Second Cycle

[quote]TRTblastcruise wrote:
Testosterone is testosterone. Testosterone aromatizes to estrogen.

Please explain how test propionate (if used consistently, preferably ED, for a 12 week cycle) will aromatize less than an equal amount of testosterone enanthate, taking into account the ester weights in determination of “equal amount”.

Not being a dick, I’m just sincerely interested in why you believe this is this case. [/quote]

You’re not, and it is a valid question. The internet offers a wide variety of information on steroid use, unfortuanatley almost all of it is users personal experiences, and very rarely do I stumble upon an actual scientific study, especially on specific subjects. So, from reading other forums I’ve time and time again come to the conclusion that Test P is considerably less likely to cause water retention. Reasons given are “because it’s only in your system for a few days, and doesn’t have time to.” that simply cannot be true, and in general any crackhead can pass his 6 cents off as truth.

Some sites, and my source, stress that this is also the case, with little or no real scientific explanation given. I give websites more credit, but certainly take their findings with a grain of salt. Some of them are:

“most people from other discussion boards who have tried differing esters on their various cycles agree: Testosterone Propionate causes the least side effects and the least bloating. For this reason, its often the testosterone of choice in cutting cycles.”

“Another nice advantage of propionate is that it causes less bloating than longer acting esters. Besides the cosmetic advantage it allows test to be used while cutting â?? perfect for competitive bodybuilders. This alone is why you can never tell a prop lover â??test is test.â?? There is a difference. How much of a difference, however, is arguable.”

“Another benefit of using testosterone propionate is that is causes less water retention than other testosterones. This is attractive to those who want the mass and strength gains of testosterone without as much bloat. Itâ??s also invaluable to competing bodybuilders who want to maintain size, strength and libido up to contest time but without excessive bloat.”

There you have it. I sincerely wish I could give you professionally supported proof- I wish I could give myself professionally support proof on a what a proper cycle for my specific goals, but that isn’t easy to come by, and that’s why I’m on forums.

Also, to throw in a kicker, there is actually more testosterone in 100mg of Prop than say Enanth, so there is more test that could convert to estrogen. If anyone can clue us in I’d appreciate it.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]TRTblastcruise wrote:
Testosterone is testosterone. Testosterone aromatizes to estrogen.

Please explain how test propionate (if used consistently, preferably ED, for a 12 week cycle) will aromatize less than an equal amount of testosterone enanthate, taking into account the ester weights in determination of “equal amount”.

Not being a dick, I’m just sincerely interested in why you believe this is this case. [/quote]

OP is an idiot. Youre speaking on deaf ears.

It’s nice that youre trying but guys like the OP dont learn. They just grab the shiniest object and play until interest is lost. [/quote]

I’ve got like 23 posts on the board! How has this thread proved that I’m not open to learning and more information? Have my actions on this thread proved that I’m a complete idiot, not willing to listen, or are you saying this because your pal Mr. Walkway called you in to help sling some shit because he wasn’t doing so hot? You seem to be pretty buddy buddy judging by your post histories, I think your the one who coached him on his first cycle right?

you sir, are an idiot

[quote]cementhedd wrote:
you sir, are an idiot[/quote]

Fuck.

Well at least it was formally worded.

[quote]championrugby wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]TRTblastcruise wrote:
Testosterone is testosterone. Testosterone aromatizes to estrogen.

Please explain how test propionate (if used consistently, preferably ED, for a 12 week cycle) will aromatize less than an equal amount of testosterone enanthate, taking into account the ester weights in determination of “equal amount”.

Not being a dick, I’m just sincerely interested in why you believe this is this case. [/quote]

OP is an idiot. Youre speaking on deaf ears.

It’s nice that youre trying but guys like the OP dont learn. They just grab the shiniest object and play until interest is lost. [/quote]

or are you saying this because your pal Mr. Walkway called you in to help sling some shit because he wasn’t doing so hot? You seem to be pretty buddy buddy judging by your post histories, I think your the one who coached him on his first cycle right?

Look man, don’t make this weird. Just take the advice that was given to you in this thread, do a little more research and you will be set.

just "speculating " but could test prop cause less bloating due to the fact that it is injected ED or EOD atleast to maintain more stable blood levels thus causing less “peaks and valleys” then say test E that is shot E3D or even once a week by some less savvy users?

From what I understand, test is test, it aromatizes. I also know that the more stable your levels, the less likely you will experience unwanted sides such as bloating.

So I can see where test prop could get this rep, but only by the the speed at which the ester cleaves off and injection schedule.

Does that make sense or is my logic faulty?

[quote]championrugby wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]TRTblastcruise wrote:
Testosterone is testosterone. Testosterone aromatizes to estrogen.

Please explain how test propionate (if used consistently, preferably ED, for a 12 week cycle) will aromatize less than an equal amount of testosterone enanthate, taking into account the ester weights in determination of “equal amount”.

Not being a dick, I’m just sincerely interested in why you believe this is this case. [/quote]

OP is an idiot. Youre speaking on deaf ears.

It’s nice that youre trying but guys like the OP dont learn. They just grab the shiniest object and play until interest is lost. [/quote]

I’ve got like 23 posts on the board! How has this thread proved that I’m not open to learning and more information? Have my actions on this thread proved that I’m a complete idiot, not willing to listen, or are you saying this because your pal Mr. Walkway called you in to help sling some shit because he wasn’t doing so hot? You seem to be pretty buddy buddy judging by your post histories, I think your the one who coached him on his first cycle right?

More often than not I do not agree with Mr.Walkway. In fact I think he posts a fair amount of garbage at times. Im not even sure why his name came up as I didnt quote his post.

I dont have any buddies here. Its the fucking internet you weirdo. I have a normal life in the real world.

Ive gathered that youre an idiot because instead of reading what people are saying and taking the time to see if theyre right or not, youre instantly responding with a reply that either misses the point or further shows that you are simply parroting information that everyone here has read 1000s of times over.

We’ve all read the bigcat ‘steroid profiles’ or whatever site youre pulling info from. Use some common sense. How many hits do you think a site would get if the individual steroid profiles all sounded extremely similar (which they should based on the actions of these drugs)?

[quote]bchrisen wrote:
just "speculating " but could test prop cause less bloating due to the fact that it is injected ED or EOD atleast to maintain more stable blood levels thus causing less “peaks and valleys” then say test E that is shot E3D or even once a week by some less savvy users?

From what I understand, test is test, it aromatizes. I also know that the more stable your levels, the less likely you will experience unwanted sides such as bloating.

So I can see where test prop could get this rep, but only by the the speed at which the ester cleaves off and injection schedule.

Does that make sense or is my logic faulty?[/quote]

Im going with the fact that bodybuulders tend to use prop during fat loss phases and the beginning of contest preps. And long esters during muscle gain phases. Diet has a huge effect on water retention.

Also, most people dont know the difference between water retention (bloating) and just being fatter than they think they are.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]bchrisen wrote:
just "speculating " but could test prop cause less bloating due to the fact that it is injected ED or EOD atleast to maintain more stable blood levels thus causing less “peaks and valleys” then say test E that is shot E3D or even once a week by some less savvy users?

From what I understand, test is test, it aromatizes. I also know that the more stable your levels, the less likely you will experience unwanted sides such as bloating.

So I can see where test prop could get this rep, but only by the the speed at which the ester cleaves off and injection schedule.

Does that make sense or is my logic faulty?[/quote]

Im going with the fact that bodybuulders tend to use prop during fat loss phases and the beginning of contest preps. And long esters during muscle gain phases. Diet has a huge effect on water retention.

Also, most people dont know the difference between water retention (bloating) and just being fatter than they think they are.
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Fair enough