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Scholars for 9/11 Truth


#1

Because intelligent people want to know....

BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
By Elaine Jarvik
Deseret Morning News
January 28, 2006
Last fall, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that the World Trade Center collapsed because of "pre-positioned explosives." Now, along with a group that calls itself "Scholars for 9/11 Truth," he's upping the ante.

  "We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11," the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. "We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad."

  Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others.

  [b]They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program[/b], and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known.


  The group's Web site (www.ST911.org) includes an updated version of Jones's paper about the collapse of the Twin Towers and a paper by Fetzer that looks at conspiracy theories. The government's version of the events of 9/11 -- that the plane's hijackers were tied to Osama bin Laden -- is its own conspiracy theory, says Fetzer, who has studied the John F. Kennedy assassination since 1992.

  "Did the Bush administration know in advance about the impending attacks that occurred on 9/11, and allow these to happen, to provoke pre-planned wars against Afghanistan and Iraq? These questions demand immediate answers," charges a paper written collectively by Scholars for 9/11 Truth. The group plans to write more papers, and present lectures and conferences.

  "We have very limited resources and no subpoena powers," Fetzer said. "What you have is a bunch of serious scholars taking a look at this and discovering it didn't add up. We don't have a political ax to grind."

  Fetzer has doctorates in the history and philosophy of science. "One of the roles I can play here," he said, "is to explain why a certain line of argument is correct or not."

  In his original message to potential members last month, Fetzer warned that joining the group might make them the subject of government surveillance and might get them on various lists of "potential terrorists."

The group's charges include:
  * Members of the Bush administration knew in advance that the 9/11 attacks would happen but did nothing to stop them.

  * No Air Force or Air National Guard jets were sent to "scramble" the hijacked planes, which were clearly deviating from their flight plans, although jet fighters had been deployed for scramblings 67 times in the year prior to 9/11. The procedure for issuing orders for scrambling was changed in June 2001, requiring that approval could only come from the Secretary of Defense, but Donald Rumsfeld was not alerted soon enough on 9/11, according to Scholars group.

  * The video of Osama bin Laden found by American troops in Afghanistan in December 2001, in which bin Laden says he orchestrated the attacks, is not bin Laden. The Scholars for 9/11 Truth compared the video with a photo of the "real" bin Laden and argue that there are discrepancies in the ratio of nose-length to nose-width, as well as distance from tip-of-nose to ear lobe.

  The Scholars group hopes that media outlets around the world will ask experts in their areas to examine the group's findings and assertions. If this were done, they argue, "one of the great hoaxes of history would stand naked before the eyes of the world."

  The group also asks for an investigation of the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings, following up on points made in Jones's paper, "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" That paper, recently updated, has been posted on Jones's BYU Web site since last November.

  Jones argues that the WTC buildings did not collapse due to impact or fires caused by the jets hitting the towers but collapsed as a result of pre-positioned "cutter charges." Proof, he says, includes:

  * Molten metal was found in the subbasements of WTC sites weeks after 9/11; the melting point of structural steel is 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit and the temperature of jet fuel does not exceed 1,800 degrees. Molten metal was also found in the building known as WTC7, although no plane had struck it. Jones's paper also includes a photo of a slag of the metal being extracted from ground zero. The slag, Jones argues, could not be aluminum from the planes because in photographs the metal was salmon-to-yellow-hot temperature (approximately 1,550 to 1,900 degrees F) "well above the melting temperatures of lead and aluminum," which would be a liquid at that temperature.

  * Building WTC7 collapsed in 6.6 seconds, which means, Jones says, that the steel and concrete support had to be simply knocked out of the way. "Explosive demolitions are like that," he said. "It doesn't fit the model of the fire-induced pancake collapse."

  * No steel-frame, high-rise buildings have ever before or since been brought down due to fires. Temperatures due to fire don't get hot enough for buildings to collapse, he says.

  * Jones points to a recent article in the journal New Civil Engineering that says WTC disaster investigators at NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology) "are refusing to show computer visualizations of the collapse of the Twin Towers despite calls from leading structural and fire engineers."

  Neither Jones nor other members of the Scholars group suggests who would have planted the explosives, but they argue that the devices could have been operated by remote control.

  Jones says he has received thousands of e-mails from people around the world who either support his ideas or think he's "nutty," and he still gets about 30 e-mails a day on the topic.

  He continues to do research on cold fusion, which he prefers to call metal-catalyzed fusion "to distinguish it from the claims" of former University of Utah chemistry professors B. Stanley Pons and Martin Fleishmann, "which we do not accept as verified." He reports that his metal-catalyzed fusion work is going well, with three scientific papers published last year.

  Jones will present a talk entitled "9/11 Revisited: Scientific and Ethical Questions" at Utah Valley State College at 7 p.m. on Wednesday, Feb. 1.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html


#2

Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T) is a non-partisan association of faculty, students, and scholars, in fields as diverse as history, science, military affairs, psychology, and philosophy, dedicated to exposing falsehoods and to revealing truths behind 9/11.

The members of S9/11T are encouraged to take an active role by devoting themselves to reporting the results of research on 9/11 to the nation and the world by means of lectures, articles, and other venues.

S9/11T members are convinced their research proves the current administration has been dishonest about what happened in New York and Washington, D.C.

These experts contend that books and articles by members and other associates have established that the World Trade Center was almost certainly brought down by controlled demolitions and that the available relevant evidence casts grave doubt on the government's official story about the attack on the Pentagon.

They believe that the government not only permitted 9/11 to occur but may even have orchestrated these events to facilitate its political agenda.
http://www.st911.org/


#3

tsb

it doesn't even deserve capital letters.

you've tried this rehash shit over and over. find something-anything credible and come back.

guess that means we won't be seeing much of you anymore

adios


#4

Doesn't seem very credible. I think if it even had a shred of credibility many more people who would love to bring the Bush administration down would be jumping on board.


#5

Notice I said 'intelligent' people want to know -- I already know you don't.

When you say, "find something credible", apparently you mean something other than information professional people are willing to risk their careers, reputations and more to bring to light. 50 plus scholars (and growing) including the former director of the "Star Wars" program....

"Ignorance is Knowledge" isn't that right?

"Radical" UCLA professors targeted by alumni group
January 18, 2006
An alumni group is offering students up to $100 per class to supply tapes and notes exposing University of California, Los Angeles professors who allegedly express extreme left-wing political views.

The year-old Bruin Alumni Association on its Web site says it is concerned about professors who use lecture time to press positions against President Bush, the military and multinational corporations, among other things.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2006/01/18/state/n025132S91.DTL&type=printable


#6

It sounds to me like they already have a predisposed bias. They say they believe it was a conspiracy. I wonder if they will confirm their belief.

And if they can't confirm their belief they can say the lack of supheana power limited their investigation.

The world trade center was 110 stories tall, that alone makes comparisons to buildings half it's height or less ridiculous. There are wind forces and structural forces that are way greater than a 30 story building in Madrid.

Let me get this straight,they found bits of molten steel in the basement where the Electrical service for the building comes in and they can figure no cause for it?

Even though these scholars don't sound too bright to me I have a strong feeling that these scholars will confirm their belief. You might be onto something here just the facts.


#7

JTF,

This is NOT a flame: Can you provide the link detailing how explosions were detected about one second before the planes hit? It was from the US Geological Survey, or something like that.

Other guys: JTF seems like a sincere guy trying to find the truth and share it with us. Cut him some slack. Remember, if he didn't care, he wouldn't give a shit about us at all and wouldn't post.


#8

How about some real facts wacko.How about blaming the fucking terrorists who actually killed the 3,000 people on 9-11.This really gets to me,people on the far-left say Bush was behind it,people on the far-right say Clintons policies on defence caused it,how about saying the truth and say extreme Muslim terrorist who hate America's support of Isreal and are hell bent into destroying the fucking world until were all praising Allah are responable for planing,hijacking,then piloting the damn jet-liners into buildings with thousands of innocent people are responable for 9-11.How about it.


#9

JTF believes in a vast global jewish conspiracy.

If it weren't so disgusting it would just be pathetic.

tsb


#10

Major TSB.

Face it jtf, we were attacked, and good prople died. Quit pissing on their memories with all this tinfoil hat shit.


#11

JTF is waaaaaaay off about most of his allegations. The other night, when I as at the meeting with the bankers, media-people, and half-lizards, we laughed about him for hours.

I wish there was a vast Jewish conspiracy; maybe I'd have better health coverage.


#12

The problem I have with all the conspiracy theorists is this. They have an alternate story for just about every news story that comes out. Most of them are written worse than a B movie.

There is so much of this crap out there that it is impossible to read through it all.

There is so much of it that real news stories get lost in the mix and people just start to tune them out.

If something that people are not aware of comes to light it has to overcome peoples suspicians that it is just another one of those goddamn conspiracy stories.

Conspiracy theorists are polarizing people. People like just the facts make people who are perhaps anti war or democrats look like they are kooks to average Fox watching republican which in turn makes in very difficult for more moderate democrats to get their message through.

So far from being harmless, people like him are doing damage rational debate.


#13

Yah, all the serious academics and scholars I know are clammoring to give speaches at Utah Valley State College.

From the Scholars for 9/11 Truth website, its list of members, their membership status and their qualifications.

http://st911.org/

[i]Currently, S9/11T has three categories of members: full members (FM), who have or had academic appointments or the equivalent; associate members (AM), who have backgrounds and interests relevant to 9/11 research; and student members (SM), who are concerned about these issues and want to pursue them; as follows:

Victoria Ashley (AM)

Degrees in architecture and physiological psychology, staff member of 911research.wtc7.net

Robert M. Bowman (FM)

Former Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" Space Defense Program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, a former senior Air Force Colonel with 101 combat missions, who is also a Catholic Archbishop

Len Bracken (AM)

Credentialed Journalist
Graduate of GWU's Elliott School of International Affairs
Author of "Shadow Government: 9/11 and State Terror"

Clare Brandabur (FM)

Assistant professor of English Literature at Dogus University in Istanbul

Jordan Brewster (AM)

Fred Burks (AM)

Served for many years as a language interpreter for presidents and other dignitaries. 
www.wanttoknow.info/911information

Frank Carmen (AM)

Physics Ph.D., BYU

Erik Champenois (SA)

Student, BYU

Harriet Cianci (FM)

Tunxis Community College, CT

Muhammad Columbo (AM)

Graduate Engineer electronics wide industrial experience

Scott Daniel (FM)

Physics and Astronomy, BYU

Lloyd DeMause (FM)

Director of The Institute for Psychohistory, President of the International Psychohistorical Association and Editor of The Journal of Psychohistory

Eric Douglas (AM)

New York City architect Chair of the Independent Peer Review Committe for the NIST WTC Reports at nistreview.org

Jeffrey Farrer (FM)

Physics/ Materials Science, BYU

James H. Fetzer (FM)

Distinguished McKnight University Professor of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota, Duluth, author or editor of more than 20 books and co-chair of S9/11T

Alex Floum (AM)

Attorney.

Marcus Ford (FM)

Humanities, NAU

David Gabbard (FM)

historical background

Daniele Ganser (FM)

Senior Researcher at the Center for Security Studies of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology

Kenyon Gibson (AM)

Former US Naval Intelligence, author of "Common Sense: A Study of the Bushes, the CIA and the Suspicions Regarding 9/11" (2003, in Arabic) and of "Hemp for Victory" (2006)

Gordon Ginn (AM)

Motives behind attack

Eric Hufschmid (AM)

Author of "Painful Questions" and "Painful Deceptions"

Don "Four Arrows" Jacobs (FM)

Former Dean of Education, Oglala Lakota College and currently professor of educational leadership at Fielding Graduate University and at Northern Arizona University

Steven Jones (FM)

Professor of Physics, Brigham Young University, co-chair of S9/11T and the creator of its home page and its forum

Nathan Jones (SA)

Student, Snow College, UT

Peter Kirsh (AM)

Forensic pathologist

Greg Lopreato (AM)

Senior Research Scientist

Wayne Madsen (AM)

Investigative Journalist, Columnist, and Author
Author of "America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II"
Washington, D.C.

David Masdon (AM)

Electical Engineering

Richard McGinn (FM)

Associate Professor Emeritus of Linguistics and Southeast Asian Studies, Ohio University. Former chair of Linguistics (10 years) and Director of Southeast Asian Studies (4 years) at Ohio University

John McMurtry, Ph.D. (FM)

Professor of Philosophy, University Professor Emeritus elect University of Guelph, and Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada

Peter Meyer (AM)

Computational physics, computer programmer, software developer, creator of the Serendipity web site (www.serendipity.li) and of the Hermetic Systems web site (www.hermetic.ch)

Ralph Omholt (AM)

Technical writer

Matthew Orr (FM)

Population Biology, Evolution and Ecology, University of Oregon "Is the War on Terror Fraudulent?"

Don Paul (AM)

Author of "9/11:Facing Our Fascist State" (2002) and co-author with Jim Hoffman of "9/11: Great Crimes, a Greater Cover-up" (2003) and "Waking Up from Our Nightmare: The 9/11/01 Crimes in New York City" (2004)

Benjamin Pritchard (AM)

Software Engineer
911TruthEmergence.com

Diana Ralph (FM)

Associate Professor Carleton University School of Social Work. Author of Work and Madness: The Rise of Community Psychiatry

Kevin Ryan (FM)

Former Site Manager Environmental Health Laboratories Underwriters Laboratory

Morgan Reynolds (FM)

Texas A & M Professor Emeritus of Economics, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor for President George W. Bush, and former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis

Karen Rice (FM)

Associate Professor, Western Washington University Libraries

Kevin Ryan (AM)

Former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters Laboratories

Nila Sagedevan (AM)

Leonard Spencer (AM)

Twin Towers Attack, The Pentagon Attack, www.serendipity.li

Morgan Stack (FM)

Accounting, Finance & Information Systems, University College Cork (UCC), Ireland. Co-founder of the Irish 9/11 Truth Movement

Harry Stottle (AM)

Philosopher, Author, Computer Consultant, Inventor. IT Director of the Codel Project. Specialist in authentication and related issues.

Webster Griffin Tarpley (FM)

President, Washington Grove Institute Government-sponsored terror

Andreas Von Buelow (FM)

Former assistant German defense minister, director of the German Secret Service, minister for research and technology, and member of Parliament for 25 years

Lon Waters (FM)

High performance computing Software engineering Sandia National Laboratory

Carl Weis (FM)

Associate Professor of Creative Arts, Siena College,  retired

Ian Woods (FM)

Publisher and Editor of Global Outlook (the Magazine of 9/11 Truth); president of S.I.F.T. - Skeptics Inquiry For Truth (aka 911inquiry.org)  [/i]

A) How on earth can most of these people seriously be considered scholars? They are community college professors, authors, and employees of random organizations and websites.

B) How is the background of most of these suposed scholars relevant, aside from authoring some conspiracy theory books?

I would suggest that those who may have a legitimate claim to be scholars are too committed to their treasured models that they claim proove that the towers could not have collapsed on their own. There is also the related issue that there were no measurements taken (temperature, etc.) of the kind that are needed to support their claims, as such these figures can only be estimated.

People like these give real scholars and acadmeics a bad name.


#14

Absolutely. It is almost as if it was part of a plan to suppress rational debate...


#15

I guess if we're questioning credibility, maybe we should establish a "credibility benchmark" from the source of the official story...

"So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you...I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
GWB - March 13, 2002

"Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those ex-a-gger-ations."
GWB - Oct 13, 2004

"All I would ask them to do is listen to the words of Osama bin Laden and take him seriously. When he says he's going to hurt the American people again, or try to, he means it. I take it seriously, and the people of NSA take it seriously."
GWB - Jan 25, 2006

Inspectors Call U.S. Tips 'Garbage'
Feb. 20, 2003
In fact, the U.S. claim that Iraq is developing missiles that could hit its neighbors - or U.S. troops in the region, or even Israel - is just one of the claims coming from Washington that inspectors here are finding increasingly unbelievable. The inspectors have become so frustrated trying to chase down unspecific or ambiguous U.S. leads that they've begun to express that anger privately in no uncertain terms.

Rumsfeld foresees swift Iraq war
BBC
7 February, 2003
"It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months," he said, speaking at the American air base at Aviano, in northern Italy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2738089.stm

What would war with Iraq cost?
CNN
January 2, 2003
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House is downplaying published reports of an estimated $50 billion to $60 billion price tag for a war with Iraq.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/01/sproject.irq.war.cost/

Iraq war could cost US over $2 trillion
The Guardian
January 7, 2006
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1681119,00.html

Paula Zahn w/FEMA Director Mike Brown
Paula Zahn: Sir, you're not telling me, you're not telling me you just learned that the folks at the convention center didn't have food and water until today did you? You had no idea they were completely cut off?

FEMA's Brown: Paula, the federal government did not even know about the convention center people until today.

White House Was Told Hurricane Posed Danger
NYT
January 24, 2006
A Homeland Security Department report submitted to the White House at 1:47 a.m. on Aug. 29, hours before the storm hit, said, "Any storm rated Category 4 or greater will likely lead to severe flooding and/or levee breaching."

"I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees," Mr. Bush said in a television interview on Sept. 1. "Now we're having to deal with it, and will."
http://tinyurl.com/cajp9

White House Declines to Provide Storm Papers
NYT
January 25, 2006
WASHINGTON, Jan. 24 - The Bush administration, citing the confidentiality of executive branch communications, said Tuesday that it did not plan to turn over certain documents about Hurricane Katrina or make senior White House officials available for sworn testimony before two Congressional committees investigating the storm response.
http://tinyurl.com/7gyzh

Chertoff's Reading Habits
On Sunday, DHS chief Michael Chertoff told "Meet the Press's" Tim Russert that one reason for the delay in getting federal aid to Katrina victims was that "everyone" thought the crisis had passed when the storm left: "I remember on Tuesday morning picking up newspapers and I saw headlines, 'New Orleans Dodged The Bullet.'
http://www.wonkette.com/politics/chertoffs-reading-habits-123841.php

Just so everyone's clear on the issue of "credibility".


#16

Thanks for the support H - you know I don't do this just for the accolades : )

I think this is what you were referring to:
Seismic Waves Generated by Aircraft Impacts and Building Collapses at World Trade Center, New York City
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/seismic/WTC_LDEO_KIM.htm

It documents and compares the measured seismic activity of the initial impacts and explosions with the seismic activity of the collapses.

The actual impacts of the planes hitting the towers barely registered on the seismograph but the collapses registered with very large spikes at the BEGINNING and lessened through the duration of the collapse.

The oddity being that if the seismograph was truely measuring the collapse of the buildings - then the graphs should have been ASCENDING with the spikes at the END when the buildings hit the ground.

Not to mention one of the stations to record the collapses was 428 km (265 miles) away.


#17

Nice, a credible source. I'll listen to the USGS any day, some community college teacher (I stop short of calling them professors as most do not have Ph.D.'s) on the other hand...


#18

JTF,
So what you're saying is our government is the enemy,not Al-Queda?Dude,get off the shrooms.Our Pres. isn't perfect,none are,but to say he was the mastermind behind 9-11 and not the terrorist is just insane.You're just as bad as those right-wing loonies who said Clinton waged the dog in Iraqi and Bosnia to avoid the Lewinsky scandal.

Hey,did Bush get his croonies to set expolsives on levees to flood out the blacks in New Orleans?Or what about Reagan,he pressured NASA to rush it's space program,so that caused the Challenger to explode.Clinton hired McVeigh to bomb the Fed.building in OKC to take the heat off of him for screwing up the Waco ordeal.Man,I don't even know why I'm glorifing your babbeling with this post.


#19

Here's some real facts: Every STEEL load bearing support member in this STEEL FRAMED skyscraper (WTC 7) simultaneously failed and collapsed symmetrically straight down into a pile of scrap just like the other towers but wasn't even hit by a fuel laden jet. Apparently this was caused by a fire that was hardly even visible from the outside.

Sometimes all you need is your own eyes and a little common sense.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/WTC7_Collapse.wmv


#20

What's with the Jew stuff? I don't have a problem with Jews, I have a problem with Israel. Do you also think all Italians are Catholic?

You would have no problem calling the French - "cheese eating surrender monkeys" but defend Israel as if somehow we derive some huge benefit from their spying on us, taking billions of our tax dollars and then selling our advanced weapons technology to China.

I have a feeling you could give two shits about Israel if you didn't think Jesus needed a spot to land so he could take you back in his spaceship.