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School Violence & Bully Video Game

With all the school violence now a days and concerns about where they are getting the violent urge, what do you all think of this new video game “BULLY?”

http://www.rockstargames.com/bully/home/

I found this summary about the game:

[quote]
25 June 2005
BEAT THE BULLIES: A NEW LOW …THE VIDEO GAME THAT MAKES IT COOL TO BE A BULLY
By David Edwards

A SKINHEAD thug wins a bloody playground fight with a classmate, before hunting down a teacher as his next victim.

This is Bully. A new video game that’s been called the sickest ever, a sadistic orgy of violence where you win points for being the most vicious yob in a reform school.

News of the game’s release comes as research suggests that playing violent video games makes youngsters more aggressive.

And it appears in the same week as the Daily Mirror launched the Beat The Bullies campaign, backed by X-Factor judge Simon Cowell.

Horrified child welfare campaigners and teachers’ groups are calling on the government to ban the Bully game.

Liz Carnell of campaign group Bullying Online says: "This game should be banned. I’m extremely worried that kids will play it and then act out what they’ve seen in the classroom. [/quote]

What do you all think? Bad? Good? Indifferent?

There’s no blood, there’s no death, there are no guns. You get in trouble.

There are two groups of people that will give a shit about this game:

  1. Bad parents.
  2. Parents who have already failed their children, and who have gone on a crusade to blame everyone but themselves for being unable to raise a child.

Videogames for me as a kid were an outlet. This will be no different.

I think the game is awesome. I’m halfway through. Yes it’s violent. Yes it’s rather disturbing. But I would not have bought it if it hadn’t been.

It’s been said on here alot but if parents are so up in arms about this game how about they get up off their asses and do a little parenting instead of just trying to ban everything that could influence a child without a mentoring factor in their lives.

I wish copies of these games could be made.

IT’S A VIDEO GAME. IT’S NOT REALITY.

I really hate when any music, TV show, movie, video game, etc get blamed for shit like this. For people actually “parent” their children, this is not a problem.

They need a game called Gym bully…

Just had a workout where the gym was full of boy-band drop outs who were standing around, chatting, getting in the way and not be respectful of those around them who were actually trying to break a sweat.

The game could feature a ‘rage’ meter that increases everytime one of these low-lifes gets in the way during a lift. Gain enough points and it allows a special move that features holding their face against a moving treadmill belt.

Any programmers out there?

I am a big fan of video games, especially violent ones. But when i have children the violence level and time spent on the games will be controlled. Elements of your environment do leak in and effect you, particulary in childhood, i did. It was a game. Of course good parenting can balance that out. However i do question the level of violence and shit i see in the media these days.

There is no proof saying there ISNT a effect. There is only abstract, indirect evidence that there is an effect. Much like the idea of how mass amount of porn can effect your view of women. Putting a leash on it isnt a bad idea.

[quote]Beatnik wrote:
I am a big fan of video games, especially violent ones. But when i have children the violence level and time spent on the games will be controlled. Elements of your environment do leak in and effect you, particulary in childhood, i did. It was a game. Of course good parenting can balance that out. However i do question the level of violence and shit i see in the media these days.

There is no proof saying there ISNT a effect. There is only abstract, indirect evidence that there is an effect. Much like the idea of how mass amount of porn can effect your view of women. Putting a leash on it isnt a bad idea.[/quote]

Why can’t you simply put a leash on it IN YOUR OWN HOME?

[quote]Dweezil wrote:
There’s no blood, there’s no death, there are no guns. You get in trouble.

There are two groups of people that will give a shit about this game:

  1. Bad parents.
  2. Parents who have already failed their children, and who have gone on a crusade to blame everyone but themselves for being unable to raise a child.

Videogames for me as a kid were an outlet. This will be no different.[/quote]

I agree, however the bad parent will be the one buying the game, not just dissing it.

I have control of what my kids play, if they purchase this game after we discussed it’s not aceptable to condone bully activities it will be gone from the home, my kids are in their teens they work and they still live at home. They know the rules and our family values so really I am not concerned. My Son is looking forward to Gears of War, Halo 3 and the second Fable game. I know some games can be violent and close to reality however to be a bully is simply a choice and not a good one socially. Grand Theft Auto series are different in a way as it is a product of the environment, the characters displayed in these series are beyond bully, they are protraying adults that have made poor decisions in life, the gangsta life etc. Could it be considered a form of bullying? Perhaps, although it is not my kids reality, and isn’t this the purpose of games? To want to be a Bully? I don’t think so, the unrealistic gansta life doesn’t even appeal to my kids, they just like the car driving and crashing stunts, we discuss the games and they know they would be shitting their pants if this was real. Bullying is attainable however not accecptable, even for my kids and they have been bullied and we as parents have dealt with it. They haven’t been bullied since.

Just my opinion.

Hmmmmm…let me think, oh yeah, there was bullying back when I was a kid, and the best we had was doom.

You know in the game you can actually stop the bullies right? Its pretty open-ended. Maybe if your kid is taking a perverse pleasure in beating the piss out of the dork with glasses in the game, you need to look at your kid before going off on the game. (that’s to nobody in general, just the idiots who say dumb shit about video games and violence).

There is nothing wrong with the game, you try to stop bullies, you even run away from them. Its just the idea that people dont like… but I have to say I am getting sick of the new generation of video games, I havent played them in awhile, and I think I will eventually get a PS3 when It gets cheaper but for now, I purchased a Super Nintendo and Ill be playing Street Fighter 2 Turbo for awhile…

If you dont want your kids exposed to a game DONT BUY IT FOR THEM. If you see they somehow own it TAKE IT AWAY.

Are parents really this fucking lazy these days? When I got caught with matches or stealing when I was younger I got my ass handed to me. And I had a single mother who raised 4 kids and worked 2 waitressing jobs 6 days a week. Now if she found time to disclipline her kids how the fuck cant these lazy fucking parents do it today. Its fucking pathetic.

P.S. Not directed at anyone.

Back in my day we had real bullies. You took a punch and threw a punch. If a kid pulled a knife, you hit him with a brick.

This fantasy violence with no real cause and effect is bullshit.

You know, I bet the people complaining about this type of game is the same people that complain about porn in Disney movies.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Beatnik wrote:
I am a big fan of video games, especially violent ones. But when i have children the violence level and time spent on the games will be controlled. Elements of your environment do leak in and effect you, particulary in childhood, i did. It was a game. Of course good parenting can balance that out. However i do question the level of violence and shit i see in the media these days.

There is no proof saying there ISNT a effect. There is only abstract, indirect evidence that there is an effect. Much like the idea of how mass amount of porn can effect your view of women. Putting a leash on it isnt a bad idea.

Why can’t you simply put a leash on it IN YOUR OWN HOME?[/quote]

Exactly. This shit is too expensive for kids to be able to afford it on their own. It should not be too difficult to keep it away fom your kids if that is what you want.

Good parenting trumps most of these things.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Back in my day we had real bullies. You took a punch and threw a punch. If a kid pulled a knife, you hit him with a brick.

[/quote]

He puts one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue.

It was the high school way.

I think WAY too much is made of video game violence to begin with, but especially with this game in particular. There are no knives or guns or blood or anything. The kid pulls pranks and gets into scraps.

The best quote I read on the game was from a piece on MSNBC ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15389371/ ):

[quote]Anyone who thinks video games are teaching our children how to be vicious, cruel and perhaps even violent has forgotten just how vicious, cruel and perhaps even violent children can be all on their very own.

Especially brutal are those tween years ? 12 to 16 ? that time when kids are beginning to flex their growing mental and physical muscles and often do so with no real sense of how they’re affecting the people around them. Yes, if memory serves, teens don’t need a game to show them how to act like a school of piranhas on the hunt for blood. It just comes naturally.[/quote]

Could not have said it better myself. Why is it every generation of adults has this Pollyanna view of what it was like in the “good ol’ days” when they were growing up?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
Back in my day we had real bullies. You took a punch and threw a punch. If a kid pulled a knife, you hit him with a brick.

He puts one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue.

It was the high school way.[/quote]

Best reference to “The Untouchables” ever.

[quote]PGA wrote:
If you dont want your kids exposed to a game DONT BUY IT FOR THEM. If you see they somehow own it TAKE IT AWAY.

Are parents really this fucking lazy these days? When I got caught with matches or stealing when I was younger I got my ass handed to me. And I had a single mother who raised 4 kids and worked 2 waitressing jobs 6 days a week. Now if she found time to disclipline her kids how the fuck cant these lazy fucking parents do it today. Its fucking pathetic.

P.S. Not directed at anyone.[/quote]

Solid post.

I really don’t understand parents complaining either, if you don’t want your kid to play it…well…ummm you are the parent right.

God bless your mother and millions of strong mother’s out there especially the one’s doing it alone and doing it right.

You’re right, it comes down to parenting. I guess I should look into the game more and be more open minded.

I have been bullied as a kid, I was small and scrawny at 12 and had the shit kicked out of me by a 16 year old, I had a black eye, bruises all over and I thought I had cracked ribs, probably just bruised. My Dad was absolutely livid and was out for blood, told him don’t worry I’ll take care of it.

Flash forward 6 years, weights, sports etc. and one day I meet this asshole and walk up to him, asked if remembers me. NOPE,he didn’t, I then grabbed him and beat the living crap out of him and let him know that kids grow up. My Dad happened to see this from afar and when I got home he asked WTF was that about, I just said, “Remember the black eye I had?” He said “Holy fuck! that was the guy? Shit, you weren’t kidding when you said you’d take care of it, I forgot all about it.” “Kids don’t foget getting beat up Dad.” is all I said and that was the end of that.