Don’t wait for an intelligent response from him TB. Obama is not quite liberal enough for him. Ha…
I believe Mitt Romney to be in a pretty good position for winning the election at this point. It is somewhat surprising that he is in the position that he is considering the bruising primary, which I guess officially ends today I believe with voting in Texas.
What seems interesting and might upset the apple cart is if Obama ditches VP Joe Biden for his popular Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She might be interested in the position, but then again might not. With the way events are going, I’m not sure if that change that would be enough to pull out a victory for Obama. But it possibly might be what is needed to gain some fence sitters into the Obama camp with the belief of reviving the old times of the Bill Clinton years.
I read earlier that the President and Hillary Clinton were to meet today.
“The Hits Keep on Coming: Joe Biden Taking the Week Off”
[quote]Menthol wrote:
I believe Mitt Romney to be in a pretty good position for winning the election at this point. It is somewhat surprising that he is in the position that he is considering the bruising primary, which I guess officially ends today I believe with voting in Texas.
What seems interesting and might upset the apple cart is if Obama ditches VP Joe Biden for his popular Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She might be interested in the position, but then again might not. With the way events are going, I’m not sure if that change that would be enough to pull out a victory for Obama. But it possibly might be what is needed to gain some fence sitters into the Obama camp with the belief of reviving the old times of the Bill Clinton years.
I read earlier that the President and Hillary Clinton were to meet today.
“The Hits Keep on Coming: Joe Biden Taking the Week Off”
http://michellemalkin.com/2012/05/29/joe-biden-week-off/ [/quote]
As I’ve been saying that is Obama’s secret weapon vs Romney. He will ask her for sure, will she accept?
Who knows?
Clinton for Prez 2016
Brian how come no response?
You still think Obama is not liberal enough right?
As you said [quote]I was hoping for a much more liberal agenda…[/quote]
Are you hiding Brian?
ZEB,
I was doing stuff. Oddly my life includes a number of interests beyond this forum for example today I got my kids off to school, played some MW3, read part of the Mongoliad played some Black Ops, went to the gym, walked my dog, watched a movie, answered some questions on this site and then coached not one, but two games (modified softball and little league). Tomorrow looks even more exciting, only one game to coach but I am taking my kids to jiu-jitsu. I don’t call it hiding, I call it living, if I extend the calendar out to the weekend we are going camping, feel free to join us.
I read your post up there I just have no idea what you want me to respond to, I stated that I wanted a more liberal agenda it seems pretty clear, but here you go.
- Leave Afghanistan
- Close Gitmo
- Slash defense spending
- Increase education spending
- Eliminate student loan interest (paying banks for federal money is pretty stupid)
- Create an effective single payer health plan (no middle man unlike Obamacare)
- Legalize Gay Marriage Federally
- Legalize weed
- Lower corporate tax rates while taxing (tariffs) the ass out of companies that re-headquarter outside of the US
- Do away with mandatory minimum sentencing.
- Create effective job training programs for the poor and middle class
- develop an effective transition strategy for returning veterans.
I could go on and on but you get the idea.
ZEB,
I was doing stuff. Oddly my life includes a number of interests beyond this forum for example today I got my kids off to school, played some MW3, read part of the Mongoliad played some Black Ops, went to the gym, walked my dog, watched a movie, answered some questions on this site and then coached not one, but two games (modified softball and little league). Tomorrow looks even more exciting, only one game to coach but I am taking my kids to jiu-jitsu. I don’t call it hiding, I call it living, if I extend the calendar out to the weekend we are going camping, feel free to join us.
I read your post up there I just have no idea what you want me to respond to, I stated that I wanted a more liberal agenda it seems pretty clear, but here you go.
- Leave Afghanistan
- Close Gitmo
- Slash defense spending
- Increase education spending
- Eliminate student loan interest (paying banks for federal money is pretty stupid)
- Create an effective single payer health plan (no middle man unlike Obamacare)
- Legalize Gay Marriage Federally
- Legalize weed
- Lower corporate tax rates while taxing (tariffs) the ass out of companies that re-headquarter outside of the US
- Do away with mandatory minimum sentencing.
- Create effective job training programs for the poor and middle class
- develop an effective transition strategy for returning veterans.
I could go on and on but you get the idea.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
ZEB,
I was doing stuff. Oddly my life includes a number of interests beyond this forum for example today I got my kids off to school, played some MW3, read part of the Mongoliad played some Black Ops, went to the gym, walked my dog, watched a movie, answered some questions on this site and then coached not one, but two games (modified softball and little league).[/quote]
Yawn
Exciting? Ooookay…
[quote]I read your post up there I just have no idea what you want me to respond to, I stated that I wanted a more liberal agenda it seems pretty clear, but here you go.
- Leave Afghanistan
- Close Gitmo
- Slash defense spending
- Increase education spending
- Eliminate student loan interest (paying banks for federal money is pretty stupid)
- Create an effective single payer health plan (no middle man unlike Obamacare)
- Legalize Gay Marriage Federally
- Legalize weed
- Lower corporate tax rates while taxing (tariffs) the ass out of companies that re-headquarter outside of the US
- Do away with mandatory minimum sentencing.
- Create effective job training programs for the poor and middle class
- develop an effective transition strategy for returning veterans.
I could go on and on but you get the idea.
[/quote]
Well, I guess it’s a crying shame that THE most liberal man to hold the office of President in modern times is not liberal enough for you.
And speaking of liberalism why is it that liberal policies that you are in favor of have failed to reduce poverty (and have in fact increased it)? And this is after spending trillions over the past 50 years to lift the disadvantaged out of poverty.
Think we need to spend more money B r i a n?
Will more money do it B r i a n?
Or…is liberalism a failed to help the poor and in fact done more harm than good?
Now I know that video games are a big part of your life and you find them exciting (eye brows raised) but don’t run off to play them until you give me an answer to this question which you’ve been ducking for several days.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
…
Think we need to spend more money B r i a n?
Will more money do it B r i a n?
…
[/quote]
I’m just curious because I’m sure there must be a reason and I just must have missed it, but why do you write his name out as “B r i a n,” Zeb?
Cortes,
I myself have no idea, but I like the clarity of it.
ZEB,
You must have missed the part about lowering corporate tax rates, or are you against that as well.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Cortes,
I myself have no idea, but I like the clarity of it.
ZEB,
You must have missed the part about lowering corporate tax rates, or are you against that as well.[/quote]
We have the highest corporate tax rates of any industrialized country - So good for you for seeing the obvious! BRAVO!
Now care to answer my question above or are you going to duck it for several more days…B r i a n?
Romney’s Biggest Test?
He won’t have one. If current jobs figures and unemployment rate remain stagnant (read a statistic today that there are FIVE MILLION less jobs in the USA than there were pre-recession) he’ll have it handed to him on a plate. The fall of Lehman Brothers was the main catalyst for Obama getting elected, which makes this doubly ironic.
I think a few more months of poor economic data, compounded by the Eurozone crisis, and it’s Romney’s to lose.
ZEB,
The programs have failed because they have been poorly run, they have included little or no accountability, they have been cumbersome and ineffective in demonstrating the point that they are designed to be a stop gap measure, something to help people get back on their feet allowing for people to re-enter the workforce with new skills and abilities.
The programs, have to this point, merely thrown a wrench into the motivation of a whole class of people, this combined with the lure of easy money form illicit activities has created entire zip codes with HS graduation rates below 15%, and incarceration rates above 20%, that is why they have failed.
The programs need to be streamlined, they need to be time limited and they need to have clear and attainable goals for the participants.
I am in favor of all of that, why aren’t you?
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
It’s often been mentioned here about Romney having to navigate the “MSLM”; Dems; liberal’s; the Obama “Assault” etc. in order to Win the election.
While those things certainly have some validity; I think that as a candidate; and the MOST that he has grown over the past 4-8 years is in his ability to navigate the mindfield that is other Conservatives. (Many felt that it was a gutsy move for him to deliver the commencement address at a mostly Evangelical University…and many feel that he did well).
And there is no need to even mention the 2012 Republican Primaries.
So…while he will certainly have to deal with the “MSLM” and an assault from the Dems…I think that his biggest test will be in not making any major gaffs with the Conservative Base.
Thoughts?
Mufasa
[/quote]
The way the world economy is collapsing, all Romney has to do is smile and nod and he becomes POTUS.
By November, as ‘Obama-villes’ begin to spring up around the country, it’ll be a landslide for Romney.
One sad result – no decent black person will be able to run for at least 20 years because of the Obama disaster. Obama spoiled it for guys like Allen West.
[quote]Menthol wrote:
I believe Mitt Romney to be in a pretty good position for winning the election at this point. It is somewhat surprising that he is in the position that he is considering the bruising primary, which I guess officially ends today I believe with voting in Texas.
What seems interesting and might upset the apple cart is if Obama ditches VP Joe Biden for his popular Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She might be interested in the position, but then again might not. With the way events are going, I’m not sure if that change that would be enough to pull out a victory for Obama. But it possibly might be what is needed to gain some fence sitters into the Obama camp with the belief of reviving the old times of the Bill Clinton years.
I read earlier that the President and Hillary Clinton were to meet today.
“The Hits Keep on Coming: Joe Biden Taking the Week Off”
http://michellemalkin.com/2012/05/29/joe-biden-week-off/ [/quote]
Whitewater potentially in the White House…LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!
She’s as evil as Obama but actually has a brain. We’d REALLY be fucked if she gets any power!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
It’s often been mentioned here about Romney having to navigate the “MSLM”; Dems; liberal’s; the Obama “Assault” etc. in order to Win the election.
While those things certainly have some validity; I think that as a candidate; and the MOST that he has grown over the past 4-8 years is in his ability to navigate the mindfield that is other Conservatives. (Many felt that it was a gutsy move for him to deliver the commencement address at a mostly Evangelical University…and many feel that he did well).
And there is no need to even mention the 2012 Republican Primaries.
So…while he will certainly have to deal with the “MSLM” and an assault from the Dems…I think that his biggest test will be in not making any major gaffs with the Conservative Base.
Thoughts?
Mufasa
[/quote]
The way the world economy is collapsing, all Romney has to do is smile and nod and he becomes POTUS.
By November, as ‘Obama-villes’ begin to spring up around the country, it’ll be a landslide for Romney.
One sad result – no decent black person will be able to run for at least 20 years because of the Obama disaster. Obama spoiled it for guys like Allen West.
[/quote]
My God I agree with one third of what you say (the first sentence)
I’m going to have to go lie down
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
ZEB,
The programs have failed because they have been poorly run, they have included little or no accountability, they have been cumbersome and ineffective in demonstrating the point that they are designed to be a stop gap measure, something to help people get back on their feet allowing for people to re-enter the workforce with new skills and abilities.
The programs, have to this point, merely thrown a wrench into the motivation of a whole class of people, this combined with the lure of easy money form illicit activities has created entire zip codes with HS graduation rates below 15%, and incarceration rates above 20%, that is why they have failed.
The programs need to be streamlined, they need to be time limited and they need to have clear and attainable goals for the participants.
I am in favor of all of that, why aren’t you?[/quote]
Very good I agree with most of what you’ve said. For the first time on the PWI forum you’ve actually made sense. In essence what you’ve said is that liberalism has failed the poor. And you are 100% correct.
Whenever we throw money at poverty all we get is more poverty. Helping someone temporarily is the moral thing to do. Giving them money for a lifetime creates generations of poverty.
ZEB,
“Helping someone temporarily is the moral thing to do. Giving them money for a lifetime creates generations of poverty.”
yeah, i think most people on my side of the aisle feel that way as well. i am all for social programs, but i want a measurable outcome, if the program fails, shitcan it and try something new, it just seems that in this political climate the other side wants to shitcan the programs without a back-up plan.
i don’t know anyone that is in favor of keeping generations of poor on the dole for an indeterminate (cradle to grave) period of time.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
ZEB,
“Helping someone temporarily is the moral thing to do. Giving them money for a lifetime creates generations of poverty.”
yeah, i think most people on my side of the aisle feel that way as well. i am all for social programs, but i want a measurable outcome, if the program fails, shitcan it and try something new, it just seems that in this political climate the other side wants to shitcan the programs without a back-up plan.
i don’t know anyone that is in favor of keeping generations of poor on the dole for an indeterminate (cradle to grave) period of time.[/quote]
Not many on your side of the aisle feels that way. If they did we wouldn’t have extended unemployment to two freaking years!
We wouldn’t have healthy people on welfare for a lifetime!
We wouldn’t have the biggest government take over in the history of our country called Obamacare!
Your party is full of weak kneed pandering idiots who appeal to the lowest common denominator in order to get elected and reelected.
We now have generations of proof that liberalism has failed!
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
ZEB,
“Helping someone temporarily is the moral thing to do. Giving them money for a lifetime creates generations of poverty.”
yeah, i think most people on my side of the aisle feel that way as well. i am all for social programs, but i want a measurable outcome, if the program fails, shitcan it and try something new, it just seems that in this political climate the other side wants to shitcan the programs without a back-up plan.
i don’t know anyone that is in favor of keeping generations of poor on the dole for an indeterminate (cradle to grave) period of time.[/quote]
Bill Clinton was the last to tweak Welfare , I would post a link but my internet speed is slower than dial up