whey and a packet of sugar? Is whey protein useful alone? Besides mixing it in cereal, etc, what else it is good for?[/quote]

read the product thread it will expalin the difference between Surge which is hydro whey and simple carbs from that of regular whey. In basics Hydro is a very fast pre digested whey. Then there is the mix of malto etc and added BCAA’s

other parts of the day when you need protein. Whey being not as long lasting the Metabolic Drive being sustained relaese from the casien either should IMO be in addition to FOOD carbs fats etc.

If bulking up you may be best to go with just a plain whey as it will digest faster leaving you ready for more food sooner and reserve the Metabolic Drivew for times when you wont be able to have food for several hours Like Sleep etc.

Hope that helps,
Phill

Get yourself a tub of Grow! Whey and one of Surge.

Use Grow! to supplement food throughout the day (but you still need to eat plenty of food, especially protein).

Drink a full serving of Surge after workout. Eat solid food 60…90 minutes after that.