[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I did not see an age on your profile , Where were you and how old were you in the Carter admin
[/quote]
Vair ah your paypahz?!?? Ve muzt zee your papahz! Vair ver you durink zee Carter adminiztration?!!?!
What are you the fucking Gestapo?
I’m old enough to remember Jimmuh, his inflation, dollar erosion, high misery index, and unemployment rates. I’m also old enough to remember how much better off we were 4 years after his ass was booted.
Economy grew, sure, in the beginning– Good for Jimmuh!
But bad for Jimmuh: Stagflation. Say it with me: “Stag-FLAY-shun”.
That makes for a big downer and a one-term peanut.
He took over with the plane in the air, but he sure crashed it-- sorry, that’s not the way to fly a plane, Jimmuh!
[quote]tom63 wrote:
You really don’t get it. do you even remember Jimmy Cater. Reagan was the best President and the only President that deserved capital letters in the 20th century. You have your opinion, and I have mine. i’ll go back to my Westvleteren and you can go drink some Coor’s light or whatever heathen rednecks drink.[/quote]
I remember Carter , I made a boat load of money while he was Pres.
The only thing Reagan deserved is what Hinckley gave him
Tonight the heathens are drinking Blue Moon
[/quote]
I’m interested.
How did you make a boat load of money in a high unemployment, highly inflationary environment with mortgage rates approaching 20%?
Maybe you inherited money that you parked in savings at 18%?
[/quote]
I earned it in the steel mills, and parked it in Cdâ??s. The Republicans like to act as though Democrats donâ??t work. Over all I think I know as many lazy Republicans as I do lazy Democrats. I think the only thing the Democrats have over the Republicans is most Democrats are more empathetic than Republicans.
If any body has drunk the cool aid it has to be the Republicans, They believe in Reaganomics.
You are wrong Carter turned the economy around from the Ford Admin.
If you think Carter Admin was tough you should have tried the brilliant Nixon admin. I guess you are just like those brilliant Republicans I have mentioned.
In Carters defense of Iran, I thought it was a brilliant plan that fell flat. His plan was to put the whole city to sleep, go in and take the hostages
[/quote]
That makes sense if I am reading you right.
You rode the back of a horse that was weighted down by union requirements until you bled it dry, then blamed everyone but the real culprits for the death. Then you lament the fact that the steel mills finally had to move overseas in order to escape the unions and be profitable. They wouldn’t let you loot them anymore? How dare they!
At least you were smart. You capitalized on the inflation your demon-crats produced by parking your ill earned wages in CD’s at inflated rates.
But I will give you one bullet for your gun, Barney. Its the only true gripe that democrats and the rest of the country should have against Reagan (and the only productive thing Carter did). Yet it is the one thing you never hear.
Carter was able to initiate the beginnings of a plan for energy independence by pushing through tax credits and incentives that were beginning to create a real industry, particularly in solar. I remember that it was growing especially well in Colorado.
Just as momentum was building, Reagan took office with the elder Bush. Credits and incentives were killed as relations with the oil producers improved and it no longer appeared to be cost effective. I often wonder what the technology would look like by now if that seed had continued to be nurtured to this day.
Yes, I realize that I am not showing you much empathy. It just seems that you are either unwilling or unable to put any real thought into a post before puke up a bunch of emotional hyperbole.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
You really don’t get it. do you even remember Jimmy Cater. Reagan was the best President and the only President that deserved capital letters in the 20th century. You have your opinion, and I have mine. i’ll go back to my Westvleteren and you can go drink some Coor’s light or whatever heathen rednecks drink.[/quote]
I remember Carter , I made a boat load of money while he was Pres.
The only thing Reagan deserved is what Hinckley gave him
Tonight the heathens are drinking Blue Moon
[/quote]
I’m interested.
How did you make a boat load of money in a high unemployment, highly inflationary environment with mortgage rates approaching 20%?
Maybe you inherited money that you parked in savings at 18%?
[/quote]
I earned it in the steel mills, and parked it in Cd�¢??s. The Republicans like to act as though Democrats don�¢??t work. Over all I think I know as many lazy Republicans as I do lazy Democrats. I think the only thing the Democrats have over the Republicans is most Democrats are more empathetic than Republicans.
If any body has drunk the cool aid it has to be the Republicans, They believe in Reaganomics.
You are wrong Carter turned the economy around from the Ford Admin.
If you think Carter Admin was tough you should have tried the brilliant Nixon admin. I guess you are just like those brilliant Republicans I have mentioned.
In Carters defense of Iran, I thought it was a brilliant plan that fell flat. His plan was to put the whole city to sleep, go in and take the hostages
[/quote]
That makes sense if I am reading you right.
You rode the back of a horse that was weighted down by union requirements until you bled it dry, then blamed everyone but the real culprits for the death. Then you lament the fact that the steel mills finally had to move overseas in order to escape the unions and be profitable. They wouldn’t let you loot them anymore? How dare they!
At least you were smart. You capitalized on the inflation your demon-crats produced by parking your ill earned wages in CD’s at inflated rates.
But I will give you one bullet for your gun, Barney. Its the only true gripe that democrats and the rest of the country should have against Reagan (and the only productive thing Carter did). Yet it is the one thing you never hear.
Carter was able to initiate the beginnings of a plan for energy independence by pushing through tax credits and incentives that were beginning to create a real industry, particularly in solar. I remember that it was growing especially well in Colorado.
Just as momentum was building, Reagan took office with the elder Bush. Credits and incentives were killed as relations with the oil producers improved and it no longer appeared to be cost effective. I often wonder what the technology would look like by now if that seed had continued to be nurtured to this day.
Yes, I realize that I am not showing you much empathy. It just seems that you are either unwilling or unable to put any real thought into a post before puke up a bunch of emotional hyperbole. [/quote]
I have often criticized the Unions, but I think they were a necessary evil; Big Business is not kind to the working man. I believe the Death of the Unions was synonymous of the death of the Mafia.
U.S. Steel producers did not move over seas, foreign Steel producers, mostly third world countries made steel so cheap because they were paying their employees barely livable wages dumped their steel on U.S. shores (unsold) and selling it at fire sale prices.
The Unions got a foot hold because American business is just like business in Viet Nam, only concerned about the bottom line.
I do not consider my opinions of Reagan to be hyperbole; I consider them to be fact. American President Cause vast areas of unemployment due to his misguided opinions of what a healthy economy is. He personally killed hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs; put hundreds of large American Steel producers out of business. He caused the American tax payer to shoulder all the lost revenue lost from the Steel producers and their employees. He effected hundreds if not thousands of communities in a very negative way (DESIMATING THEIR ECONOMIES) Reagan was bad news to all Steel producing Towns and States. Most areas affected have not recovered to this day and may never.
I do not understand the bullet you gave me for my gun?
[quote]tom63 wrote:
You really don’t get it. do you even remember Jimmy Cater. Reagan was the best President and the only President that deserved capital letters in the 20th century. You have your opinion, and I have mine. i’ll go back to my Westvleteren and you can go drink some Coor’s light or whatever heathen rednecks drink.[/quote]
I remember Carter , I made a boat load of money while he was Pres.
The only thing Reagan deserved is what Hinckley gave him
Tonight the heathens are drinking Blue Moon
[/quote]
I’m interested.
How did you make a boat load of money in a high unemployment, highly inflationary environment with mortgage rates approaching 20%?
Maybe you inherited money that you parked in savings at 18%?
[/quote]
I earned it in the steel mills, and parked it in Cd�?�¢??s. The Republicans like to act as though Democrats don�?�¢??t work. Over all I think I know as many lazy Republicans as I do lazy Democrats. I think the only thing the Democrats have over the Republicans is most Democrats are more empathetic than Republicans.
If any body has drunk the cool aid it has to be the Republicans, They believe in Reaganomics.
You are wrong Carter turned the economy around from the Ford Admin.
If you think Carter Admin was tough you should have tried the brilliant Nixon admin. I guess you are just like those brilliant Republicans I have mentioned.
In Carters defense of Iran, I thought it was a brilliant plan that fell flat. His plan was to put the whole city to sleep, go in and take the hostages
[/quote]
That makes sense if I am reading you right.
You rode the back of a horse that was weighted down by union requirements until you bled it dry, then blamed everyone but the real culprits for the death. Then you lament the fact that the steel mills finally had to move overseas in order to escape the unions and be profitable. They wouldn’t let you loot them anymore? How dare they!
At least you were smart. You capitalized on the inflation your demon-crats produced by parking your ill earned wages in CD’s at inflated rates.
But I will give you one bullet for your gun, Barney. Its the only true gripe that democrats and the rest of the country should have against Reagan (and the only productive thing Carter did). Yet it is the one thing you never hear.
Carter was able to initiate the beginnings of a plan for energy independence by pushing through tax credits and incentives that were beginning to create a real industry, particularly in solar. I remember that it was growing especially well in Colorado.
Just as momentum was building, Reagan took office with the elder Bush. Credits and incentives were killed as relations with the oil producers improved and it no longer appeared to be cost effective. I often wonder what the technology would look like by now if that seed had continued to be nurtured to this day.
Yes, I realize that I am not showing you much empathy. It just seems that you are either unwilling or unable to put any real thought into a post before puke up a bunch of emotional hyperbole. [/quote]
I have often criticized the Unions, but I think they were a necessary evil; Big Business is not kind to the working man. I believe the Death of the Unions was synonymous of the death of the Mafia.
U.S. Steel producers did not move over seas, foreign Steel producers, mostly third world countries made steel so cheap because they were paying their employees barely livable wages dumped their steel on U.S. shores (unsold) and selling it at fire sale prices.
The Unions got a foot hold because American business is just like business in Viet Nam, only concerned about the bottom line.
I do not consider my opinions of Reagan to be hyperbole; I consider them to be fact. American President Cause vast areas of unemployment due to his misguided opinions of what a healthy economy is. He personally killed hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs; put hundreds of large American Steel producers out of business. He caused the American tax payer to shoulder all the lost revenue lost from the Steel producers and their employees. He effected hundreds if not thousands of communities in a very negative way (DESIMATING THEIR ECONOMIES) Reagan was bad news to all Steel producing Towns and States. Most areas affected have not recovered to this day and may never.
I do not understand the bullet you gave me for my gun?
[/quote]
Pittbull wrote “I do not understand the bullet you gave me for my gun?”
Reagan allowed the fledgling alternative energy industry to be killed. This is where I differ with some conservatives and most libertarians. There are areas, such as alternative energy, that hold great potential benefit to the country. In the 1970’s, such an industry was unable to exist without governmental subsidies. However, many recognized its potential benefit in the unquantified future. Had it been allowed to grow, I believe we would be far ahead of our current situation and not so nearly dependent on foreign oil. A hard right conservative or libertarian might argue that markets are entirely self regulating and no industry should get government assistance to create a niche for itself. If it cannot support itself without help, there is no appropriate market and it should be allowed to fail.
Again, it is my argument that there are instances where it is in the public’s best interest to lay out a little seed money and assistance to develop industry and technology that while not financial viable at the moment are very likely to be needed in the future.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
You really don’t get it. do you even remember Jimmy Cater. Reagan was the best President and the only President that deserved capital letters in the 20th century. You have your opinion, and I have mine. i’ll go back to my Westvleteren and you can go drink some Coor’s light or whatever heathen rednecks drink.[/quote]
I remember Carter , I made a boat load of money while he was Pres.
The only thing Reagan deserved is what Hinckley gave him
Tonight the heathens are drinking Blue Moon
[/quote]
I’m interested.
How did you make a boat load of money in a high unemployment, highly inflationary environment with mortgage rates approaching 20%?
Maybe you inherited money that you parked in savings at 18%?
[/quote]
I earned it in the steel mills, and parked it in Cd�??�?�¢??s. The Republicans like to act as though Democrats don�??�?�¢??t work. Over all I think I know as many lazy Republicans as I do lazy Democrats. I think the only thing the Democrats have over the Republicans is most Democrats are more empathetic than Republicans.
If any body has drunk the cool aid it has to be the Republicans, They believe in Reaganomics.
You are wrong Carter turned the economy around from the Ford Admin.
If you think Carter Admin was tough you should have tried the brilliant Nixon admin. I guess you are just like those brilliant Republicans I have mentioned.
In Carters defense of Iran, I thought it was a brilliant plan that fell flat. His plan was to put the whole city to sleep, go in and take the hostages
[/quote]
That makes sense if I am reading you right.
You rode the back of a horse that was weighted down by union requirements until you bled it dry, then blamed everyone but the real culprits for the death. Then you lament the fact that the steel mills finally had to move overseas in order to escape the unions and be profitable. They wouldn’t let you loot them anymore? How dare they!
At least you were smart. You capitalized on the inflation your demon-crats produced by parking your ill earned wages in CD’s at inflated rates.
But I will give you one bullet for your gun, Barney. Its the only true gripe that democrats and the rest of the country should have against Reagan (and the only productive thing Carter did). Yet it is the one thing you never hear.
Carter was able to initiate the beginnings of a plan for energy independence by pushing through tax credits and incentives that were beginning to create a real industry, particularly in solar. I remember that it was growing especially well in Colorado.
Just as momentum was building, Reagan took office with the elder Bush. Credits and incentives were killed as relations with the oil producers improved and it no longer appeared to be cost effective. I often wonder what the technology would look like by now if that seed had continued to be nurtured to this day.
Yes, I realize that I am not showing you much empathy. It just seems that you are either unwilling or unable to put any real thought into a post before puke up a bunch of emotional hyperbole. [/quote]
I have often criticized the Unions, but I think they were a necessary evil; Big Business is not kind to the working man. I believe the Death of the Unions was synonymous of the death of the Mafia.
U.S. Steel producers did not move over seas, foreign Steel producers, mostly third world countries made steel so cheap because they were paying their employees barely livable wages dumped their steel on U.S. shores (unsold) and selling it at fire sale prices.
The Unions got a foot hold because American business is just like business in Viet Nam, only concerned about the bottom line.
I do not consider my opinions of Reagan to be hyperbole; I consider them to be fact. American President Cause vast areas of unemployment due to his misguided opinions of what a healthy economy is. He personally killed hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs; put hundreds of large American Steel producers out of business. He caused the American tax payer to shoulder all the lost revenue lost from the Steel producers and their employees. He effected hundreds if not thousands of communities in a very negative way (DESIMATING THEIR ECONOMIES) Reagan was bad news to all Steel producing Towns and States. Most areas affected have not recovered to this day and may never.
I do not understand the bullet you gave me for my gun?
[/quote]
[quote]tom63 wrote:
You really don’t get it. do you even remember Jimmy Cater. Reagan was the best President and the only President that deserved capital letters in the 20th century. You have your opinion, and I have mine. i’ll go back to my Westvleteren and you can go drink some Coor’s light or whatever heathen rednecks drink.[/quote]
I remember Carter , I made a boat load of money while he was Pres.
The only thing Reagan deserved is what Hinckley gave him
Tonight the heathens are drinking Blue Moon
[/quote]
I’m interested.
How did you make a boat load of money in a high unemployment, highly inflationary environment with mortgage rates approaching 20%?
Maybe you inherited money that you parked in savings at 18%?
[/quote]
I earned it in the steel mills, and parked it in Cd�??�?�¢??s. The Republicans like to act as though Democrats don�??�?�¢??t work. Over all I think I know as many lazy Republicans as I do lazy Democrats. I think the only thing the Democrats have over the Republicans is most Democrats are more empathetic than Republicans.
If any body has drunk the cool aid it has to be the Republicans, They believe in Reaganomics.
You are wrong Carter turned the economy around from the Ford Admin.
If you think Carter Admin was tough you should have tried the brilliant Nixon admin. I guess you are just like those brilliant Republicans I have mentioned.
In Carters defense of Iran, I thought it was a brilliant plan that fell flat. His plan was to put the whole city to sleep, go in and take the hostages
[/quote]
That makes sense if I am reading you right.
You rode the back of a horse that was weighted down by union requirements until you bled it dry, then blamed everyone but the real culprits for the death. Then you lament the fact that the steel mills finally had to move overseas in order to escape the unions and be profitable. They wouldn’t let you loot them anymore? How dare they!
At least you were smart. You capitalized on the inflation your demon-crats produced by parking your ill earned wages in CD’s at inflated rates.
But I will give you one bullet for your gun, Barney. Its the only true gripe that democrats and the rest of the country should have against Reagan (and the only productive thing Carter did). Yet it is the one thing you never hear.
Carter was able to initiate the beginnings of a plan for energy independence by pushing through tax credits and incentives that were beginning to create a real industry, particularly in solar. I remember that it was growing especially well in Colorado.
Just as momentum was building, Reagan took office with the elder Bush. Credits and incentives were killed as relations with the oil producers improved and it no longer appeared to be cost effective. I often wonder what the technology would look like by now if that seed had continued to be nurtured to this day.
Yes, I realize that I am not showing you much empathy. It just seems that you are either unwilling or unable to put any real thought into a post before puke up a bunch of emotional hyperbole. [/quote]
I have often criticized the Unions, but I think they were a necessary evil; Big Business is not kind to the working man. I believe the Death of the Unions was synonymous of the death of the Mafia.
U.S. Steel producers did not move over seas, foreign Steel producers, mostly third world countries made steel so cheap because they were paying their employees barely livable wages dumped their steel on U.S. shores (unsold) and selling it at fire sale prices.
The Unions got a foot hold because American business is just like business in Viet Nam, only concerned about the bottom line.
I do not consider my opinions of Reagan to be hyperbole; I consider them to be fact. American President Cause vast areas of unemployment due to his misguided opinions of what a healthy economy is. He personally killed hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs; put hundreds of large American Steel producers out of business. He caused the American tax payer to shoulder all the lost revenue lost from the Steel producers and their employees. He effected hundreds if not thousands of communities in a very negative way (DESIMATING THEIR ECONOMIES) Reagan was bad news to all Steel producing Towns and States. Most areas affected have not recovered to this day and may never.
I do not understand the bullet you gave me for my gun?
[/quote]
Protectionism was the disease.
Reagan was the cure.
Withdrawal symptoms hurt.
There, in a nutshell.[/quote]
Either you are an idiot or you do not know the damage done by the likes of that type of rhetoric. That is like justifying throwing the baby out with the bath water.
From the economyâ??s point of view, how is killing hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs and hundreds of big American businesses and all of their tax revenue good for America?
[quote]JEATON wrote:
Pittbull wrote “I do not understand the bullet you gave me for my gun?”
Reagan allowed the fledgling alternative energy industry to be killed. This is where I differ with some conservatives and most libertarians. There are areas, such as alternative energy, that hold great potential benefit to the country. In the 1970’s, such an industry was unable to exist without governmental subsidies. However, many recognized its potential benefit in the unquantified future. Had it been allowed to grow, I believe we would be far ahead of our current situation and not so nearly dependent on foreign oil. A hard right conservative or libertarian might argue that markets are entirely self regulating and no industry should get government assistance to create a niche for itself. If it cannot support itself without help, there is no appropriate market and it should be allowed to fail.
Again, it is my argument that there are instances where it is in the public’s best interest to lay out a little seed money and assistance to develop industry and technology that while not financial viable at the moment are very likely to be needed in the future. [/quote]
Either you are an idiot or you do not know the damage done by the likes of that type of rhetoric. That is like justifying throwing the baby out with the bath water.
From the economyâ??s point of view, how is killing hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs and hundreds of big American businesses and all of their tax revenue good for America?
Your logic boggles the mind?
[/quote]
Unions killed the market, Reagan fixed the strangle hold steel mills had on the market, and instead of the unions giving up some of there demands they just rode the steel industry into the ground. The high paying jobs you speak of where killing the rest of America.
If you want to be mad at anyone don’t be mad at Reagan but be mad at the unions that stalled/killed businesses. If there where no unions the steel industry would still be around.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
There are areas, such as alternative energy, that hold great potential benefit to the country. In the 1970’s, such an industry was unable to exist without governmental subsidies. [/quote]
As someone who works tangentially in the (Alternative) Energy sector, I can say that that industry is unable to exist without governmental subsidies NOW.
Either you are an idiot or you do not know the damage done by the likes of that type of rhetoric. That is like justifying throwing the baby out with the bath water.
From the economy�¢??s point of view, how is killing hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs and hundreds of big American businesses and all of their tax revenue good for America?
Your logic boggles the mind?
[/quote]
Unions killed the market, Reagan fixed the strangle hold steel mills had on the market, and instead of the unions giving up some of there demands they just rode the steel industry into the ground. The high paying jobs you speak of where killing the rest of America.
If you want to be mad at anyone don’t be mad at Reagan but be mad at the unions that stalled/killed businesses. If there where no unions the steel industry would still be around.[/quote]
you are wrong , the Unions did not kill the Industry The Unions did not sign the bill
[quote]JEATON wrote:
There are areas, such as alternative energy, that hold great potential benefit to the country. In the 1970’s, such an industry was unable to exist without governmental subsidies. [/quote]
As someone who works tangentially in the (Alternative) Energy sector, I can say that that industry is unable to exist without governmental subsidies NOW.[/quote]
so almost 40 years and it still can’t exist without government subsidies? Sounds like it is going no where fast.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
There are areas, such as alternative energy, that hold great potential benefit to the country. In the 1970’s, such an industry was unable to exist without governmental subsidies. [/quote]
As someone who works tangentially in the (Alternative) Energy sector, I can say that that industry is unable to exist without governmental subsidies NOW.[/quote]
so almost 40 years and it still can’t exist without government subsidies? Sounds like it is going no where fast.[/quote]
What would your choice be? Wait until everybody runs out of oil then worry about alternative to oil? Or do you believe the oil will last forever?
[quote]tom63 wrote:
You really don’t get it. do you even remember Jimmy Cater. Reagan was the best President and the only President that deserved capital letters in the 20th century. You have your opinion, and I have mine. i’ll go back to my Westvleteren and you can go drink some Coor’s light or whatever heathen rednecks drink.[/quote]
I remember Carter , I made a boat load of money while he was Pres.
The only thing Reagan deserved is what Hinckley gave him
Tonight the heathens are drinking Blue Moon
[/quote]
I’m interested.
How did you make a boat load of money in a high unemployment, highly inflationary environment with mortgage rates approaching 20%?
Maybe you inherited money that you parked in savings at 18%?
[/quote]
I earned it in the steel mills, and parked it in Cd�??�??�?�¢??s. The Republicans like to act as though Democrats don�??�??�?�¢??t work. Over all I think I know as many lazy Republicans as I do lazy Democrats. I think the only thing the Democrats have over the Republicans is most Democrats are more empathetic than Republicans.
If any body has drunk the cool aid it has to be the Republicans, They believe in Reaganomics.
You are wrong Carter turned the economy around from the Ford Admin.
If you think Carter Admin was tough you should have tried the brilliant Nixon admin. I guess you are just like those brilliant Republicans I have mentioned.
In Carters defense of Iran, I thought it was a brilliant plan that fell flat. His plan was to put the whole city to sleep, go in and take the hostages
[/quote]
That makes sense if I am reading you right.
You rode the back of a horse that was weighted down by union requirements until you bled it dry, then blamed everyone but the real culprits for the death. Then you lament the fact that the steel mills finally had to move overseas in order to escape the unions and be profitable. They wouldn’t let you loot them anymore? How dare they!
At least you were smart. You capitalized on the inflation your demon-crats produced by parking your ill earned wages in CD’s at inflated rates.
But I will give you one bullet for your gun, Barney. Its the only true gripe that democrats and the rest of the country should have against Reagan (and the only productive thing Carter did). Yet it is the one thing you never hear.
Carter was able to initiate the beginnings of a plan for energy independence by pushing through tax credits and incentives that were beginning to create a real industry, particularly in solar. I remember that it was growing especially well in Colorado.
Just as momentum was building, Reagan took office with the elder Bush. Credits and incentives were killed as relations with the oil producers improved and it no longer appeared to be cost effective. I often wonder what the technology would look like by now if that seed had continued to be nurtured to this day.
Yes, I realize that I am not showing you much empathy. It just seems that you are either unwilling or unable to put any real thought into a post before puke up a bunch of emotional hyperbole. [/quote]
I have often criticized the Unions, but I think they were a necessary evil; Big Business is not kind to the working man. I believe the Death of the Unions was synonymous of the death of the Mafia.
U.S. Steel producers did not move over seas, foreign Steel producers, mostly third world countries made steel so cheap because they were paying their employees barely livable wages dumped their steel on U.S. shores (unsold) and selling it at fire sale prices.
The Unions got a foot hold because American business is just like business in Viet Nam, only concerned about the bottom line.
I do not consider my opinions of Reagan to be hyperbole; I consider them to be fact. American President Cause vast areas of unemployment due to his misguided opinions of what a healthy economy is. He personally killed hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs; put hundreds of large American Steel producers out of business. He caused the American tax payer to shoulder all the lost revenue lost from the Steel producers and their employees. He effected hundreds if not thousands of communities in a very negative way (DESIMATING THEIR ECONOMIES) Reagan was bad news to all Steel producing Towns and States. Most areas affected have not recovered to this day and may never.
I do not understand the bullet you gave me for my gun?
[/quote]
Protectionism was the disease.
Reagan was the cure.
Withdrawal symptoms hurt.
There, in a nutshell.[/quote]
Either you are an idiot or you do not know the damage done by the likes of that type of rhetoric. That is like justifying throwing the baby out with the bath water.
From the economyâ??s point of view, how is killing hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs and hundreds of big American businesses and all of their tax revenue good for America?
Your logic boggles the mind?
[/quote]
Bastiat “What is seen and what is not seen”
Hazlitt " Economics in one lesson"
See, all right there, at your fingertips.
It is almost as if providence has led you here to get a basic economic eduction.
Either you are an idiot or you do not know the damage done by the likes of that type of rhetoric. That is like justifying throwing the baby out with the bath water.
From the economy�?�¢??s point of view, how is killing hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs and hundreds of big American businesses and all of their tax revenue good for America?
Your logic boggles the mind?
[/quote]
Unions killed the market, Reagan fixed the strangle hold steel mills had on the market, and instead of the unions giving up some of there demands they just rode the steel industry into the ground. The high paying jobs you speak of where killing the rest of America.
If you want to be mad at anyone don’t be mad at Reagan but be mad at the unions that stalled/killed businesses. If there where no unions the steel industry would still be around.[/quote]
you are wrong , the Unions did not kill the Industry The Unions did not sign the bill[/quote]
He did not kill anything.
He removed the life support of a terminally ill patient.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
There are areas, such as alternative energy, that hold great potential benefit to the country. In the 1970’s, such an industry was unable to exist without governmental subsidies. [/quote]
As someone who works tangentially in the (Alternative) Energy sector, I can say that that industry is unable to exist without governmental subsidies NOW.[/quote]
so almost 40 years and it still can’t exist without government subsidies? Sounds like it is going no where fast.[/quote]
What would your choice be? Wait until everybody runs out of oil then worry about alternative to oil? Or do you believe the oil will last forever?[/quote]
No, it will slowly become more expensive and alternative energies will become competitive.
Right now, they are a waste of money and, just like with subsidizing the steel industry, the money that props up these jobs will not create even more jobs somewhere else in the economy.
What is seen are the jobs created, what is not seen are the jobs destroyed because jobs that never should have been created sucked the life right out of them.
No really, you should read some books on economics, because your gut instinct simply will not do.
Bush Sr. is not considered as successful as Reagan for one reason in particular: he had to increase taxes to pay off Reagan’s debts. Also, even John S. could lead the U.S. to relative prosperity after a World War.
Either you are an idiot or you do not know the damage done by the likes of that type of rhetoric. That is like justifying throwing the baby out with the bath water.
From the economy�??�?�¢??s point of view, how is killing hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs and hundreds of big American businesses and all of their tax revenue good for America?
Your logic boggles the mind?
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Unions killed the market, Reagan fixed the strangle hold steel mills had on the market, and instead of the unions giving up some of there demands they just rode the steel industry into the ground. The high paying jobs you speak of where killing the rest of America.
If you want to be mad at anyone don’t be mad at Reagan but be mad at the unions that stalled/killed businesses. If there where no unions the steel industry would still be around.[/quote]
you are wrong , the Unions did not kill the Industry The Unions did not sign the bill[/quote]
He did not kill anything.
He removed the life support of a terminally ill patient.
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You are wrong he forced American steel to compete with companies that that under pay their workers and had no environmental standards. American Steel spent allot of money protecting the environment. I was working then we had orders out the ass.
