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RP Supporters: How Are You Voting?

Just wondering how all the Ron Paul supporters are going to vote in the general election.

I don’t like either candidate and had thought I wouldn’t vote, but I’m now wondering whether there’s a correct choice between the two. The economy appears to be rapidly going to shit, and while I don’t believe that either candidate is even capable of fixing the problem, I’m thinking that it will be better if these events play out while a Democrat is in office… if things go bad under a Republican administration, people will blame low taxes and free markets for whatever happens. If things go bad under a Democratic president, they’ll blame Republicans anyway, but at least is will be obvious to everyone how powerless liberals are to repair the situation.

So I might vote for Obama just so he’ll look bad. Then again, once universal healthcare passes, there will be no going back, and things will be permanently fucked. So what do you think?

[quote]but at least is will be obvious to everyone how powerless liberals are to repair the situation.
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Are you sure you’re a Ron Paul supporter?

Belligerant’s suggestion that a horrible 4 years under Obama may be what the country needs to learn a lesson isn’t unique to him. For example the publisher of Newsmax, a conservative magazine, argued that in a radio interview recently.

His analogy was to the Carter years, which opened America’s mind to the concept that more government control and higher taxes was not the answer. That “Socialism Lite” was not the answer. Another four years of Ford, followed by whomever might have succeeded Ford (probably a Democrat) would not have had the long term benefit that the long term effect of 4 years of Carter followed by Reagan (voted in in response to Carter) did.

However, Carter did not wreck the Supreme Court and a vast number of Circuit and District Courts, as Obama virtually undoubtedly will do if elected. And if he does, that damage can NOT be undone four years later. The damage will last 20 years or more.

So personally I disagree with the analysis.

Also I just flat cannot possibly afford the inevitable Obama tax increase.

Gonna be the first time in history that people voted in a communist government. They need to change the system to every income tax dollar you pay you get 1 vote. Fucking welfare babies would stop bleeding honest people dry.

My favorite campaign T-shirt is the one that says “We’re Screwed '08”.

We’re getting ready to enter a depression and spend many years rebuilding our economy. Nobody in their right mind would want to be president during that, and neither party can properly see us through that.

Personally, I’m probably going to vote for a reasonable third party candidate. My theory is that we need to give a third party enough support to build them up for the future. We really need a viable third party in Congress though.

Now, if McCain finds a position for Ron Paul, like Secretary of the Treasury, I’ll vote for McCain.

The more interesting question is, “If you’re a Hillary supporter, who are you going to vote for?” If Obama wins, Hillary can’t run again until 2016 at the earliest.

[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Gonna be the first time in history that people voted in a communist government. They need to change the system to every income tax dollar you pay you get 1 vote. Fucking welfare babies would stop bleeding honest people dry.[/quote]

Better yet. Only land-owners get to vote.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
Just wondering how all the Ron Paul supporters are going to vote in the general election.

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Who give a fuck? They were a small minority that was about as uninformed as the morons supporting Obama.

Since he was so unwilling to reject the white supremacists who were such a big support for him, he should never have been concidered a viable candidate.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Just wondering how all the Ron Paul supporters are going to vote in the general election.

Who give a fuck? They were a small minority that was about as uninformed as the morons supporting Obama.

Since he was so unwilling to reject the white supremacists who were such a big support for him, he should never have been concidered a viable candidate.[/quote]

I call bullshit. When you say “small minority” and “big support” in the same criticism, I gotta ask, which is it? Make up your mind.

That was close, we almost made it 10 replies in a Ron Paul thread before his supporters got called stupid (and probably racists)!

Anyway, as a part of that stupid minority, I support the idea of building up a viable 3rd party, but I doubt it will happen in the context of the Presidential election. Paul has wisely shifted his focus away from the Big One and is running the Campaign for Liberty to help support “smaller-government” officials at the local and state level, which is the proper way to build up a new party.

I’d be more than happy to vote Ron Paul this year, but if it means getting Obama/Biden, I’ll have to pass I’m afraid. McCain’s VP pick, while not magically transforming me into a rabid McCain fan, has at least given me reason to pay attention and consider voting for him.

The Republican party as an entity I suspect will continue to represent Paul’s “limited Government and non-Intervention” positions as “radical”, and that’s the way they will continue to be viewed by the “mainstream” voters, so we’ll keep getting bigger government under Dems and Repubs until all those stupid “small-government radicals” just don’t exist anymore. Yay, Freedom!

Probably noone.

[quote]lixy wrote:
GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Gonna be the first time in history that people voted in a communist government. They need to change the system to every income tax dollar you pay you get 1 vote. Fucking welfare babies would stop bleeding honest people dry.

Better yet. Only land-owners get to vote.[/quote]

Or only people beyond a certain level of income and/or wealth.

If you cannot handle your own live, you have no voice in the res publica.

Or, at least, if you receive government handouts of any kind, you are not allowed to vote.

And, yes, I am dead serious.

[quote]yorik wrote:

I call bullshit. When you say “small minority” and “big support” in the same criticism, I gotta ask, which is it? Make up your mind.[/quote]

Uh…What? Please re-read my post. You are somehow making connections that are not there.

Ok, I’ll dumb it down for you.

When I say small minority, I am talking about his overall support. It was obvious he never had a chance. He had a surprising showing, but only got about 1/6 of what McCain got. (That is not 1/6 of the total Republican vote, but 1/6 of what McCain got. Need to point that out.)

Then the big support is only in reference to the white supremacists supporting him. They were behind him in droves, and helped finance his bid. I don’t believe they were a majority of his support, but they were a “big” part of that “support”.

Get it?

[quote]orion wrote:
Or, at least, if you receive government handouts of any kind, you are not allowed to vote.

And, yes, I am dead serious.

[/quote]

Does that include grants and other college funding?

It looks like there are more people at Ron Paul’s rally then the RNC convention.
It really come to this

Repubs=Fascism
Dems=socialism

WE’RE SCREWED '08

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
<<<<<< However, Carter did not wreck the Supreme Court and a vast number of Circuit and District Courts, as Obama virtually undoubtedly will do if elected. And if he does, that damage can NOT be undone four years later. The damage will last 20 years or more. >>>>>>>>>> [/quote]

This has been my clarion call and there is no possible way to overstate this case. Legislation from the bench will take on new, innovative and unprecedented meanings if this guy gets his hands on the courts.

[quote]malonetd wrote:
orion wrote:
Or, at least, if you receive government handouts of any kind, you are not allowed to vote.

And, yes, I am dead serious.

Does that include grants and other college funding?[/quote]

If it does, my $100 of student aid apparently takes away my vote. Fantastic!

[quote]Magnate wrote:
malonetd wrote:
orion wrote:
Or, at least, if you receive government handouts of any kind, you are not allowed to vote.

And, yes, I am dead serious.

Does that include grants and other college funding?

If it does, my $100 of student aid apparently takes away my vote. Fantastic![/quote]

How about going to a land grant school? That count?

(Reminds me, I gotta get my absentee ballot =/)

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Magnate wrote:
malonetd wrote:
orion wrote:
Or, at least, if you receive government handouts of any kind, you are not allowed to vote.

And, yes, I am dead serious.

Does that include grants and other college funding?

If it does, my $100 of student aid apparently takes away my vote. Fantastic!

How about going to a land grant school? That count?

(Reminds me, I gotta get my absentee ballot =/)[/quote]

Where are you going?
/hijack commence.

[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
It looks like there are more people at Ron Paul’s rally then the RNC convention.
It really come to this

Repubs=Fascism
Dems=socialism

WE’RE SCREWED '08[/quote]

Fascism is just socialism lite.

Unfortunately McCain is a Democrat lite.

[quote]malonetd wrote:
orion wrote:
Or, at least, if you receive government handouts of any kind, you are not allowed to vote.

And, yes, I am dead serious.

Does that include grants and other college funding?[/quote]

I´d say yes.

The whole idea is not to have intelligent or educated people vote, but those who pay the bill.

That should make the bill much smaller.