Sarah Palin and Paul Revere

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]jre67t wrote:
Hey what about obama telling us we have 57 states. Its funny that you guys attack a woman who is not in office. And too the guy who said of Obama being to tired to remember its 2011, he is not to tired to be golfing correct.[/quote]

If you’re referring to me, I didn’t say he was too tired. I said there is a difference between a slip-up and whatever it was that happened in this video.

57 states… a stupid thing to say? Yes, definitely. But does anyone, in any way, suspect that Obama actually did not know how many states were in the US (or, for that matter, that the current year is 2011)? No, they don’t. Which inevitably leads to the conclusion that the statement was a gaffe, a slip-up, a fuck-up…whatever. What can you draw from that? That he is human, flawed, susceptible to mistakes.

This, on the other hand, feels less like an in-the-moment flub and more like actual evidence that Sarah Palin did not understand what Paul Revere actually did.

So, to recap: does Obama know how many states exist in the US? Yes. Does he know what year it is? Yes.

Did Palin know what Paul Revere did? Maybe. Maybe not. Certainly doesn’t seem so.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
When are you going to begin a thread on the many mistakes that Vice President Joe Biden makes? Or for that matter recently Obama thought it was 2008. Oh wait…I forgot we should only point out republicans errors.

What was I thinking?

Carry on.

I think there is a difference between someone with an extremely busy and stressful life writing down the wrong date, and whatever it was that happened in this video. I can’t tell what exactly she is trying to say, but it definitely hints at the notion that she actually didn’t know who Revere was.[/quote]

Naw, you’re just making excuses for the guy because you like him and his politics and you don’t like Palin. That’s called partisanship. Why couldn’t Palin have been tired as well? She probably gives 3 speeches a day while touring the coutry. Is only Obama allowed to be tired? Come on you know better than that. They all make gaffes and look stupid on occasion.

Yeah, he’s really a bad dream to the democrats, that’s why I like him so much. But mark my words Obama will dump him in favor of Hillary.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]jre67t wrote:
Hey what about obama telling us we have 57 states. Its funny that you guys attack a woman who is not in office. And too the guy who said of Obama being to tired to remember its 2011, he is not to tired to be golfing correct.[/quote]

If you’re referring to me, I didn’t say he was too tired. I said there is a difference between a slip-up and whatever it was that happened in this video.

57 states… a stupid thing to say? Yes, definitely. But does anyone, in any way, suspect that Obama actually did not know how many states were in the US (or, for that matter, that the current year is 2011)? No, they don’t. Which inevitably leads to the conclusion that the statement was a gaffe, a slip-up, a fuck-up…whatever. What can you draw from that? That he is human, flawed, susceptible to mistakes.

This, on the other hand, feels less like an in-the-moment flub and more like actual evidence that Sarah Palin did not understand what Paul Revere actually did.

So, to recap: does Obama know how many states exist in the US? Yes. Does he know what year it is? Yes.

Did Palin know what Paul Revere did? Maybe. Maybe not. Certainly doesn’t seem so.[/quote]

More excuses for a guy that you like. Ho hum…

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If you are right about the VP pick being Hillary, I will buy you a steak dinner if you are ever in Chicago.

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[quote]jre67t wrote:
Hey what about obama telling us we have 57 states. Its funny that you guys attack a woman who is not in office. And too the guy who said of Obama being to tired to remember its 2011, he is not to tired to be golfing correct.[/quote]
just FYI, he’s golfing with Boehner… lol.

c’mon, let the guy golf, it doesn’t bother me. While being a President is one busy ass job, they all have their free time. Obama golfs, Bush shot animals, Cheney shot humans, Clinton jizzed on Lewinsky, and so on.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Why couldn’t Palin have been tired as well? She probably gives 3 speeches a day while touring the coutry. Is only Obama allowed to be tired? Come on you know better than that. They all make gaffes and look stupid on occasion.

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You’re right, she certainly could be. Although this video seems like more than just a simple slip, I agree that she must be pretty worn out a lot of the time.

That said, she has said and done MANY things that have shown her to be ignorant.

And I’m not saying that because I don’t like her politics. There are staunch conservative politicians out there that are extremely knowledgeable/intelligent, and I will be the first to admit that. But we all know that she isn’t one of them.

I mean, a fox news reporter stated that Palin did not, at the outset of the 2008 campaign, understand that Africa was a continent. Not that she slipped and said so by accident…but that she actually had to be sat down and explained the difference between South Africa, the country, and Africa, the continent. If that’s true…I doubt that you could find any politician in Washington, either Republican or Democrat, with an analogous lack of basic intelligence.

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If you think the Palin’s gaffes are equivalent to Obama’s, here is a question:

You have to put Obama in a room on the day he made the 57 states comment (before). You give him a pen and a piece of paper and you tell him to write down, taking as much time to think as is neccessary, the number of states in the US.

You have to bet your life’s savings on whether he is going to get it right or wrong. Which would you bet? I think that no sane person on Earth would bet against him.

Now do the same, but Palin has to provide a coherent, lucid, and accurate account of what Paul Revere did to become famous. Which would you bet on? Even if you bet that she got it completely right, wouldn’t you feel pretty fucking nervous about it? I know I would.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
If you think the Palin’s gaffes are equivalent to Obama’s, here is a question:

You have to put Obama in a room on the day he made the 57 states comment (before). You give him a pen and a piece of paper and you tell him to write down, taking as much time to think as is neccessary, the number of states in the US.

You have to bet your life’s savings on whether he is going to get it right or wrong. Which would you bet? I think that no sane person on Earth would bet against him.

Now do the same, but Palin has to provide a coherent, lucid, and accurate account of what Paul Revere did to become famous. Which would you bet on? Even if you bet that she got it completely right, wouldn’t you feel pretty fucking nervous about it? I know I would.[/quote]

You think Palin doesn’t know there are 50 states? and you think Obama could give a coherent, lucid, and accurate account of what Paul Revere did to become famous?

I agree with your first part. But come on. Look at how you even worded it. Obama has to say “50” but you expect Palin to give an essay that you can dismantle for any errors. Let’s be consistent here. Both are probably not much to listen to in regards to history lessons.

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If she doesn’t know that Paul Revere was a horsey then she shouldn’t be anywhere near political office.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
If you think the Palin’s gaffes are equivalent to Obama’s, here is a question:

You have to put Obama in a room on the day he made the 57 states comment (before). You give him a pen and a piece of paper and you tell him to write down, taking as much time to think as is neccessary, the number of states in the US.

You have to bet your life’s savings on whether he is going to get it right or wrong. Which would you bet? I think that no sane person on Earth would bet against him.

Now do the same, but Palin has to provide a coherent, lucid, and accurate account of what Paul Revere did to become famous. Which would you bet on? Even if you bet that she got it completely right, wouldn’t you feel pretty fucking nervous about it? I know I would.[/quote]

You think Palin doesn’t know there are 50 states? and you think Obama could give a coherent, lucid, and accurate account of what Paul Revere did to become famous?

I agree with your first part. But come on. Look at how you even worded it. Obama has to say “50” but you expect Palin to give an essay that you can dismantle for any errors. Let’s be consistent here. Both are probably not much to listen to in regards to history lessons. [/quote]

I know they aren’t equivalent in terms of difficulty (although, in reality, neither of those two questions is out of reach for anyone with a 4th grade education).

I’m simply trying to point out that Obama’s 57-state gaffe seems to be just that, a gaffe, whereas this video could be a gaffe or it could actually be Palin not knowing who Paul Revere was.

And to answer your question about Obama, I don’t think he (or many people) would have anything like a historian’s understanding of American history, but up until very recently I would have assumed that almost everyone in the nation would at least know to answer “he warned people that the British were coming.”

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I think Skyz has made the best point so far on this thread.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
If you are right about the VP pick being Hillary, I will buy you a steak dinner if you are ever in Chicago.[/quote]

I’ve never been to Chicago but I bet they have some very fine steak houses. I’ll take you up on that

Thank you,

Zeb

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

That said, she has said and done MANY things that have shown her to be ignorant.[/quote]

Oh, you mean when she’s interviewed by someone from the MSLM and they leave parts of that interview on the editing room floor and portray her as an idiot? Yeah, I agree they can really make her look stupid. You are not old enough to remember but they did the same thing to Ronald Reagan for a while. Then he got smart and went directly to the people.

Sure you are there is nothing cooler for a liberal to do than hate on Palin. You’re just doing what comes naturally.

I would never vote for he for President in a republican primary. That said she’s head and shoulder’s sharper than her 08’ counter part old Uncle Joe Biden.

Now I’d like you to give me a list of all of the intelligent conservatives - Go ahead it will be good for you to walk down that road.

Well, how about that. I’ve never heard that one before. I hope you don’t mind if I ask for some back up references. I’m not doubting you but I do know that there are plenty of lies spread by the left about Palin and you may have gotten hold of some bad information.

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Here is the original Fox News report on the subject:

Could the guy be making it up? Sure. But I don’t necessarily think its a stretch, judging by what I’ve heard directly out of her mouth. And the comparison with Biden isn’t necessarily fair…I mean he cut her into little pieces during the vice-presidential debate. I vividly remember a question about the VP’s relationship with the Senate. Palin answered first and it was painfully clear that she had absolutely no idea what it was…and this was literally a mere description of the job she was seeking.

And, Zeb, I do agree that Palin gets an unfair treatment by many. I even said in my first post in this thread that the reporter who asked her the question which prompted her (stupid) response in the video was an asshole, and that that was a patronizing and possibly unfair question. But that doesn’t change the fact that she seems truly ignorant.

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As for intelligent conservatives: Robert Kagan comes to mind. I disagree with him in many particular instances (Iraq, notably) but he is obviously in command of a sea of foreign policy knowledge. I love P.J. O’Rourke. Hitchens is at times brilliant and is an odd mix of Conservatism and Liberalism. Kissinger is inarguably intelligent.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
As for intelligent conservatives: Hitchens is at times brilliant and is an odd mix of Conservatism and Liberalism.[/quote]

Hitchens as in christopher Hitchens? If so, I want to add that he is a socialist, cynical yes, but still a socialist.

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[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
As for intelligent conservatives: Hitchens is at times brilliant and is an odd mix of Conservatism and Liberalism.[/quote]

Hitchens as in christopher Hitchens? If so, I want to add that he is a socialist, cynical yes, but still a socialist.[/quote]

Yep. He is an odd mixture of ideologies. On many social issues he is undoubtedly progressive. Economically he leans considerably to the left. With regard to foreign policy, though, the argument can be made that he isn’t far off from a Neoconservative.

I disagree with a lot of what he says, but I admire the fact that it is tough to squeeze him into a neat archetypal categorization. Plus, his vituperation is about as entertaining as literature can get (though admittedly mean-spirited in many cases).

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
And the comparison with Biden isn’t necessarily fair…I mean he cut her into little pieces during the vice-presidential debate. [/quote]

And that’s what I mean by a biased view. I thought Palin won that debate. But interestingly enough those who wanted Obama/Biden thought that Biden won. And those who wanted McCain/Palin thought that Palin won. So, you don’t have to admit it but every single piece of data demonstrates that your bias causes you to lean one way or the other regarding who is smart an who, as you put it is ignorant.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
And that’s what I mean by a biased view. I thought Palin won that debate. But interestingly enough those who wanted Obama/Biden thought that Biden won. And those who wanted McCain/Palin thought that Palin won. So, you don’t have to admit it but every single piece of data demonstrates that your bias causes you to lean one way or the other regarding who is smart an who, as you put it is ignorant.

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This point I give you, completely. And obviously the result of that debate is subjective.

But some things aren’t subjective, and I stand by the conviction that Palin is extremely ignorant, and has shown herself to be so on numerous occasions. If the Fox report I put up earlier is true (and there seems to be no reason to believe it isn’t), then that’s really all the proof I need.

I never bought into the whole Bush stupidity thing. Bad speaker, yes. Perhaps not incredibly intelligent…though I have heard, and believe, that he was an avid reader and had a very sharp memory. But he has definitely been depicted in a biased light, especially with regard to his intelligence.

Palin, on the other hand, has earned her reputation in my book.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

I never bought into the whole Bush stupidity thing. Bad speaker, yes. Perhaps not incredibly intelligent.[/quote]

And that’s exactly what the MSLM would have you believe. But, did you know that his IQ was higher than John Kerry’s? And as far as Obama none of us know how bright he is as his grades are all on lock down, as are his medical records. Nice huh? And did you here the MSLM protest this? Not at all! Not such a free press huh?

[quote]
Palin, on the other hand, has earned her reputation in my book.[/quote]

I know how you feel, but in case I missed it why don’t you write it one more time? Look I maintain that she is smarter than old uncle Joe Biden. Judging by gaffes and stupid comments in general no one beats Biden. And that should worry you as he is one heart beat away from the Presidency.

But you’re not too worried about that because old uncle Joe represents your views.

YAWN.

This is pointless…