I was apart of the get ripped crowd, that abs were all I really cared about. So i lifted when i needed to, ran long distance all the time, and did crunches in between sets of everything. I got ripped and all but i was small.
Semesters at college took their toll, lots of drugs and drinking and i could never lift consistently. Finnally i started to hear of Joe defranco's training and I'm a little on point now, carrying alot of extra fat, but im learning how to lift with intensity and not worrying about my abs.
Here is what i started at lean