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Scary Dairy

I want to take supplemental protein, but I’ve got a dairy allergy. Doesn’t that pretty well hose me in this category?!?

I think it’s generally accepted that soy isn’t a good idea; you can’t find egg protein as far as I know; and whey/milk will rip up my GI tract.

Any ideas? Or does anybody know a reasonably priced egg source?

(I can’t be the only one with this issue…)

Do you truly have an allergy to dairy? or an intolerance to lactose? If you are lactose intolerant and whey protein sets you off, try supplemental enzymes (Lactaid, Fast Food Enzymes, etc.) when you use dairy. Make sure the enzyme supplement contains lactase. That’s the enzyme for lactose intolerance. If you’re allergic to milk proteins, I’d try egg protein supplements, which are available. Hopefully you’re not allergic to egg protein.

I second figuring out exactly what it is in the dairy you’re allergic to, if it is a true allergy. It may free up your options a bit more.

-Dan

Hmm, I think you might miss out on the convenience factor of powdered proteins, but if you keep things like beef and turkey jerkey handy (those that don’t have a lot of sugar) they do last forever and travel well.

As mentioned above though, get the details of your issue figured out… because you may have some avenues open to you still.

Yes, experiment. But if whey and casein do truly cause problems, you can always use egg protein. It may not be quite as good as hydroloyzed whey PWO or Grow! at other times, but you’ll still be able to achieve physique goals and good health without them.

On the other side of the topic when it comes to your saying that Soy is generally a bad idea, as far as your milk substitute goes for drinking/any meals you could always get rice milk(Rice Dream) its not great but it aint bad either…least that gives ya somethin to drink!

[quote]bikemike wrote:
Do you truly have an allergy to dairy? or an intolerance to lactose? If you are lactose intolerant and whey protein sets you off, try supplemental enzymes (Lactaid, Fast Food Enzymes, etc.) when you use dairy. Make sure the enzyme supplement contains lactase. That’s the enzyme for lactose intolerance. If you’re allergic to milk proteins, I’d try egg protein supplements, which are available. Hopefully you’re not allergic to egg protein.[/quote]

I am almost positive that I have a dairy allergy for a variety of reasons including the fact that 1) I definitely had dairy allergies as a child and “outgrew” them but then got zapped later and 2) don’t have the typical lactose intolerance symptoms. My #1 symptom is the worst acid heartburn you can imagine which, from what I understand, is not part of LI. It will rip up my intestines a little but the worst symptom by far is stomach-related.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Hmm, I think you might miss out on the convenience factor of powdered proteins, but if you keep things like beef and turkey jerkey handy (those that don’t have a lot of sugar) they do last forever and travel well.

As mentioned above though, get the details of your issue figured out… because you may have some avenues open to you still.[/quote]

That’s a great idea, but here’s my question: don’t these always have a ton of salt? I don’t want to pickle myself…

[quote]Haramdar wrote:
On the other side of the topic when it comes to your saying that Soy is generally a bad idea, as far as your milk substitute goes for drinking/any meals you could always get rice milk(Rice Dream) its not great but it aint bad either…least that gives ya somethin to drink! [/quote]

Thx. Carbs isn’t too much my worry, though - it’s protein that I struggle with gettign enough of. I swear I eat a whole chicken every day.

Unless you have high blood pressure or something, salt isn’t necessarily much of an issue.

That’s my own take, thinking it is a similar issue to the fact that most of the population still thinks fats are bad for you.

If anyone out there wants to educate me on the dangers of reasonable salt consumption for healthy individuals, feel free.

[quote]Whisper9999 wrote:
bikemike wrote:
Do you truly have an allergy to dairy? or an intolerance to lactose? If you are lactose intolerant and whey protein sets you off, try supplemental enzymes (Lactaid, Fast Food Enzymes, etc.) when you use dairy. Make sure the enzyme supplement contains lactase. That’s the enzyme for lactose intolerance. If you’re allergic to milk proteins, I’d try egg protein supplements, which are available. Hopefully you’re not allergic to egg protein.

I am almost positive that I have a dairy allergy for a variety of reasons including the fact that 1) I definitely had dairy allergies as a child and “outgrew” them but then got zapped later and 2) don’t have the typical lactose intolerance symptoms. My #1 symptom is the worst acid heartburn you can imagine which, from what I understand, is not part of LI. It will rip up my intestines a little but the worst symptom by far is stomach-related.[/quote]

Those are not allergy symptoms. You sound like you are lactose intolerant. They have lactose free milk.

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
I second figuring out exactly what it is in the dairy you’re allergic to, if it is a true allergy. It may free up your options a bit more.

-Dan [/quote]

Another thing: in college I was plagued by sinus infections - one nasty one after the other. I drastically cut back on dairy and it completely eliminated them. Years later I got back on dairy (mostly in baked goods, bread, etc.) and got the nasty acid reflux symptom…

[quote]Whisper9999 wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
I second figuring out exactly what it is in the dairy you’re allergic to, if it is a true allergy. It may free up your options a bit more.

-Dan

Another thing: in college I was plagued by sinus infections - one nasty one after the other. I drastically cut back on dairy and it completely eliminated them. Years later I got back on dairy (mostly in baked goods, bread, etc.) and got the nasty acid reflux symptom…

[/quote]

It sounds like you are blaming any symptoms you get on milk. If this were allergy related, you would still be getting allergy symptoms. Because you get a cold, it doesn’t mean that a certain type of food caused your cold. I ate some salmon once and got a headache the same day. Did the salmon cause the headache?

Yes, be wary of dairy.

Its been associated in many studies with gangrene, necrotizing fasciatis, gout, emphysema, non-hodgkin lymphoma, schizotypal personality disorder and of course, penile retraction.

Specialists such as Dr.Merola have been trying to educate the population for years on the Diary Fallacy.

Its good that you’ve linked your dairy consumption with your sinus infections, its one of the first signs showing your body is not accepting this foreign substance. But be wary, dairy might not be the only culprit, you should look into your aspartame consumption because you could be poisoining your body unknowingly.

You should consider supplementing with fenugreek and getting some milkthisle to detoxify your liver.

AlexH.
Spreadin’ the Truth.

[quote]Dandalex wrote:
Yes, be wary of dairy.

Its been associated in many studies with gangrene, necrotizing fasciatis, gout, emphysema, non-hodgkin lymphoma, schizotypal personality disorder and of course, penile retraction.

Specialists such as Dr.Merola (www.mercola.com) have been trying to educate the population for years on the Diary Fallacy.

Its good that you’ve linked your dairy consumption with your sinus infections, its one of the first signs showing your body is not accepting this foreign substance. But be wary, dairy might not be the only culprit, you should look into your aspartame consumption because you could be poisoining your body unknowingly.

You should consider supplementing with fenugreek and getting some milkthisle to detoxify your liver.

AlexH.
Spreadin’ the Truth.[/quote]

You’ll never find a more anti-aspartame person than myself, but that’s a long story…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Whisper9999 wrote:
bikemike wrote:
Do you truly have an allergy to dairy? or an intolerance to lactose? If you are lactose intolerant and whey protein sets you off, try supplemental enzymes (Lactaid, Fast Food Enzymes, etc.) when you use dairy. Make sure the enzyme supplement contains lactase. That’s the enzyme for lactose intolerance. If you’re allergic to milk proteins, I’d try egg protein supplements, which are available. Hopefully you’re not allergic to egg protein.

I am almost positive that I have a dairy allergy for a variety of reasons including the fact that 1) I definitely had dairy allergies as a child and “outgrew” them but then got zapped later and 2) don’t have the typical lactose intolerance symptoms. My #1 symptom is the worst acid heartburn you can imagine which, from what I understand, is not part of LI. It will rip up my intestines a little but the worst symptom by far is stomach-related.

Those are not allergy symptoms. You sound like you are lactose intolerant. They have lactose free milk.[/quote]

Well, here’s another few reasons I think I have it: 1) my son has a severe dairy allergy and I’ve had to drive him twice to the hospital as he is going into anaphylactic shock and 2) I got the stomach acid symptoms when I would eat even just baked goods that had a relatively small amount of whey/milk in them.

But I do have to admit that my son has the classic allergy symptoms and not me. And I’m curious: maybe I’ll have some milk with Lactaid and see what happens to me…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Whisper9999 wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
I second figuring out exactly what it is in the dairy you’re allergic to, if it is a true allergy. It may free up your options a bit more.

-Dan

Another thing: in college I was plagued by sinus infections - one nasty one after the other. I drastically cut back on dairy and it completely eliminated them. Years later I got back on dairy (mostly in baked goods, bread, etc.) and got the nasty acid reflux symptom…

It sounds like you are blaming any symptoms you get on milk. If this were allergy related, you would still be getting allergy symptoms. Because you get a cold, it doesn’t mean that a certain type of food caused your cold. I ate some salmon once and got a headache the same day. Did the salmon cause the headache? [/quote]

I admit that our lives are very complex and it’s hard to know for sure. But eliminating dairy was the only major life change that I made - and ##poof##!! - the sinus headaches went away.

But of course it could have been some other unknown factor…