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Save My Marriage. Low T/High Estrogen

Hey all. Not sure if this is the right forum or not. Apologize if needs to go elsewhere. If so, let me know and I will cut/paste.

Gonna be as to the point as I can, I know we’re all busy :slight_smile:

Ok- so:

Low T blood tests came back a year ago (in the 150 range). Mood and ambition low often and sex drive never that strong. All those things together has made married life tough. Me and the wife’s sex life is in the toilet as I like sex but I just don’t have the super hunger for it, the strong drive. The drive is there but my wife is in her 30’s and her sex drive is thru the roof.

It’s killing that part of our relationship…she’s talking divorce as this has been going on for several years. Don’t blame her but I’m not looking to be like this- with or without her- for life. I want a stronger sex drive! :slight_smile:

I did injections for a few months but each time- after a few days- they seemed to wear off, so been on Androgel (first pak, now pump) for the last 8 months. I am up to 10 pumps/day which=12.5 grams.

On the Androgel, mood us is up, ambition is up, sex drive is a bit higher. But overall, the drive still feels lower than I would like. Recent readings put me around 350 (doc moved me up to 12.5g on the gel to get it a bit higher).

Ok, so my questions (and please, even if you can just help me with one of these, I would so appreciate a response…thanks!):

1- I read stuff about high estrogen levels and there is something about that that feels right to me, like I could have high estrogen and that could be part of my issues. I asked my endo about it and he said they can’t even test for that. But when I explore this board, it seems they can?!?

Why would a doc tell someone they don’t test E? Are most endos against it? And what is the name of the test? Could having high E cause low sex drive?

2- Applying androgel: I need 10 pumps and I’m fairly hairy so running out of places :slight_smile: I read that multiple swabs in the same area is useless as it can’t all absorb in, layer over layer. Is this correct? I get the white residue on my hands and sometimes my arms and I assume it’s cause I’m over applying in the same area…altho I have no clue what to do about my hands as they are what I use to apply it and it naturally gets on them, more than it would absorb.

3- If it is correct, besides getting it on my arms and abs, if I did under my neck, upper back/shoulder area, tops of feet, would this be ok? The androgel literature just says abds and arms so I’ve been worried about applying anywhere else. The doc did say behind the knees but I got hair there too.

4- Been on Androgel for 8 months and now as divorce possibly looms, I am thinking I may wanna have more kids one day if I remarry. Will Androgel make this impossible and is it too late (after 8 months) to freeze some sperm now if I plan on being on androgel for the long hall?

Thanks ya’ll. I know this is kind of long but I am so glad to have found this forum and hope some of ya’ll with similar experiences can help.

Appreciate it! Take care-

Spin

[quote]spin_999 wrote:

1- I read stuff about high estrogen levels and there is something about that that feels right to me, like I could have high estrogen and that could be part of my issues. I asked my endo about it and he said they can’t even test for that. But when I explore this board, it seems they can?!?[/quote]

This is a straight up lie. E2 is a common test for men.

You need to ask your doctor why he is lying to you.

Yes.

The Androgel SHOULD shut down your testicles if it is working correctly. For most guys this leads to testicular atrophy and eventual sterility, although there are some experts who say that hCG can recover function even after years. Personally, I wouldn’t want to risk it so I use hCG as a regular part of my therapy. Testosterone isn’t the only hormone your testicles produce and most guys feel much better on T + AI + hCG. Time and again we see that testosterone by itself is a bad TRT protocol.

You’re in a tough situation and it’s going to take serious effort on your part to dig yourself out of it. Unless you’re willing to self-medicate, the first thing you need to do is get rid of your doctor. He’s fucking you over and you’re paying him to do it.

Hey Happy are ALL these injectalbse?
The T+AI+HCG, I know T can be but what are the others?

The thought of injecting makes me feel…unwell as it is.

I will chime in here as I have gone through a similar problem with my wife, with some major differnces (we’ve been married over 20 years and her sex drive isnt so great). But testicular failure ruined the sex we had and she took it personally as me not finding her attractive (very untrue).
I started T replacement (with injectible T cypionate) and soon all was great. It didnt last, I didnt pay enough attention to warnings all over this site about estrogen and so I was in high estrogen misery with spaghetti for a johnson. Got on adex and a month later things were OK, but again the several times of poor performance were not well received by the wife, and these things play mind games with your performance even once you get your hormones leveled out.
I wish I could tell you everything is well now but I cant just yet. I have also found out many women’s sex drive is connected to the cash flow of their husbands. Your wife’s is apparantly not. I will tell you that I have been using lots of herbals for male performance and prostate health as well and these have added just a little to the HRT. Finding the right dose and T levels for me has been crucial. I do very well with T about 800-900 and steady there, with E about 25.
To answer your question, T is best delivered injectible, HCG is injectible (subcutaneously-shallow) and the AI of choice, arimidex, is a pill). And in your case the HCG is crucial because of your fertility issues.
I will add that in a relationship, sexual compatibility is crucial, but if it is a just a matter of frequency, somebody is not being understanding enough and deeper questions need to be asked about what is really inbetween the couple. This is not just from my personal experience but my professional as well (I’m a shrink.) Doc

lots of good advice so far. All I have to say is get a new doctor and stay away from Endo’s and Urologigist. I am not saying all are bad for HRT but from what I’ve read so far and have seen for myself most are not good. The Androgel doesn’t work for alot of men and did not work for me. And if you are applying that much then its time to inject. Also you need to have your estrogen checked this is very important. You also need HCG. so

T-CYP
Armidex
HCG

Most men that feel great are doing these 3 meds for HRT.

[quote]Steve8867 wrote:
Hey Happy are ALL these injectalbse?
The T+AI+HCG, I know T can be but what are the others?

The thought of injecting makes me feel…unwell as it is.[/quote]

Not Happydog, but I can answer these fairly accurately.

The T he can still get through the Androgel, but at ten pumps injecting would likely be easier. The OP said after a few days it ‘wore off’, which is exactly what you’d expect depending on the Test ester. Even with enanthate (longest lasting ester), it would be ebbing after three days. Typically you’d inject every third day to maintain stable T levels – stable T levels is what we’re after.

AI would be Arimidex or something similar, which is oral. It can be acquired as a research chemical, which, were I the OP, I’d do RIGHT NOW and start taking 0.25 mg every day.

hCG is an injectable, but is injected subcutaneously and with an insulin pin. Very simple, very easy. hCG will also suppress normal T production over time, so it wouldn’t be something you’d likely run indefinitely (like T and maybe adex). But you would likely want to use it to kick-start the nards.

You may want to dig around in the Steroids forum a bit, particularly the newbie threads stickied at the top.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: just saw a couple of others already answered – sorry for the duplication, but take it as an exhortation to action. Also, consider some Tadalafil Citrate (Cialis, avail as a research chem). Be well, guys.

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Have they told you why you have low testosterone? Have they checked other hormones like HGH, thyroid, and cortisol levels?