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Rizhii's Log


#1

Stats:
40 yr Male
5'10" 185 lb
good knowledge base, working out for years... been out of gym for 6 weeks (transition/relocation/poor)
genetics: skinny fat... Muscle atrophy quick, with a side of flabby... constant battle of the genes.

Plan on spending the next month, getting my body reconditioned and fine tunning my diet. Utilizing ostarine (MK-2866 SARM) to provide a nudge in the right direction. other supps: creatine and glutamine. I usually do good with creatine for strength gains and recovery and have used many times before, so I should be able to differ between effects of creatine and ostarine.

I have no pics, don't feel like buying a camera, and cell phone pics suck. So the results will be subjective. My leg workouts will be light with little or no solid routine r/t currently having issues with tight hams/glutes glitchy lower back. Lower back is an on angain off again thing, has been consistent since I started serving, not sure if is r/t the shoes are what... I'm used to being on my feet for 12+ hours, so I have to figure it out...

Planet shitness workout(what I'm poor right now) first day back and w/ostarine
incline DB 65x10x4
smith bench 160x6x3
machine curl 80x8 95x8 110x8
machine incline press? weird angle on this thing 110x10x3
alt DB curl 30x8x3


#2

Welcome, Rizhii!


#3

Day 2
light legs focus mostly quads, some light romans, and finish with calves. Abs, and stretching and foam roller to keep the hams/glutes, back relaxed.

Dosing 30mg ED, will titrate accordingly if sides present (headaches?) but expect to stay at this dose for the entire 30 days.

Creatine/glutamine will be arrive on thurs. Not planning to comment on ostsa until at least week two. My body is quick to register most supps, but I always discount the first week to placebo.

I will not be posting diet specifics. I have very limited storage for food where I am currently living so meal planning is only 2 days at a time if I'm lucky. I am running at a caloric deficit (estimated), and hope to amp up to maintenance by the end of the 30 days.
I don't mind the deficit r/t flabby gene, my hope is to re-establish muscle fullness, strength and lose some flab. I also hope to re-start HIIT cardio routine when I resolve the issue with my tight hams and glitchy lower back.


#4

Welcome aboard.

What's Ostarine?


#5

repost from somewhere else...
Ostarine/Mk-2866 Vs. Pro-hormones

The newest sarm or selective androgen modulator on the net is the exciting and extremely versatile Ostarine, aka "Mk-2866. Its Sarm like capabilities, Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMs) provide the benefits of traditional anabolic/androgenic steroids such as testosterone (including increased muscle mass, fat loss, and bone density), while showing a lower tendency to produce unwanted side effects. They are a unique class of molecules currently under development for treatment of many diseases, muscle loss, and joint repair(1). Mk-2866 has sown to have far superior anabolic capabilities to any other sarm available on the market today.

Osta-Sarms comparisons.

If you were looking for a comparison between the anabolic capabilities of Mk-2866 and pro-hormones, "hormones that convert into an active steroid such as Methyl-1,4AD into its target steroid, Dianabol" Then probably the best comparison after extensive use and experimentation is that of Dienedione wich is a well used and popular non-methylated steroid that converts to the steroid known as 17b-hydroxy-estra-4,9,(10)-dien-3-one (dienolone) or as most of us think of as tren. Now the normal use of tren is to follow a 4-6 week protocol with doses ranging from 90-130mg for most users "these are average doses" And over 4-6 weeks you can expect between 6-12lbs of muscle gain with 60 percent remaining after pct and a few weeks down the line "again this is for the average user" Then thats followed by a PCT and the role of the post cycle therapy is to quickly return your testes and lh "luteinizing hormone" to fully functioning, wich isnt too difficult with this mild non methylated pro-hormone.
Now Dienedione wich is a 19-nor t compound has decent progestational effects which may lead to gyno symptoms, libido loss and aggressive mood swings. Part of the reason gyno may be a problem with this compound is also because it lacks androgenic potency and down-regulates DHT levels during cycle, which is the body***8217;s natural estrogen blocker, so estrogen levels can rise during a cycle.

So why the comparison between Mk-2866 and a pro hormone like tren?

There are a few good reasons, A 24mg, 4 week cycle of osta sarms should if the diet is spot on provide at least 5lbs of easily maintainable muscle, but you will get an increase in estrogen levels, partly because its not androgenic at all, and it increases free estradiol not to a high rate, but it might be through this means it has such an amazing effect on joints and tendons, and helps with the recovery of so many joint related injuries as sudies have reported(2).
The gains though just like tren are very lean, Users of tren nearly always report fat loss, ive seen rapid fat loss every time ive used Ostarine, body composition changes, and muscle hardening. But here the comparisons stop and Mk-2866/ Ostarine comes into its own.

Mk-2866 v Pro-hormones the facts.

Before a prohormone cycle you need to prepare your body, Milk thistle at 1g a day for 2 weeks prior, Hawthorn berry at 1g a day for 2 weeks prior to the cycle, Then during the cycle you need support supps, Formestane is probably your prefered choice of an A.I or aromatize inhibitor, Then you need your blood pressure supports, your liver supports, And then after the cycle you need a strong PCT " Post cycle therapy" or all your hard earned gains go out of the window. You will need a test booster, probably most will use a serm like Nolvadex to restart the leydig cells production of testosterone, An A.I again that needs to be tapered off to avoid rebound gyno from to much estrogen suppression, a cortisol blocker like low dose 11-oxo, and then your health supports, and cholesterol supports, and because your taking cholesterol supports you need co-enzyme q10 wich gets depleted by most cholesterol supplements.
So your talking about quite a lot of money being laid out, and the potential for side effects is quite high... hair loss, acne, and BPH "benign prostatic hyperplasia" to name but a few. So many other factors are involved aswell but to disscuss all of them would take an age.
The difference with Mk-2866 is dramatic, no need for prior cycle supports, no sides on cycle and in the blood tests ive seen no inhibition, just mildly raised estrogen levels. The gains are easy to maintain, no need for a PCT as you would with a pro-hormone, You have high oral biovailabilty without damage to your liver through conversion or being methylated, and you have a great sense of well being while on... and OSTARINE can be ran repeatedly without waiting for your normal rest period between cycles, Time on the pro-hormone + PCT = Time off.

Ostarine/ Mk-2866 potential uses

This is a new product, its potential is almost unlimited, its versatile enough to be incorporated into PCT therapies, It can be ran in between cycles, and it can be used to huge effect when taken as a standalone anabolic.
It binds strongly to the androgen receptor, but without the side effects normaly associated with high levels of DHT. It shows considerable properties as a hardening agent just slightly less than those of S4, wich itself is 1/3 as androgenic as Testosterone.
Its ability to cause fat los means it can be used on a cutting cycle and can be stacked effectivley with thermogenic or or nervous system stimulators.
Its potential to help heal those with debilitating injuries, and to speed up injury recovery makes its medicinal properties highly desirable, and all this without negative impact on your cholesterol, Blood pressure, Hair line, prostate, Heart or any other organ(3), Ostarine hands down blows pro-hormones out of the water if this was a UFC fight it would be a first round TKO.

The only question remaining is wether or not your willing to step up to the plate and pioneer the way forwards in the bodybuilding and fitness world?

Research.

1.A selective androgen receptor modulator with minimal prostate hypertrophic activity restores lean body mass in aged orchidectomized male rats.

Allan G, Sbriscia T, Linton O, Lai MT, Haynes-Johnson D, Bhattacharjee S, Ng R, Sui Z, Lundeen S.

Reproductive Therapeutics, Johnson & Johnson Pharmaceutical Research and Development, L.L.C., 1000 U.S. Route 202 South, Raritan, NJ, USA. gallan4@prdus.jnj.com

A selective androgen receptor modulator with minim... [J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2008] - PubMed result

2.Front Horm Res. 2009;37:163-82.Anabolic applications of androgens for functional limitations associated with aging and chronic illness.

Bhasin S, Storer TW.

Boston University School of Medicine, Section of Endocrinology, Diabetes, and Nutrition, Boston Medical Center, Boston, MA 02118, USA. Shalender.Bhasin@bmc.org

3.Narayanan R, Mohler ML, Bohl CE, Miller DD, Dalton JT.

Preclinical Research and Development, GTx, Inc., Memphis, Tennessee, USA.

Selective androgen receptor modulators in preclini... [Nucl Recept Signal. 2008] - PubMed result

Androgen receptor (AR) plays a critical role in the function of several organs including primary and accessory sexual organs, skeletal muscle, and bone, making it a desirable therapeutic target. Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) bind to the AR and demonstrate osteo- and myo-anabolic activity; however, unlike testosterone and other anabolic steroids, these nonsteroidal agents produce less of a growth effect on prostate and other secondary sexual organs. SARMs provide therapeutic opportunities in a variety of diseases, including muscle wasting associated with burns, cancer,


#6

Welcome.

Few questions. Was this something you were perscribed? Just going off your numbers, even at age 40 you have so much more of a ceiling to get stronger clean. In my opinion taking AAS at this level isn't going to get you where you're wanting to go. You may get there fast but then what?

Sorry not trying to be a jerk or anything, do what you think is right, just doesn't seem to be a need at this point. Best of luck to you, we're all here to get stronger no matter what road you go down.


#7


No Rx just research... and your right but it takes me about 3-5 times longer than you think. by the end of the month I should be back to where I was strength wise. Unfortunetly that is also where I had plateaued and was working hard to get past with a lot of effort and little result.
I have a really good knowledge base and a good friends who... compete professionally, personal trainers and a couple of dietitians. so no shortage of resources on that end. I'm the guy who works a year to gain strength and a little size, but could lose it in a few months completely. My base line workout is a 4 day split that I vamp up to a 7 day cycle at least twice a year for 8 weeks at a time.
In short supps help me considerably.

It's my understanding that ostarine is a SARM not an AAS different beast with similar weaker result..

No worries

tomorrow is an off day for me... usually a long cardio, but I will be just stretching and working.


#8

Day 3
Back & traps today
cable row 100x10x3
pullups 2x max
seated machine rows (wide) 80x8x3
Pull downs 100x10x1 front
Pull downs 55x8x2 behind

Face pulls 55x10x3
BB shrugs behind back 90x10x3

I hate recovery... history has taught me to go slow though..
Balls feel full, wood comes easilier... could be from burst of test r/t re-starting on weights. Supps (creatine & glutamine) should be here today.
I am starting to experience what I call muscle consolidation.... when I have taken a break from weight lifting and then start back after about 2-3 weeks, in my muscles get a bit smaller and tighter. They have already started doing this. Again could be normal response to a shrt break of weight taining.


#9

Great news. There's nothing worse than empty balls!


#10

Or no balls...


#11

agreed


#12

war full balls

welcome...

is it AAS or just a prohormone?


#13

neither, see link and info above

long version... http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/ar...i?artid=2040232
short version... (from another forum) SARMs selectively bind to different anabolic sites in the body. So certain SARMs (the ones anyone here cares about, at least) will bind to androgen receptors in muscles to cause anabolic growth, but not so much in areas where you don't want a lot of androgenic activity (prostate, internal organs, hairline, etc.) In a simplified sense, they're something that offers the muscle gain and fat loss of steroids without the side effects. And they aren't steroids either, so you don't have to muck around with the risk and hassle of having a controlled substance.


#14

Day 4
Shoulder & tri's

Arnold press 40x8x3
rear delt raise 25x8x3
DB front/lateral raise 30x8x3
few cable iso raises

V bar press 85x10x3
rope pull 50x10x3
skull crusher (curl bar)w/ close grip press 60x8x2 - 60x25x2

woke up with wood that took awhile to go down... nice pumps in the gym, wanted to do more, felt focused and energetic. To keep prospective I always get a great feeling, and I am usually focused in the gym especially after a lapse. As for the morning wood, my new job has a bunch of fine ass 20 year olds in short skirts and tight black pants running around... I currently am without a woman so hormone buildup is inevitable.


#15

Now this is what my log's been missing. A daily public record of my degree of tumescence! LOL

Ignore me I'm just being a dick, just pulling your plonker! (do you have that saying over there?), sometimes I'm just nuts.........

Bollocks! is that the time?, I'm off to see my friend Nadia's first night. "GO NADS!".


#16

I thank my years of watching Monty Python and Fawlty Towers (and some Masterpiece Theater) that I can even begin to understand you Brits. Still never heard of "plonker", though.


#17

Day 7 - one full week

incline DB 65x10x4
smith bench 160x6x3
machine incline press 110x10x3
machine flyes 130x10x2
machine curl 95x8 110x8 120x8
hammer curl 30x8x3
alt DB curl 30x8x3

Nothing new to report, good pumps, focus and desire to workout more.... but again that's just me. I was hoping to add cardio today, but my back started to freak on me yesterday... I have workout, ran 3 miles and work 12 hours on my feet in the same day and have never had my feet tight, cramped, and ankles sore. Server/waiter shoes suck ass. What a fuckn racket. I am going to purchase a new pair today and see if it helps alleviate the problem.
Planet fitness truly is a bad bad bad imitation of a gym or fitness center.


#18

Day 9
I skipped workout on tues, did same light leg workout today. Back feels 100% better. New shoes and generic gel inserts. I'll wait a few more days, hope to start cardio Sun. Even with no cardio I am definitely leaning out, the fullness of the love handle area has been cut by at least a 1/3, I can see more of my oblique cut. CHest has a solidarity to it, not the pump from creatine or NO mixes.
Speaking of creatine tomorrow (Thurs) will be one full week on it. I am using KRE-ALKALYN, I hope to avoid the usual "water weight".

Sex drive is up... even taking into account all the fat butt girls I am working around raising my hormone levels... I get wood just thinking about cock slamming one of them.


#19

Day 10

Back today
Pulldowns 120x8x3
cable row 120x8x3
pullups 2x max
seated machine rows (wide) 80x8x3
DB row 65x8x2

Abs
Nothing new to report, back is still good. I was off yesterday and today so if I make it thru fri and sat with no issues I'll start cardio on sun.


#20

Day 12

Last couple of days were a wash.. bad eating on wed, roommate brought home stomach flu so I was down with that on thurs night and friday... ONly thing I ate fri was 3 eggs and toast in the morning and a meal bar last night at 10pm

Shoulders & triceps today... really nice pumps and great workout considering diet is completely off and still a little dehydrated from friday. Will try to restore tonight and tomorrow so I can add cardio on Monday.

Have noticed sweating alot mostly when working out, and increased thirst... which was compounded by the flu.