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Save Me Big Brother...

…from those evil incandescent bulbs!

http://www.usnews.com/articles/business/economy/2007/12/19/faq-the-end-of-the-light-bulb-as-we-know-it.html?PageNr=1

Another sign of freedom on the march.

mike

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
…from those evil incandescent bulbs!

http://www.usnews.com/articles/business/economy/2007/12/19/faq-the-end-of-the-light-bulb-as-we-know-it.html?PageNr=1

Another sign of freedom on the march.

mike[/quote]

Thank God the government is here to save us yokels from ourselves!

Where’s JTF to point out that the obvious governmental conspiracy to give us all mercury poisoning…?

…Lol.

I wonder if Anon could raid the Government?

I smell Epic Win, or, at the very least, Epic, EPIC Failure.

Okay, here’s how an intelligent and articulate person would put this:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317708,00.html

Unfortunately, I’m rapidly passing the give a damn point and my answer is a little less articulate.

Who the fuck do they think they are?! I already own CFLs, but no more. I will never buy a light bulb in the United States again. I wish we all had the balls to do it, but we don’t. I’m glad I joined the military. But let me tell you, I’m not fighting for you, you fucking cowards. You hippocrites that sit on your ass and watch TV and vote in socialists and authoritarians. You people that cry about your health care while you stuff your fat face with twinkies and hog up all the parking with your silly blue placards. You vote for people that tell me what lightbulbs I can own, or what guns I can own, or that I have to get my dog fixed unless I get your permission. Fuck you. I fight to give other people a chance to be free. You squandered yours and I won’t defend you until you grow a set and start defending yourself. You want to vote for universal health care? You want to vote for wiretaps to keep you safe? You like your random DUI checkpoints? Fuck off with it. I don’t fight for you. I spit on you.

But here’s the rub: I’m a liar. I’d fight for you. I’d die for you. I’m a goddamn enabler for this bullshit because I won’t let you be overtaken by this damned monster you’ve created. I’m part of the damn problem.

mike

You know, when I first heard about this, it was a quick news-bite on the BBC. I thought “Surely that’s not right,” and went on with my day. Now, the more I think about it, the madder I get…

[quote]nephorm wrote:
You know, when I first heard about this, it was a quick news-bite on the BBC. I thought “Surely that’s not right,” and went on with my day. Now, the more I think about it, the madder I get…[/quote]

Exact same thing happened to me, except I saw it in some paper they were handing out at the front desk of my high school. Thought it was a joke… haha.

Anon. Raid. Congress.

Anyone up for invoking their personal army? PLeeeeeez?

Every light bulb in my apartment except one is a CFL. (3 way bulb.) They have paid for themselves, and then some.

But while I chose this, I do not want the government telling me what to buy. I am also getting annoyed at the government micromanaging our fucking lives.

I have severely reduced the amount of deep fat fried food I eat. I do not need the government telling me to do this.

It is this interference in my own life that peppers my opinions of the government.

They cant balance a budget, and then tell me im not smart enough to manage a privatized socialism security account.

They get in the way of any drilling for oil, prevent the building of refineries so we have to import half our gas pre-refined, mandate that ever freaken State has a different formulation of gas so half the time the refineries are down to switch from one type to another, then wonder why oil is so high priced.

Meetings on capital hill about Steroids in Baseball. IT’S JUST A FUCKING GAME, GET OVER IT. Why no meetings over excessive pine tar on bats?

Anyone remember why we had that Revolutionary War?

The government wants to hold your dick when your pissing too, just so you dont shake it too much at the end.

As far as it goes, this is far less intrusive on your life than mandatory seatbelt laws. Not that I am for this, but essentially this is just going to make it so you can’t buy these types of bulbs anymore. Kind of like how you can’t buy leaded gasoline anymore.

On the scale of things that get me fired up, RICO property seizures and the IRS holding people guilty until proven innocent are on one side, and leaded gasoline and incandescent light bulb bans are on the other.

I fucking hate CFLs… they have a nasty dull glow compared to incadescents… you can’t even grow good weed with them either

[quote]dk44 wrote:
The government wants to hold your dick when your pissing too, just so you dont shake it too much at the end.[/quote]

At a certain point you’re just playing with yourself.

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
But let me tell you, I’m not fighting for you, you fucking cowards. You hippocrites that sit on your ass and watch TV and vote in socialists and authoritarians. You people that cry about your health care while you stuff your fat face with twinkies and hog up all the parking with your silly blue placards. You vote for people that tell me what lightbulbs I can own, or what guns I can own, or that I have to get my dog fixed unless I get your permission. Fuck you. I fight to give other people a chance to be free. You squandered yours and I won’t defend you until you grow a set and start defending yourself. You want to vote for universal health care? You want to vote for wiretaps to keep you safe? You like your random DUI checkpoints? Fuck off with it. I don’t fight for you. I spit on you.

But here’s the rub: I’m a liar. I’d fight for you. I’d die for you. I’m a goddamn enabler for this bullshit because I won’t let you be overtaken by this damned monster you’ve created. I’m part of the damn problem.

mike[/quote]

“If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, and you saw that the more he tried to hold the world up, the more the world bore down upon him — what would you tell him to do?”

“I don’t know. What could he do? What would YOU tell him?”

“To shrug.”

“This is the strike of the men of the mind, Miss Taggart. This is the mind on strike.”

I strongly suspect that some of you here will be joining me on strike soon. Welcome.

Now, make sure to take jobs where not one creative thought of yours will ever be of help to the looters and bureaucrats. Function at a level to provide for yourself and family but don’t try to get rich or invent something (the latter is fine if you don’t share with society). If you’re already well-off, that’s fine just don’t try to turn 2 million into 20 (where you have to give a huge chunk to a robber government).

Good luck and welcome into the fight.

The article was somewhat vague on the mechanism, as have been all that I’ve seen. It sounds like they’re probably establishing a minimum efficiency standard for bulbs used for residential lighting in one would assume a certain range of wattages or light outputs. Is this right?

If this is the right assessment, then it would be similar to the car fuel economy standards.

From a philosophical standpoint, I think is the government wants to promote certain behaviors it’s preferable to work first through combinations of taxes and subsidies to nudge the market voluntarily in the preferred direction. Unfortunately though taxes and subsidies tend to take on a life of their own with the whole regulatory capture issue.
Eliminating the implicit and explicit subsidies the petroleum industry receives would have a tremendous impact on the usage rates of various forms of energy. It would be political suicide though and so we get lightbulb bans instead since manufacturers won’t complain much.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
As far as it goes, this is far less intrusive on your life than mandatory seatbelt laws. Not that I am for this, but essentially this is just going to make it so you can’t buy these types of bulbs anymore. Kind of like how you can’t buy leaded gasoline anymore.

On the scale of things that get me fired up, RICO property seizures and the IRS holding people guilty until proven innocent are on one side, and leaded gasoline and incandescent light bulb bans are on the other.[/quote]

Sure, I totally agree with you Boston. But I think sometimes it’s the little stupid stuff that throws you over the edge into a rage. Sure, I think we mostly realize that this is on the same level as leaded gas, but that’s not what’s bothering people so much as the thought that this is just ONE MORE example of intrusive gov’t in a long line of such examples. Another straw on the camel’s back.

I like all types of light bulbs in my lands. I prefer full spectrum H.I.D. bulbs for heat production as well as lighting.

HID and Incandescent light bulbs are decent heaters with light as a by product.

Fluorescents disperse heat more with more lumen production for the same wattage and heat production as HID and incandescents.

Incandescents are vastly inferior to HID(metal halide and high pressure sodium bulbs;streetlights(ie))in both efficiency of light production and heat.

As long as the government doesn’t touch HID lighting I won’t really care.

Another point.

As any decent gardener knows incandescents are useless for growing plants but both fluorescents and HID are used professionally for both propagation in pure solar gardens and production in supplemented light greenhouses.

Like I said as long as they don’t restrict the best bulbs I won’t really mind the extinction of a dodo like incandescents.

This doesn’t mean I trust big brother.

I still suggest we all invest some of our earnings in an armed sustainable remote farm compound near to us. The government does this for me in taxes but having the decision making power of ownership is a beautiful thing. In other words I don’t think I’ll get an invitation to the U.S. federal bunkers. I am not however prevented from creating a local cooperative that will invite me.

[quote]Heliotrope wrote:
As any decent gardener knows incandescents are useless for growing plants but both fluorescents and HID are used professionally for both propagation in pure solar gardens and production in supplemented light greenhouses. [/quote]

I figured that was the case given incandescents emit higher up on the spectrum. I couldn’t refute Belligerent’s post though for lack of “gardening” experience.

They put 3 GE plants out of business in my town cause it’s cheaper to make and sell these light bulbs from China.