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Ronda WTF


#41

Personally I’m a Rousey fan and even though Holm’s beat her fare and square it’s as if Ronda wanted to throw it away. She was unfit ie gassing after just 3 minutes of the first round so obviously didn’t have the conditioning for 5 rounds, she tried to box against a world class boxer and a southpaw at that who she vastly underestimated when she’s a world class grappler.

I hope Ronda can learn from this ie be respectful to all opponents, don’t underestimate opponents, train for a 5 round fight and not a 5 minute fight, make the fight happen in the area that you excel at rather than fall into the trap of allowing the opponent to fight in their area of expertise. Finally once she has rested up and finished her film obligations do the smart thing and have a warm up fight first do not think for a second you can just jump in where you left off if you’ve had a prolonged absence.

Oh and get rid of that useless coach, pay the money and use real experts.


#42

Bahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahhaha!

Ronda covering her face at the airport so you can’t see the beating she took.

Karma’s a cunt.


#43

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Bahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahhaha!

Ronda covering her face at the airport so you can’t see the beating she took.

Karma’s a cunt. [/quote]

Everyone has a plan until they get punched & punched & punched & … and then kicked in the mouth


#44

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Bahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahhaha!

Ronda covering her face at the airport so you can’t see the beating she took.

Karma’s a cunt. [/quote]

you know someone on another website pointed out rightly that this more than anything will irreparably damage her “destroyer” image.

Its one thing to get beaten tyson-douglas style, its another thing entirely to retreat into child mode like a little girl clutching her teddy bear.

I got a gut feeling her comeback won’t go smoothly.


#45

I’ve tried to refrain from comment, but with this being the sporting topic of the week, I may as-well chime in while its still relevant.

Refer to the weigh in video below;

Rousey did what she was supposed to; she weighed in within the championship limit while maintaining as much size and strength as possible.
She didn’t look bad at all; pretty standard for her really.
Mike Dolce was there acting like he was the man, so I presume he helped her make the cut. On fight night she did look to be in less than perfect condition.
I feel this is down to poor re-hydration and re-nourishment.
I’ve had the same problem myself; cutting quickly to keep power; looking malnourished at the weigh in, only to rehydrate and store all fluid in my gut. It happens.

Outside of that Rouseys problem’s are tri fold -
1 She is surrounded by Yes men and ‘experts’ who are in reality just hangers on.
I have a Bold statement; I don’t think Rousey was EVER inn shape. All the other fights were just too easy for her…

Rousey hasn’t developed or evolved or improved.
She’s got great judo, only average wrestling and she can punch hard.
Outside of that you’ve got a girl with no concept of striking strategy, defence, control or ring generalship.

You know what the thing is… She’s blessed it wasn’t Cyborg in there.

2 This is the first time she’s fought a ‘REAL’ opponent

Rousey was seen as the most dominant champion in MMA history because she had never fought a mixed martial artist.

Just as the old timers Severn Abbot and Coleman were superseded by more rounded men like Fedor, Couture and Werdum, like Matt
Hughes was eventually overcome by GSP, Shogun passed the batten to Jon Jones, Ronda (a one trick Pony) was dominated by a
well rounded MIXED MARTIAL ARTIST.
Evolve or get eaten.

3 The weigh betrayed her arrogance.
She believed her own hype.
Holly is a veteran of fighting… She played her so easily at the weigh in. After this point it was all eyes on Ronda all pressure off Holly
Ronda got offended and reacted like “how dare you challenge me? Dont you know who I am.”

I mean, Jesus, of course Ronda was going to walk straight forward trying to prove a point. Well played Ms. Holm.

She wasn’t in bad shape; she was just put in a position she had never been in before.
That was a real fight. The first real fight she has experienced.

Her fall from grace has been AMAZING.
All week it has been THE topic of conversation in the gym; it’s alll over the internet.
Everyone has an opinion on how she messed up, on where it all went wrong and what they would have done different.

Which is more; if 90% of the guys criticising her condition had a girlfriend in that ‘condition’ they more than likely wouldn’t be on an internet forum anyway haha.

****My beliefs are my own. My opinions are my interpretation of the situation as I observed it.
Which makes them true; if only to myself :wink:


#46

I’ve got a somewhat relevant question for some of the more experienced boxers and MMA practitioners here …

It seems like once a fighter really gets knocked out for the first time, it tends to happen again more easily in subsequent fights (think Chuck Liddell) … Not sure if there is any truth or science / psychology behind this or it’s just coincidence, but it has always made me curious

Almost like once they really get popped, the downward career spiral begins …


#47

Stay humble, or get kicked in the head and knocked the fuck out. Rhonda seems like a pretentious cunt, but it’s also her hype machine that i can not stand. All these stupid bandwagon celebs tweeting #andstill during the prefights just made her ass beating all the more satisfying.

God bless Holly Holm !!


#48

To resonate Donny’s thoughts on ringcraft and strategy.
As far as I’ve seen, her only strategy is “get the armbar” and her only tactic to get there is “bullrush”.
Something tells me Edmond “Armenian Pussy Predator” Taverdyan is most of the time getting upclose and personal with Mrs. Rousey on the mitts making her feel good, instead of learning her positional awareness and context. Hopefully her newly found hubby Mr. Selfdeclared FMJ kicks her out soon. Oh, wait…

Heartly advise for the lovely couple: get away from that creeper and get yo ass (back) to Jack/Wink in New Mex. Or Ludwig. Or Roach. You bring the raw material, they make a lovely sculpture.

And for God’s sake 'Muricans, get some sense of style. Short sleeved hoodies…


#49

[quote]Velvet Elvis wrote:
I’ve got a somewhat relevant question for some of the more experienced boxers and MMA practitioners here …

It seems like once a fighter really gets knocked out for the first time, it tends to happen again more easily in subsequent fights (think Chuck Liddell) … Not sure if there is any truth or science / psychology behind this or it’s just coincidence, but it has always made me curious

Almost like once they really get popped, the downward career spiral begins …[/quote]

Theres absolutely evidence behind it now

Unfortunately people only really started paying attention to the evidence in the last few years with all the happenings in the NHL.

Its called traumatic brain injury. Much like hearing loss, the damage is accumulative, and they’re only now just realizing how fragile the brain is.

Its also probably the reason why fighters seem to age faster than any other athlete, guys in their early 30s exhibiting signs of low testosterone, dulled reflexes etc.

Its not just the knockout that happens in the fight, its also the constant hard sparring. I think they have taken measures to help it in the UFC iirc, the governing body has instituted longer medical suspensions after KOs.


#50

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]cire13 wrote:
I don’t know why he’d be pissed. If Ronda had won she would have pretty much run out of opponents, not counting Cyborg. With that the PPV dollars would start going down. Dana is going to going on in on her road to redemption. If you think this PPV made money, just wait till the rematch. Dana’s going to build this up like it’s Ali vs Frazier[/quote]

Because he had a franchise with Rhonda Rousey. She really was the first MMA fighter that transcended the sport itself. Every time she did a movie, a TV show or any sort of endorsement Dana White and “the brothers” Got a percentage, and a large percentage at that. Now that she lost and shown herself to be not so invincible it harms her earning potential which in turn harms Dana White’s earning potential. He wanted her to be undefeated for many, many more fights. He wanted to squeeze every penny out of her before he put her up against someone who actually had close to an even chance to beat her.

Because all that Dana White cares about is the dollar bill! That’s why he literally made Anderson Silva comeback as quickly as possible to fight Chris Wideman…you saw what happened. Anderson Silva was another golden goose, not as nearly as big a money maker as Rousey but still important. He looked sick after Wideman knocked him out in their first fight. He didn’t act as sad after Wideman beat him a second time. All White wants to do is suck every last dollar out of his stars nothing else matter to him.

Now all of that is gone. The likelihood of Rousey coming back and defeating Holly is not good, at least not in the short term. And he is losing money. Yes, the rematch will make a ton of money. But, if Dana White had gotten his way and Rhonda had won, Rhonda vs. anyone else would also have made a ton of money and he would also have not lost out on the invincibility factor that Rhonda brought to the UFC, all the endorsements all of the attention from outside the relatively small world (compared to mainstream sports) of MMA.

Rhonda Rousey losing was Dana Whites (the great manipulator) worst nightmares. [/quote]

That’s exactly it. And the UFC isn’t doing great now - the fact that a female fighter fighting nobodies was their main draw (their sole draw, really) speaks to that.

What’s he supposed to do now that the golden goose got kicked in the teeth?

I hate when I agree with you Zeb, even though on matters of fighting I often do. [/quote]

Yeah, we’ve pretty much seen eye to eye on boxing, Dana White and other combat topics. It’s politics where you happen to be wrong :wink:


#51

[quote]cire13 wrote:
Even Dana was really interesting in her not losing he would have scheduled her to fight Meisha Tate again. Even if Ronda had won she was probably going to take at least a year off. She is shooting a movie called ‘Mile 22’ and then Road House, and I believe there are a couple of more in the pipeline. It’s not like the cash cow has somehow died with her loss. I will argue that there is more money to make now. People like a good comeback story. Dana was going to lose her to Hollywood probably sooner than later anyway If she had won, she could easily walk away from fighting. I think now there is a reason for her to comeback.[/quote]

If you think people are going to pay their hard earned dollars to watch Rousey act you might be mistaken. When she was undefeated and hyped up as the greatest martial artist who ever lived…and could even beat men (so she says) well then you have a golden goose. But, I’ve seen her act and I am totally unimpressed. So, on her acting ability alone I don’t think she’s a draw. Now if she comes back defeats Holm and continues on to win more, sure she’s then a draw again. But, I don’t see that happening. When you get your lights turned off for the first time after flying so high it does something to the person. Maybe I’m wrong but I doubt she will be the same fighter when she comes back. Anderson Silva wasn’t neither was Lidell. There were others…

No, I wouldn’t pay a dime to see Rhonda act. On her acting ability alone she won’t draw flies.


#52

[quote]Panopticum wrote:

Maybe MMA can turn into a sport where fans embrace the technical aspects far more than how intense some guys look at eachother at a dehydratation contest.[/quote]

That would mean that Dana White would have to stop eliminating Wrestlers. The fan base is happens to be lazy and could not figure out how to appreciate the ground game. Sure people like to see fighters standing toe to toe and slugging it out. But there is more to mma than just that. Unfortunately, you will never see the very best in every weight class with the UFC. Not as long as wrestling is frowned upon by Dana “The Manipulator” White.


#53

[quote]ZEB wrote:
The fan base is happens to be lazy and could not figure out how to appreciate the ground game.[/quote]

People do not want to watch fighters rolling around sniffing each others butt. Striking is exponentially more entertaining, and frankly i was never impressed with ronda getting a quick cheap submission on her opponents; that’s not a fight.

I cant think of any circumstance where i would watch her in movie, not even a porn since she’s average looking at best.


#54

[quote]Aggv wrote:
I cant think of any circumstance where i would watch her in movie, not even a porn since she’s average looking at best. [/quote]

so you’re not gunna watch “Ronda ArouseMe: Grounded and Pounded?”

haha


#55

Not just slugging it out. Technical sounds striking is amazing to watch. Seeing Holohan and Smolka go after it at high speed is cool.
Seeing Cain grind someone down is brutal.
Lay-and-pray sucks. If Askren used his wrestling more spectacular, I would watch him more. GSP, Coleman, Mendes, all high level wrestlers who added some ways of finishing to their aresenal.

Technical doesn’t mean slow and untreathening.


#56

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
The fan base is happens to be lazy and could not figure out how to appreciate the ground game.[/quote]

People do not want to watch fighters rolling around sniffing each others butt.[/quote]

Yuck…no I wouldn’t want to see that either. But, I do like to watch a really good tactical grappling match. Before the UFC tossed many of the wrestlers and wouldn’t let others in we saw more realistic fights. No butt sniffing, but a lot of really good ground grappling which I hate to break to you, is a part of a realistic fight.

Yes, and WWF is even more entertaining. But then we’ve taken several steps away from reality. We’ve only taken one or two steps back with what Dana “The Manipulator” and the UFC calls MMA.

Oh it’s a fight. You just don’t appreciate grappling. You are apparently the typical UFC fan. No need to apologize you are in the majority :wink:

Ha ha well at least we agree on something my friend.


#57

[quote]Panopticum wrote:
Not just slugging it out. Technical sounds striking is amazing to watch. Seeing Holohan and Smolka go after it at high speed is cool.
Seeing Cain grind someone down is brutal.
Lay-and-pray sucks. If Askren used his wrestling more spectacular, I would watch him more. GSP, Coleman, Mendes, all high level wrestlers who added some ways of finishing to their aresenal.

Technical doesn’t mean slow and untreathening.

[/quote]

Well said.


#58

[quote]ZEB wrote:
is a part of a realistic fight.
[/quote]

In a real fight, the worst thing that can happen is taking it to the ground, losing situational awareness and being kicked/hit/stabbed by on lookers.

god bless holly holm


#59

At the end of the day like it or not Ronda Rousey is a household name and has achieved more than most people myself included could dream of… Well done Holly but well done to Ronda too.


#60

[quote]Aggv wrote:
I cant think of any circumstance where i would watch her in movie, not even a porn since she’s average looking at best. [/quote]

FYI first Ronda-themed porn detected