Rob's 2017 Contest Prep Thread

When you do a front-relaxed or a front lat spread, your shoulder to waist ratio is fantastic. I have no idea how wide you actually are in real life, but that ratio provides an amazing illusion of width. Because of that, I would hazard a recommendation on your side poses: Turn your upper body toward the judges as much as is practicable to give more of that width.

As for the most muscular pose at the bottom - that’s a great pose for you. Really showcases your delt development, your arms look really shapely, your ab development is pretty sick, and amidst all those compliments, your chest doesn’t get lost at all (which is really impressive!). I’m not sure if it’s the lighting or the dark curtain as a backdrop, but I wish more lats were visible in that pose…

Hopefully the legs continue to get tighter and to seperate more. I know they’re constantly inflamed from the leg days and the constant cardio, but your glute-ham area is looking pretty damn good. Hopefully that same progress will keep going in the quads too.

I’ve never posed in bikini-cut bottoms before, so I don’t know how high up my quad insertions go/are visible, so take this with a grain of salt: In your three front poses, your quad insertions seem SO high up your leg…very impressive. I guess I’ll have to pose (and get made fun of by the lady) to see where mine are.

Usually, when I look at your side shots, I’m so focused on seeing how your hamstrings are looking that I rarely pay attention to your upper body. But the chest striations in your side chest pose are impressive, man.

Keep on the grind, brother…you’re only going to get tighter with more striations and feathering. Your work ethic always astounds and impresses me.

BTW – because I’m lazy and I don’t want to search for it…you said your email is this username @?.com?

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Dude thank you so much for your kind words and awesome tips!

Definitely will work on this!

Interesting you mention that, I’ve been playing with the best way to do this. If I flex/showcase my traps, the lats disappear a bit, and vice versa. Although, I think showcasing lats for this pose is the way to go, will work on this as well.

Yeah they’re finally coming in well, I really have to think about flexing that area to make sure it’s all visible. Getting used to flexing the legs hard all the time took a while, still working on it as the show gets closer with more frequent posing practice.

username at verizon dot net.

Cool beans – Once I get my thoughts together, I’ll shoot you an email in a few days. Unless you’d rather me wait until after your show in a few weeks when you can think more clearly/whatever.

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All good man, please feel free reach out anytime it’d be great to get in touch!

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@staystrong sorry it’s taken me a couple days here, thanks for your patience! Let’s do it!

Yes, the last set is very challenging, but I typically can always get the last rep. I typically rarely ever go to fail, and usually leave one “in the tank.” Sometimes I’ll go to concentric failure, so to the point where I could probably squeak out one or two more, but at that point would be using more body momentum than I like, and wouldn’t really be keeping the tension in the desired muscle.

Just my thoughts here, not saying “this is how it should be done” or whatever, I think constantly trying to add weight and going to fail is a recipe for never making gains. I think adding weight over time is a good way to go, but not necessarily for each and every session. If I’m going for four sets of 10, after my warm ups, I’m going to pick a weight that I can do a “hard 10”, with as much intensity as possible while making sure I’m isolating the muscle. On the first set, the 10th rep is hard, I leave one or two in the tank, rest a minute, and repeat. I think going truly going to fail is pretty damaging and should only be done sparingly.

I firmly believe that in the grand scheme of progress, if you’re lifting hard, consistently, week in and out, you’ll make much more consistent progress training with max intensity, leaving one in the tank, making sure you’re contracting the working muscle, and just letting time do its thing, and focusing on nutrition and recovery. This is especially true if you’re a natural. If you’re assisted, you can probably get away with more going to failure and still recover and grow.

You don’t want to do a weight that’s easy enough that you don’t feel like you have to work really hard to do it. But again, I think trying to go heavier set to set all the time is more of an ego booster than muscle builder. For example, let’s say you want to do 4 sets. If you’re going to ramp up every set, that means the first set has to be light enough that it’s not very challenging, or the first set is hard and the last set is so heavy you’re not isolating the muscle properly. I’ve made significant improvement in my training and physique by getting a couple good feeler sets in, get to my working weight and ride that out. If I’m on the second set and I feel strong, like I know I could move up a little bit, I will, but I’m talking slightly. No more than 10%, then ride that out.

Sure. I go by feel, some exercises move up quicker than others. So let’s use your example of 4x15 with 20lbs dumbbells. I like to use rep ranges as it gives me some wiggle room. So, instead of 4x15, I’ll do 4x 12-15. On the 4th set, I’ll do 22.5lbs instead of 20, and get 12, maybe even 10. Next workout, maybe I’ll try moving up on the 3rd set if I feel I can do it. Another thing to consider is that not all exercises need to/should be ramped. For example, shoulders were a top priority for me in the off season. I wanted to get stronger on my isolation exercises, so I started doing seated DB presses for 5x5, and did that for about 8 weeks. First week I did all the same weight, all 5 sets. Next week I felt a little stronger, so I’d do the first 3-4 sets at the weight of the previous week, then move up the last set. Gradually, I was able to keep moving up until all 5 sets would be at a new, heavier weight. Lather rinse repeat, you can do the same with any exercise. Some exercises like alternating front raises, I’ve been able to move up significantly, recently I’ve been able to do 4 sets of 40sx10. But, for lateral raises, I can’t get that much. I have no problem using the same weight for an exercise every week, as long as I feel I’m working the muscle, and am getting generally stronger over time.

So to summarize, I am generally not a fan of moving up in weight set to set on a regular basis. I think in the long run, one will make better gains focusing on a solid MMC, and thinking more about consistency of proper training, nutrition and recovery, and long term gains, rather than constantly going to failure.

Hope this helps man, if there’s anything I can be more specific about please let me know!

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Man you don’t need to apologize because it takes you a couple days to give me a free awesome detailed response lol, I appreciate you taking time out of your busy life reply though!

So are there times where from week to week you might do the same exercise with the same weight, sets, and reps and not worry about trying to add an weight or reps or sets from the last session or 2? Like would you continue doing 4x10 at the same weight for a couple weeks until it feels easier and you are ready to bump up the weight slightly for at least a set or 2?

I have it stuck in my head that I need to beat last week somehow or else my body has no reason to get bigger or stronger. Best way to show what I’m struggling with: for example, my chest day my 3rd exercise is incline db bench. If I managed to squeak out 3x9 with 60s last week, when this week come around I go for 3x10 and very likely will fail to get 3x10 but I’ll keep trying for 3x10 every week until I get it then move to 3x11 or else bump the weight up and start back on 3x8 and work up to 3x10 again. Now this is my 3rd lift of the day so it’s obviously effected by how the first 2 lifts went. Yet in my head if I get 3x9 with 60s for my 3rd exercise of the day last week, I have this mindset that doing 3x9 this week will mean I’m not making any progress. it feels foreign to me that if I did 3x9 with 60s multiple weeks in a row that I would make any progress you know?

Then again my progress has been poor to say the least for longer than it’s acceptable so clearly my method isn’t great and I need to figure out what others are doing differently.

Sorry about the long post, it’s a bad habit of mine where I can’t explain things online shortly so I ramble and take up a lot of space in your awesome thread about all the great work you’ve been doing. So keep killing it with the prep and if you manage to get some time I would look forward to anything you wanted to add!

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Down another pound today, 144.4, almost the same weight I was at the Hercules last year AFTER depleting water, I was 148 at the beginning of peak week. I may find myself under 140 by the time the show rolls around, crazy.

On my log here I always want to give a realistic, no BS insight into contest prepping. Today I feel pretty damn terrible. Another night of broken sleep, currently in zombie mode. Very achy, running on fumes. I remember last year the first time I felt this way it was a little unsettling, but I’m used to it now so I know to expect it, embrace it, and know, (as my wife and I like to joke around) the only way to get to “Shredtown” is through “Sufferville.”

Sure, you start your prep and you say, Sufferville?! Bring it! I can’t wait! But once you arrive, you realize you’re in Mordor, there are Orcs everywhere, and every now and then you think to yourself, will I be able to survive and get to Shredtown? I can’t imagine being in Mordor any longer.

But then…THEN…you pull down your helmet, you grab your f@cking sword, you face that f@ucking mountain you have to climb to get to Shredtown, and you scream a war cry so loud that the Earth shakes under your feet, and you STORM THAT MOUNTAIN. You cut off the head of every god damn thing that gets in your way, and you start seeing glimpses of the borders of Shredtown and it only makes you push harder to get there, relentless in your pursuit of excellence. I’m not there yet, but mark my words I will not stop until I’m standing in the center Shredtown!

(I feel a little better now) :blush:

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Favorite meal of the day, chicken salad cereal bowl.

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Yes, absolutely, this is typically how it goes for all of my isolation work. If you think about it, if you were able to successfully move up every workout, you’d be concentration curling 150lb dumbbells by Christmas lol. There is a limit to how strong and heavy you can go with any lift, especially isolation work. Again the most important thing is concentrating on a great MMC and intensity. Varying exercises and rep ranges also helps too. So maybe you do 4x10 for 6-8 weeks, and when you feel you can’t move up in weight anymore, opt for 3x 12-15, or 5x5 depending on the exercise, or keep 4x 10-12 and just rotate exercises.

I completely understand, and used to feel that way myself! My best gains came once I really got into the bodybuilding mentality of training. The weight in your hands is a tool, not a number. The point of doing a bicep curl is to make your bicep bigger, so if you want to go heavier, but it won’t allow you to contract the muscle and work it properly, why would you use it? Use the tool that will get the job done. Your body will continue to grow and get stronger if you program properly over time and have a solid MMC, no doubt about it.

Definitely understand ya there brother. But again, how strong/how much can you really grow in a week? A lot of my isolation exercises I haven’t gone up in a while, some of them I have. I go by feel every day. If I feel strong, I’ll go heavier. If I don’t, I’m not gonna try to do something that’s not optimal just because I feel I need to beat last week’s numbers. Your body has no idea what your number was last week, or the weight that’s in your hand. All it understands is perceived exertion, so it’s really going to take some long term thinking and programming. I always hope to be able to match my working set from the previous week, if I’m feeling good the last set I’ll move up. If the next week I can’t feel the pump with that weight, I’ll move down and not give it a second thought.

Just want to make clear, I am not saying you shouldn’t try to get stronger or improve! But, these improvements should be thought about in the long term, and I believe definitely not trying to ramp up every set, or every session, or week to week. I think I wrote about this earlier in the log, this is why I stopped using a workout log, because I felt I had to keep beating my numbers and my progress certainly stalled. Workout journals definitely have their place and I’m not saying they shouldn’t be utilized, but feeling like you always have to beat your numbers day by day or week to week, IMO, is going to hinder your gains.

It’s also taken me a while to figure this out, but after being into bodybuilding and hitting the gym 5-7 days a week without fail for a few years now, I’ve realized there’s only so much “improvement” that can be made week to week; it’s a never ending marathon.

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I think you just put my soul into words.

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This took a long time to actually nail down for me, “What program works best?” “The one you’ll stick with.”

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I appreciate the response again, it makes sense when you explain it! Now just have to make it continue making sense once I hit the gym tomorrow lol.

Good luck with the rest of the prep, I’ll be following along and cheering you on!

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Dog porn, yet again.

You look really good, #nohomo.

Legs not as separated as the arms and chest, but we know they come in last, so props.

I honestly believe you might come in at 138 and be bigger than last year. Looking very tight, and when the legs come in and you refeed, BOOM!

Really enjoying the journey!

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@IronAndMetal lol! Thanks man! Looking forward to getting in touch bro.

@Despade Absolutely, same goes for nutrition!

@staystrong always glad to offer any words I can brother, keep killing your workouts and please always feel free to post anytime. Thanks for following along!

LOL, NOW I know why you’re always checking out these posts! Thanks a lot for the kind words man. You are definitely spot on, legs come in last for me, they’ve been more sore now that I’m doing the LISS every morning. That being said, I’m ecstatic that they’re already tighter than last year, and knowing we’re going to start tapering cardio two weeks out, hoping for the best. I’m also realizing that last year while I kept telling myself, and really truly thought, that I was holding water and my legs were super inflamed, while they were to a degree, I just wasn’t lean enough. Right now they’re getting tighter, and I agree with you that I could very well be ~138 after depletion, refeed and be bigger than last year. Hoping it’ll all come together!

I just want to say how much I appreciate anyone who takes the time to follow along on here, it’s a great community on these forums and really provides a great outlet throughout the prep. Thanks for all the motivation and encouragement gang, it means more than you know.

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It’s crazy how much feelings/energy can change day to day, even hour to hour. The first half of the day today was brutal, but once I got my pre workout meal in me and got to the gym, I felt great! Had a PR on my last set of seated dumbbell shoulder presses at 75’s for 8, lots of energy, and had a very solid delt, tricep, calves and 30min LISS session. Sauna for 15min as usual afterwards.

Booked a 90min deep tissue massage for next Sunday, can’t wait for that.

Tomorrow may present some challenges. We have a family event early in the day far from the house, so I need to wake up 2.5 hours earlier than usual to ensure I get the morning LISS in, then spread 1650 cals over the course of the day, going 4 hours between meals with the HIIT workout in the afternoon. I’d still rather do 5 meals than split the calories into 6 meals, and just deal with the hunger. It’s really not even hunger pains at this stage, more so than just kind of shutting down and feeling dulled to what’s going on around you. But, fake it till ya make it, put a smile on that face, because NO ONE CARES what you’re going through during a prep except you. Gonna keep pushing and think about the glorious high day on Friday!

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I noted from earlier in the thread you eschew the standard Biotest fare intra-WO, i.e. Plazma, yet use a lot of their products elsewhere. What’s your rationale on peri-WO supplementation? Great updates, as always.

JB

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4 hours of sleep last night, best of the week!

@JamesBrawn007, you are correct sir, during contest prep I still use pretty much everything Biotest has to offer, except Plazma. I LOVE me some Plazma in the off season! During the prep every calorie counts, including liquids like Plazma. So, when calories are minimal like that, it’s just because I’d rather eat them than drink them. I still love my pre-workout Finibar every day, and take pretty much their entire stock, including HOT-ROX, Rez-V, Indigo-3G, Micro-PA, Flameout, Circumin, Caffeine Free Brain Candy and Elite Pro Minerals.

I still think intra-workout supplementation is vital especially on a prep, and I do most of my cardio after weights, so I want to make sure my muscles are protected and “insured” after my weight session, so I make my own concoction of BCAA, Glutamine, Citruline Malate 2:1, Betaine and Beta Alanine. I also drink 16oz of water with BCAA with every meal, and sip regular water between meals as needed.

I know what you are saying, when every calorie counts the last thing you want is to throw them back in a shake! I have been doing BCAA mega dosing myself - because I’m doing a cycle of Poliquin’s GVT and like to adhere to his peri-WO protocol just to be authentic! Not having intra-WO carbs these days is very unfashionable so we are going against the grain!

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Question for you Rob when you get a minute.

I can’t (despite trying many times) use barbells, machines, or dips for chest due to a wrist surgery a few years back so I’m regulated to db’s and some cable work. Currently I do flat db bench, a very slight incline db bench, a more traditional inclined db bench, then cable flies. For whatever reason I don’t feel the incline work in my chest that much (even if I try to pre-exhaust with flies) and feel it in my shoulders more. So questions:

  1. Do you have any tips for feeling incline db bench in the chest better? Maybe I’m just using too much weight, I’m not sure. Though I will say with any type of low to high fly or even cable incline bench I ALWAYS feel it super hard in the anterior delts instead of the chest, so its not really a db specific thing that I can tell and more of a “me” thing.

  2. If I can’t figure out a way to get a good MMC with the incline benches, I’ve been thinking about replacing one of the 2 incline variations with just more flat db bench since I can feel my chest with that exercise. So I would be doing basically 2x the “normal” sets for flat db bench. What’s your thought on this, and how would you set it up? Treat db bench as something like 6-7x8-12 with the same weight, or maybe treat it as 2 “different” exercises where I do 3x8-12 at one weight and then switch to maybe 3x12-15 at a different weight or something?

I worry that just doing lots of flat db bench doesn’t really hit my chest from very many angles, but MMC is definitely better with flat db bench for me.

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143.6 LBS! Officially the leanest/lightest I’ve been, including at the Hercules last year after depletion/peak week. Had some surprisingly aggressive scale loss this week of over 2lbs, really getting tight now but glad we still have 3 weeks to make more progress.

Yesterday’s leg workout was solid, although it didn’t start that way. I felt a little shaky/light headed before my pre-workout meal, and felt very weak before my first warm up set of squats. But, I took longer-than-usual rest periods, cranked my music up and had to psych myself up a bit more than usual. I typically don’t like training “on the nerve” as CT calls it, getting all “LET’S GO BRO!” and such, I feel it’s a waste of energy. But, turned up my posing song, imagined being on stage, slapped myself around a bit and got under the bar. Still felt a little weaker than usual, pushed as hard as possible without risking injury.
255x10, 285x10, 315x10, 335x10, went down and repped 275x15 last set. Continuing as usual from there.

There’s a misconception out there that short rest periods are best during a prep to burn fat or whatever. Short rest don’t burn fat, caloric deficients and cardio burn fat. The sets need to be strong and intense. If anything, at times in a prep sometimes you need longer rest periods to be able to lift hard. By long rest periods I mean maybe 2-3 minutes, not long enough to cool down, I typically just go by feel. For squats maybe 4 or as much as 5 minutes between sets if I really feel that’s what needed.

Eye on the prize, 3 weeks to go.

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