I don’t know? On social issues like gay marriage and abortion there really isn’t room for bipartisanship. Again, an atheist, as an individual, could or couldn’t have a pro stance on either of two . It’s not like a council of atheists can credibly agree with Catholics, for instance, on the wrongness of the two. Well, they could, but they’d only speak for themselves.[/quote]
Good points. I won’t defend atheists as a group. What’s your position on separation of church and state though? Your points above raise that issue. I’ll have to get back to you tomorrow BTW. Times zones.
I favor it, properly understood. While the nation’s charter relied heavily upon the self conduct of Christian people’s, it did not attempt to establish a Christian Government. To do so, no matter how generic, would’ve involved identification of what it is to be Christian. This would then invite doctrinal/dogmatic disputes. So, best to let man follow his conscience on those matters, and provide simply for the free expression of. But, but!, it was obviously understood that the citizens who where HIGHLY religious, would undoubtedly be informed by religious thought, and so provide the necessary moral characteristics to be make a self-governing populace, which in turn made a more limited government possible.
The interpretation today is beyond a doubt a recent concoction. If one looks at the states at our founding, and even the federal government, there is absolutely no way that the pulling of, say, the ten commandments out of local courthouses or schools was remotely what they had in mind.
As for the social issues. Social issues are political issues. How humanity views human life has cultural, and therefore, political consequences. Marriage has HUGE consequences on our socio-economic health. It is dearly relevant in the realms of poverty, crime, education, and the inter-generational transmission of civic virtues.
[/quote]OUTSTANDING!!! I could not possibly agree more with just about every syllable which will no doubt mystify the OP, but that’s ok. My old amigo Sloth could have made this post totally complete with another of his gracious acknowledgements that people who believed everything I believe were extraordinarily common in the 17th and 18th and 19th centuries in North America. Like really REALLY common as in all over and everywhere. Some of these clowns always talking about how fanatical and extreme I am should be transported back to 1750 New England for a minute. I can see them running for the woods arms flailing, AHHHHHHHHH!!! as they find themselves surrounded by protestant Calvinists LOL!!!