[quote]cavemansam wrote:
example he does squats goes to practice football or band marching legs are sore it will interfere with on field practice
you either have to time recovery or control effort so that strength training or conditioning does not interfere with on field performace everybody is different
out of season you can trial and error schedule learn recovery times and effort[/quote]
Thanks cavemansam. You are awesome with the help. I will take it all under advisement.
[quote]WhoDey wrote:
During this discussion you haven’t mentioned anything about your son’s motivation. If your son is okay with his load and is the one asking to squeeze in some lifting, I would go for it with the mindset of being adaptable (adjusting weight lifting and frequency as needed). If this is more your idea, I would be hesitant to add more to his already full plate.[/quote]
Thanks WhoDey.
This is all my son’s wish list. If I had my way he’d be riding bulls, doggin’ steers, and chasing girls like I did in high school. But it’s his life and he has to make his own way. My older son doesn’t lift or play sports and it makes no difference to me. I originally told him he’d have to pick Band or Football, but he was persistent and even talked to the football coach and band director to make sure it was possible. As far as lifting goes, he likes it more than football and band. He said if the school had a powerlifting team he’d try that instead of football. If I had to order his likes, I’d say (1) lifting, (2) football, (3) band, (4) School,(5) video games, (6) girls, and (7) Boy Scouts. School and Scouts are the only two things I “make” him do.
[quote]More Squat wrote:
So I’m thinking…
Friday: week 1
Squat 5s Pro
Bench 5s Pro
DB Row 4 x 7 reps
Friday: week 2
Deadlift 5s Pro
Press 5s Pro
Pulldown 4 x 10 reps
This may not be optimum, but we don’t need optimum. It would hopefully just keep him slowly progressing until after the season when he can go back to a regular schedule.[/quote]
You are getting a full body deal with this so that should be doable. Jim did bring up a good point about 7 days a week. I didn’t think about that originally. Hopefully the time he did put in during the offseason will be a big carryover into his season.
When does this kid have time to be a kid?
Anyway, when I was in highschool and played football we had the option to use our recess/gym class to lift instead of do what everyone else is doing. Look into that.
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
When does this kid have time to be a kid? [/quote]
Football and Band are not year-round activities. He’s busy as hell for four months out of the year. That leaves eight months of “being a kid”. I don’t understand this whole back-lash everybody is giving me. Did every other high school kid in America just hang out, smoke dope, and play X Box for four years? Is that more acceptable to this crowd? Did no other father help introduce his kid to lifting weights? Are the Liberal police going to come knock on my door because I allow my son to exceed the standard daily allowance of awesomeness? Dang, when did Marching Band, Football, and Lifting Weights become “not kid friendly?” Maybe we all need to expect a little more from today’s youth?
Talking with his coaches, they expect the Freshman players to work out on their own Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Next year, when they are on the JV team, they will have lifting in the morning before school. I’m sure there are many parents of these freshman players that will just drop Little Johnny off at the gym for an hour on these days and have him “Go For It”. At least I came here looking for “good” advice and want to help my son, and all I get is crap for it. At least a helpful chap over at EliteFTS gave me some actual advice, I think I’ll just take that and run with it. I’m done with this thread.
[quote]More Squat wrote:
[quote]JFG wrote:
Wow. Talk about not getting it.
Cut a weekday activity, not the work out.
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Which weekday activity would you like to see him cut; School? Homework? Band? Football? Boy Scouts?
Please tell me which one of these items you deem less important. Then I’ll be sure to tell my kid that he has to drop something he loves because some guy on the internet said squatting was way more important.
Anybody else that wants to give some real advice and actually help, I’m all ears.
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I would honestly cut out band. If he wants to play varsity football eventually, then there is no way he can do band at the same time. He might enjoy doing both now, but he will eventually be forced to choose between the two anyway. Might as well cut out band now, so he can put his focus into getting better at football. Lifting weights will help that pursuit, not detract from it. This is coming from someone who played football from 8th to 12th grade. Football will teach your kid toughness and prepare him for life, so hopefully he’s tough enough to choose football rather than marching band.
This popped up on my unread list so I figured I’d update it.
My son had a very busy season, that’s for sure. He did all the activities he wanted and we adjusted the workouts down accordingly. He basically did Squats 5s Pro, Bench 5s Pro, Rows and core work one day a week. He maintained his strength and we increased the food A LOT. He played every offensive down as the starting strong tackle, and he played several defensive downs as a backup nose. He also competed in field competitions with the marching band on the weekends, went camping with the boy scouts, and maintained all As for his first semester of high school.
Is he going to do this again next year? Hell no. He was pretty wiped out by the end of it. He was super happy that he had the chance to try it but figures it was just too much. I agree, but I’m glad I gave him the chance to try it. When compared to the stupid stuff I tried as a teen, this ranks as pretty awesome.
Sadly, he will not be playing football next year. He went through a process of ranking his activities and football came in third. His first love is weight training, then music/band, and then football. So, he’s continuing with a complete 5/3/1 program and he will just be the biggest and strongest kid in the marching band. Yes, I will miss football, but I’m proud of him for making tough choices and seeing them through.
Didn’t all of us tell you what was going to happen (as highlighted in the last two paragraphs)? Jesus control freak parents like you piss me off. If you want to relive your glory days (or whatever) then get in shape yourself and do it.
Haha. I was waiting for the interweb disapproval. So, let’s look at what actually happened then.
He won a starting spot on a championship level football team.
He maintained straight As
He almost finished his Eagle Scout rank
He was part of a state level marching band and had a blast
He maintained all his body weight and most of his strength
Ya, sounds like a horrible experience. Glad I don’t make it a habit to listen to the internet masses. And since you are reading impaired, let me say it again, I NEVER played football and my other son isn’t into sports at all. I don’t force my kids to do anything outside of church, family and school. Everything he did was HIS choice.I’m sure there are kids that Mr. Wendler has trained that have other interests outside of football and weight training. Do you think he tells them that music and school are stupid and they should quit to pursue a career in football and weight training? I’d certainly hope not. I’m betting he himself played football, weight trained, played guitar, chased tail, and did all kinds of assorted teen sillyness.
I’m done answering these silly posts.
More_Squat:
For what it’s worth, I entirely disagree with Aero’s assessment (and if you’ve read many of Aero’s posts elsewhere, you’ll realize…well, just go read some of his posts).
Do I think your son was overextended a little bit? Yes, probably. But I think you handled it the right way - after the busy season, your son took stock of his experience, decided that it was too much, ranked the activities, and figured out which he wants to pursue. That’s exactly how it should work. He had a chance to taste a bunch of different things and will now direct his energies into those he wants to pursue the most.
Thanks, I’m glad somebody understands.
I didn’t go back reread this whole thread,but i vaguely remember it from before. It sounds like your son is kicking high schools ass. Screw the naysayers.
Oh, and for what it’s worth: if he swings back into the idea of playing football next fall (or any sport), I found that the whole concept of getting 80 percent of the gains from the first 20 percent of the work was helpful - two days a week (or even ONE) was still enough for some level of personal satisfaction and maintenance of strength, and at his age he might well keep making some gains doing that. In high school we had the option to take weight training in lieu of traditional PE class, but in college I was on my own (our football team had a very mild amount of time dedicated to strength training in-season, just a couple of light “circuit” sessions a week) and felt that I did fairly well by doing a heavy-ish bench workout on Sundays (day after game) and then a “whatever I could handle” lower-body workout early on Wednesday mornings before going to class. Given your kid’s typical week, I probably would have opted for a Sunday squat workout (i.e. if you go to church in the morning, get a nice breakfast afterwards and have a good father-son lift; always did this with my dad) and then maybe a Wednesday-morning bench session.