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Roger Clemens on 60 Minutes

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-01-06-clemens-60minutes_N.htm

For those that didnt get to see the entire interview, not much happened other than what was expected. There were a few quotes that I found funny however:

“My body never changed,” Clemens said. “If he’s putting that stuff up in my body, if what he’s saying which is totally false, if he’s doing that to me, I should have a third ear coming out of my forehead. I should be pulling tractors with my teeth.”

I guess roids fucking mutate you into the Toxic Avenger. I personally think he did it (dont even really have a problem with him doing it) but I cant stand how athelets act like the fans are total morons. I love how he had the attitude like, “hey, I dont fucking look like Ronnie Coleman so I couldnt have taken steroids or HGH;” Did you ever hear of fucking 165lb Rick Ankiel or maybe 150lb Sugar Shane Moseley? Marion Jones?

JUST FUCKING SAY YOU DID IT (assuming he did), look at your boy Andy Pettite, nobody gives a shit. Just dont play us for fools, hell ticket prices and concession are crazy, if I spend that much on a game you better be on that shit because I dont want to see a team full of David Ecksteins slapping the ball around for singles. And bullshit pitching from fatass David Wells. If I see Rafael Palmerio I am going to kick him in his porn stache for his a la Bill Clinton “I did not have sex with that woman” stand in front of Congress.

Opinions?

you summed it up to a T for me. I respect Pettite for manning up and admitting it. I firmly beleive clemens did it. And if you deny it even if you did it, it’s like sleeping with that fat chick and then having your friends find out.

[quote]BWBurner wrote:
you summed it up to a T for me. I respect Pettite for manning up and admitting it. I firmly beleive clemens did it. And if you deny it even if you did it, it’s like sleeping with that fat chick and then having your friends find out.[/quote]

This is the problem. You have no fucking clue if Clemens did anything. Not a lick of proof. None. You have the word of a guy that was threatened with prison if he didn’t talk.

Why do you believe Clemens took AAS? What proof do you have? You are just another villager in the witch hunt.

If the Mitchell Report proves anything, it proves that one needs no fucking proof whatsoever to ruin a man’s reputation with just the mention of his name.

It’s like Clemens said in the interview - the damage has been done, and regardless of how innocent he is, he will always be seen as a cheater.

I hope he sues the dogshit out of his former trainer and that piece of shit Mitchell.

[quote]rainjack wrote:

You have the word of a guy that was threatened with prison if he didn’t talk.

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Exactly, so he decided to rat on his colleagues. McNamee, squealer that he is, is an ex-cop who recently began cooperating with federal investigators after being confronted with evidence that he received steroids from Radomski and was acting as a “sub-distributor.”

This prick is no angel. While working for the Yankees in October 2001, McNamee was questioned by Florida cops in connection with the alleged sexual assault of woman in a St. Petersburg hotel pool. The woman claimed the attack came after she unknowingly ingested GHB, the so-called date rape drug. Prosecutors later declined to press charges against McNamee, who cops said was found naked in the pool “thrusting himself” into the groggy woman.

This guy is lower than a snake’s belly. Resorting to date rape? Christ Almighty, this crap just makes me sick.

Go to http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/mitchell/index.jsp to read the Mitchell Report and see for yourself what absolute shit our tax dollars are funding.

Rainjack, I do agree with you that there is no real proof, I guess my real problem is that I see this turning into another “Pete Rose”, in 20 years i dont want “i didnt do it, i didnt do it” to turn into you know what “I did it, oh and buy my new book.”

Its a sad day when I believe Jose Canseco more than anyone else on the planet.

Clemens is/has always been one of my favorites, I just find it hard to believe that Pettite did it and somehow he didnt, but that really isnt fair to him I guess…

[quote]dk44 wrote:
Rainjack, I do agree with you that there is no real proof, I guess my real problem is that I see this turning into another “Pete Rose”, in 20 years i dont want “i didnt do it, i didnt do it” to turn into you know what “I did it, oh and buy my new book.”

Its a sad day when I believe Jose Canseco more than anyone else on the planet.

Clemens is/has always been one of my favorites, I just find it hard to believe that Pettite did it and somehow he didnt, but that really isnt fair to him I guess…
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I think the Pete Rose saga is different than what is going on currently. But that is neither here, nor there.

Supposedly, you are innocent until proven guilty. No one has an ounce of proof against Clemens. If they did, it would be made public. All there is to go on is the word of his former trainer, who testified under the thumb of the feds. No court in the country would admit here say as evidence, yet the press, and George Mitchell came in their pants over rumors.

Clemens is arguably the greatest pitcher the game has ever seen. And all the respect and accolades due him for being the greatest was stripped away in an instant on the word of a rat, and the the idiocy of a politician.

Clemens is suing McNamee (sp), and he should also sue MLB, and George Mitchell.

On another note, why in the hell does Congress have such a hard-on for baseball, I know this goes back to assumptions, but maybe look at the nfl too, or quit wasting money on all this bullshit to begin with.

[quote]dk44 wrote:
On another note, why in the hell does Congress have such a hard-on for baseball, I know this goes back to assumptions, but maybe look at the nfl too, or quit wasting money on all this bullshit to begin with.

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I think it has something to do with the government granting baseball an anti-trust exemption.

But even still - you are right. What business does congress have getting into baseball’s business?

The NFL is not as hallowed as baseball. Records in football do not carry the weight that the records of baseball carry. If no records would have been broken, I doubt you would see the witch hunt that is going on now.

The thing that gets me is that Mitchell is pretty much coming down on the players by naming names. Where are the owners in all of this? At the very least they are culpable, and could very well be in conspiracy with the players.

Who made all the damn money from McGuire/Sosa, Bonds’ 73 homer season, and Bonds’ chase for 755? The long ball saved baseball, and the owners knew damn good and well what was happening. They were happy to pay big bucks to hear the crack of the bats.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
dk44 wrote:
On another note, why in the hell does Congress have such a hard-on for baseball, I know this goes back to assumptions, but maybe look at the nfl too, or quit wasting money on all this bullshit to begin with.

I think it has something to do with the government granting baseball an anti-trust exemption.

But even still - you are right. What business does congress have getting into baseball’s business?

The NFL is not as hallowed as baseball. Records in football do not carry the weight that the records of baseball carry. If no records would have been broken, I doubt you would see the witch hunt that is going on now.

The thing that gets me is that Mitchell is pretty much coming down on the players by naming names. Where are the owners in all of this? At the very least they are culpable, and could very well be in conspiracy with the players.

Who made all the damn money from McGuire/Sosa, Bonds’ 73 homer season, and Bonds’ chase for 755? The long ball saved baseball, and the owners knew damn good and well what was happening. They were happy to pay big bucks to hear the crack of the bats.

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I agree with you on these points, but I still think Clemons is lying. I though he was using for awhile. I base this on only the opinion that I’ve years. And i understnad why they lie.

The public perception of steroids hovers around the crystal meth/crack level. You can’t admit to it.

But I’ve know guys that used, guys that sold, some at high levels. These fellows told me of people that were using. Many people who said they were drug free, see my above reasons, but were alter proven to users.

And don’t give me Marion Jones and her admission. She denied it for years until they had indisputable proof. this is what people do and what they will do.

Funny how people aren’t talking about his now that someone other than Barry Bonds is accused.

Baseball has to do a few things: 1. get off their high horse summer game idyllic crap. They’re entertainment like any other sport. They lost that summer game romance stuff when they added more playoffs for money and put all the games on at night. As a 11 and 12 year old little leaguer my favorite team, the Reds won two world series. I watched all the games and loved it. Now with all the bs rounds and 7 game series nonsense it’s hard for a kid to see a game at night during school years.

Baseball sold out for the money and new damn well about steroid usage. This a bs ploy by the owners to get the upper hand when they knew what was happening all the time.

  1. They need to stop all this bs about how shocked they are and didn’t know and so on and just move forward with a solid testing policy. There should be no talk about asterisks and such with any suspected user. They should ahve come out and said, there was no positive drug test for these fellows at this time. Even though they didn’t have them.

Just move forward, test and figure out what to do in the future.

I agree with just about everything you said. Maybe Clemens did use. Maybe he didn’t. There is no proof. If the greatest pitcher in the game says he’s clean - I am going to believe him until there is proof to the contrary.

I don’t think this issue can move forward until the owners admit to their part of the guilt.

I don’t know if he used, either. But I suspected for years (since he got better as he got older). However, he made a mistake by coming out as he did. The guilty usually protest the most when accused. Now he is suing his trainer for defamation, which is another mistake. Roger, let it go.

The longer you stay in the public eye the worse it will look for you. By the way, did anybody notice that with the Mitchell report coming out this year his production fell off dramatically? Was it because he didn’t want to take the chance of getting caught using? I’m just saying.

[quote]dk44 wrote:
On another note, why in the hell does Congress have such a hard-on for baseball, I know this goes back to assumptions, but maybe look at the nfl too, or quit wasting money on all this bullshit to begin with.

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It’s because baseball generates more excitement with its records and stats than through the game itself. It’s the one sport in which history is more important than the present.

One of the things that jumped out at me during the hearings a few years ago was a question/statement by (senile) Jim Bunning in which he protested rather vociferously how wrong it was that athletes were getting better as they aged rather than falling apart physically. When put in these terms I don’t see how it is that the public doesn’t turn and say, “wait a minute, uh, can I have some”, rather than continuing the inquisition.

If Clemens used peptides to keep healthy and extend his career then I say good for him. He was talented before and he’s talented now. The difference is that while other pitchers are crippled by his age he’s still world class. However he got to this point, I say good for him.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
I agree with just about everything you said. Maybe Clemens did use. Maybe he didn’t. There is no proof. If the greatest pitcher in the game says he’s clean - I am going to believe him until there is proof to the contrary.

I don’t think this issue can move forward until the owners admit to their part of the guilt. [/quote]

I agree. You have to take the person’s word for it, and they are innocent until proven guilty. No matter how much stuff the media says or they try to sway you one way or the other, unless you personally know the individual or personally involved in the situation, it is all speculation.

The owners should definitely admit their guilt. As mentioned before, the long ball season of 1998 saved baseball. From an owner’s perspective, the home run surge put more cheeks in the seats, which in turn, they made more $$$, and it seemed like they would do anything to make money, regardless of what was going on with performance-enhancing drugs. Seemed like they turned the other way.

One thing that could come up in the future (assuming Clemens did take AAS) is when/if Andy Pettite has to appear in front of Congress. A little background on Andy; He is a devout Christian and proclaims as much, he has written many testimonials announcing his faith.

Well what if he takes the stand and they ask him “Did you see, or do you know, if Roger Clemens took AAS?,” I cant see him lying on a bible oath and I cant see him turning on his friend, but at that point I think it would hurt Clemens if Pettite said “no comment” or something like that.

Baseball should just say what happened has happened, and from here on out actually test for the shit, I dont want anymore he said/she said, I want concrete evidence or quit wasting my time.

did he remind anyone else of ricky bobby from talledaga nights. “the higher you get up the flagpole the more your butt shows” lol classic. “i was eating vioxx like they were skittles” i had a good laugh.
I think it should be mandatory that all pro-baseball players are on the juice and lifting like their life depends on it.

[quote]etaco wrote:
One of the things that jumped out at me during the hearings a few years ago was a question/statement by (senile) Jim Bunning in which he protested rather vociferously how wrong it was that athletes were getting better as they aged rather than falling apart physically. When put in these terms [b]I don’t see how it is that the public doesn’t turn and say, “wait a minute, uh, can I have some”, rather than continuing the inquisition.

If Clemens used peptides to keep healthy and extend his career then I say good for him.[/b] He was talented before and he’s talented now. The difference is that while other pitchers are crippled by his age he’s still world class. However he got to this point, I say good for him.[/quote]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
I agree with just about everything you said. Maybe Clemens did use. Maybe he didn’t. There is no proof. If the greatest pitcher in the game says he’s clean - I am going to believe him until there is proof to the contrary.

I don’t think this issue can move forward until the owners admit to their part of the guilt. [/quote]

Ding, ding, ding,

This just in, Roger Clemens comes clean about steroid use:

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1795065

Did anyone see the press conferance? That phone call sure sounded as if Macnamee was begging Roger to bail him out of all this.
What do you want me to do? I’ll do anything. I’ll go to jail. Just tell me what you want me to do.

Sounded like a guilty concious to me.

50x

Only thing I didnt like about the phone tape, (may have been for legal reasons), is if I am Clemens I’m gonna be yelling “why in the fuck did you lie, you cocksucker” and he never hinted at that, to me it was more of a “why did you rat me out, we were boys.” If your gonna tape the call get him to admit he lied about it.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
I agree with just about everything you said. Maybe Clemens did use. Maybe he didn’t. There is no proof. If the greatest pitcher in the game says he’s clean - I am going to believe him until there is proof to the contrary.

I don’t think this issue can move forward until the owners admit to their part of the guilt. [/quote]

Exactly, I think he used, Bonds used and most accused used. they didn’t test, these guys are competitive and making bazillions, so I think it happened.

But the owners are as much to blame. The Mitchell report is just a way for the owners to get the upper hand wneh they were just as much to blame.

Baseball is in a serious lurch.they want their fans to buy this summer game crap with 6.50 beers, 20 dollar parking and so on. i make a good buck and sometimes find it hard to take my family to a Phillies game. It would be about 170.00 for the tickets and parking, 30 for gas, and about 125.00 more for food and such, considering we would need one family meal and some ballpark snacks.

I normally say screw it and go see some minor league ball, which ends up costing about 50-75 bucks total for a game.