I just dont see where a three board 725 bench mean he would be able to take the world record which is 715. If each board is two inches thick, thats 6 inches less ROM. I cant think of a lift where cutting off 6 inches of ROM at the hardest part of the lift would only result in 10 more pounds (or, in this case, less than 2% increase).
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
My point was, and is, that such devices take away from the point of the competition (to see how much a human being can bench press).[/quote]
I thought the point of that particular competition was to see how much someone can bench press wearing a bench shirt.
[quote]IainK wrote:
Personally that was probably the worst bench I have seen Ryan do. Touch and go, not locked out, and not even conrol at the top of the lift.
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My thoughts exactly. It must’ve looked different from where the judges were.
KBCthird; you are correct and I agree that technically no lift should get the ‘benfit of the doubt’.
As a lifter I personally do not want the benefit of any doubt! If I have not clearly established the technicalities of the lift to the refs I should not be surprised if I am red lighted.
[quote]IainK wrote:
KBCthird; you are correct and I agree that technically no lift should get the ‘benfit of the doubt’.
As a lifter I personally do not want the benefit of any doubt! If I have not clearly established the technicalities of the lift to the refs I should not be surprised if I am red lighted. [/quote]
While I am awed by his ability to handle that kind of wieght I do not think Ryan’s lift serves as a good catalyst for this discussion as I ahve not seen an angle yet (most recent one included) where it looked fully locked. Not to mention unless the side judges are blind his ass appears to be many inches up. This isn’t a good example of ‘giving the benefit of a doubt.’
I do not wish to speak for him but I think you misinterpreted what KBC posted and from my standpoint I thoroughly agree with him.
As a judge, if you have to think about a call it should be a white light. Taking the opposite approach results in the judges you see who will be the only one on the red for an entire session. The ‘prove it to me’ types.
I hate that kind of reffing and honestly think it reflects one of two things:
A lack of comfort interpreting rules.
A personality that almost always holds other people to different standards than they hold themself.
If I am directing a meet and have a judge acting this way I always pull them. It is unnecessary and just pissed people off.
I will state that if a lifter comes out and is borderline on an opener I will almost always remember them and scrutinize things more closely the second time around.
Bottom line, benefit of the doubt should ALWAYS go to the lifter.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
IainK wrote:
KBCthird; you are correct and I agree that technically no lift should get the ‘benfit of the doubt’.
As a lifter I personally do not want the benefit of any doubt! If I have not clearly established the technicalities of the lift to the refs I should not be surprised if I am red lighted.
While I am awed by his ability to handle that kind of weight I do not think Ryan’s lift serves as a good catalyst for this discussion as I have not seen an angle yet (most recent one included) where it looked fully locked. Not to mention unless the side judges are blind his ass appears to be many inches up. This isn’t a good example of ‘giving the benefit of a doubt.’
I do not wish to speak for him but I think you misinterpreted what KBC posted and from my standpoint I thoroughly agree with him.
As a judge, if you have to think about a call it should be a white light. Taking the opposite approach results in the judges you see who will be the only one on the red for an entire session. The ‘prove it to me’ types.
I hate that kind of reffing and honestly think it reflects one of two things:
A lack of comfort interpreting rules.
A personality that almost always holds other people to different standards than they hold themself.
If I am directing a meet and have a judge acting this way I always pull them. It is unnecessary and just pisses people off.
I will state that if a lifter comes out and is borderline on an opener I will almost always remember them and scrutinize things more closely the second time around.
Bottom line, benefit of the doubt should ALWAYS go to the lifter. [/quote]
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
IainK wrote:
KBCthird; you are correct and I agree that technically no lift should get the ‘benfit of the doubt’.
As a lifter I personally do not want the benefit of any doubt! If I have not clearly established the technicalities of the lift to the refs I should not be surprised if I am red lighted.
While I am awed by his ability to handle that kind of wieght I do not think Ryan’s lift serves as a good catalyst for this discussion as I ahve not seen an angle yet (most recent one included) where it looked fully locked. Not to mention unless the side judges are blind his ass appears to be many inches up. This isn’t a good example of ‘giving the benefit of a doubt.’
I do not wish to speak for him but I think you misinterpreted what KBC posted and from my standpoint I thoroughly agree with him.
As a judge, if you have to think about a call it should be a white light. Taking the opposite approach results in the judges you see who will be the only one on the red for an entire session. The ‘prove it to me’ types.
I hate that kind of reffing and honestly think it reflects one of two things:
A lack of comfort interpreting rules.
A personality that almost always holds other people to different standards than they hold themself.
If I am directing a meet and have a judge acting this way I always pull them. It is unnecessary and just pissed people off.
I will state that if a lifter comes out and is borderline on an opener I will almost always remember them and scrutinize things more closely the second time around.
Bottom line, benefit of the doubt should ALWAYS go to the lifter. [/quote]
I agree, when I refereed I gave the lifter the lift if I was undecided at first. meaning it could go either way. I would call a technical violation, but if I thought depth was close, he got it. Like one of those bang bang plays at first base, tie goes ot he lifter.
Whatever. He’s also the strongest raw bencher in the world, so he can do whatever he wants in my opinion. No one else is strong enough to handle his raw poundages, so if he wants to grab a 12 ply shirt I don’t care. He’s the strongest at both, shouldn’t that be enough?
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How is he the strongest raw? Mendy holds the record. Kennelly has only done 600 in competition I believe.
there’s no pause, but still. I think he could have hit that for 4-5. He has the ability to get the raw bench record, it’s just a matter of how long he would have to train for it before he actually sets it.
lol at one of the comments made on that video: [quote]hes probabally using a bench shirt. helps you bench a shit-ton more than your max some are made by Inzer[/quote]
[quote]evansmi wrote:
2274 wrote:
ninearms wrote:
Another (better) angle:
From that angle, he didn’t seem to lockout. At least that’s how I see it. Strong brute nonetheless. He even attempted 1105.
lol at one of the comments made on that video: hes probabally using a bench shirt. helps you bench a shit-ton more than your max some are made by Inzer[/quote]
this one was funny too:
“this was obviously created on a computer. no one on planet earth can bench that.”
Whatever. He’s also the strongest raw bencher in the world, so he can do whatever he wants in my opinion. No one else is strong enough to handle his raw poundages, so if he wants to grab a 12 ply shirt I don’t care. He’s the strongest at both, shouldn’t that be enough?
How is he the strongest raw? Mendy holds the record. Kennelly has only done 600 in competition I believe.[/quote]
You are correct, I misspoke. Confused the two of them. But I still think he’s within easy shattering distance of that record.
there’s no pause, but still. I think he could have hit that for 4-5. He has the ability to get the raw bench record, it’s just a matter of how long he would have to train for it before he actually sets it.[/quote]
I don’t think he really cares about a raw record. Most guys using gear don’t really care about raw lifts.
there’s no pause, but still. I think he could have hit that for 4-5. He has the ability to get the raw bench record, it’s just a matter of how long he would have to train for it before he actually sets it.
I don’t think he really cares about a raw record. Most guys using gear don’t really care about raw lifts.
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But why? Doesn’t he know that RAW is the only true test of strength…I know that because I read it on the internet somewhere!