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Respect Obama More Because of Pastor?

The best analogy I can think of is Chris Farley in Black Sheep. While he’s definitely an idiot and every time he gives one of his speeches he thinks to himself “God not this shit again”. We all have people like this in our lives. I respect someone who won’t just throw a long time friend under the buss for the purpose of getting more votes.

Unlike Hillary who has fired campaign members left and right the second they made the slightest mistake just so she could try and get a few more votes.
And do any Obamahaters have any complaints about the man himself? It seems like people who don’t like Hillary do it because of her, while people that don’t like Obama do it because of people he knows.

I’d agree with you if it weren’t for the fact that once the media really demanded it, i.e. the second time around, Obama basically did throw his pastor under the bus. I have a million problems with Obama, and will not be voting for him, but his initial standing by his pastor was not one of them. Now that he has basically disowned him, I find that pretty craven (although Wright is clearly an egomaniac and is not doing his former parishioner any favors).

But if this election becomes about Jeremiah Wright and Obama not wearing an American flag pin, as opposed to the many real problems we’re facing and the disasters of the last eight years…well, we’ll deserve the fate we get.

I think the media loves anything that will stir up the shit, and the majority of people go right along with it.

He is a politician. Just not that well seasoned yet. Republicans are cheering the Obama v. Clinton fiasco that exposes each of them by the other that’ll put McCain in office

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
I’d agree with you if it weren’t for the fact that once the media really demanded it, i.e. the second time around, Obama basically did throw his pastor under the bus.[/quote]

I think the difference this time was he was twice as crazy and had said that Obama agreed with his craziness. That was being disrespectful and taking it too far.

The biggest problem with politics is the whole “team” concept people get when they choose to support someone. They stop caring about someones views on issues and are just about supporting “our guy” and beating the other team.

God I hate the media and stupid people.

I have no idea how anyone could respect Barack more because of his un-American pastor. And to say his assocation with him is unimportant is crazy. If McCain hung out with members of the KKK, there would be an absolute 0 chance of him being elected.

Barack is going to raise your taxes even higher than they are now. He’ll lose the war in Iraq. Exterminate religion from being public. He wants to turn the “Land of the Free, Home of the Brave” into France or some other socialistic European country.

He seems like a great guy, but his politics are scary. Most uniformed voters vote based off the hype and charisma surrounding him. They do not go look at his policies.

I’m not saying I’m a HUGE McCain fan, but he is the best thing we have to vote for.

If any of you are familiar with ‘Operation Chaos’ … that’s exactly what is happening right now between Billary and Barry Hussein Obama.

[quote]DK 14 wrote:
I have no idea how anyone could respect Barack more because of his un-American pastor. And to say his assocation with him is unimportant is crazy. If McCain hung out with members of the KKK, there would be an absolute 0 chance of him being elected.

Barack is going to raise your taxes even higher than they are now. He’ll lose the war in Iraq. Exterminate religion from being public. He wants to turn the “Land of the Free, Home of the Brave” into France or some other socialistic European country.

He seems like a great guy, but his politics are scary. Most uniformed voters vote based off the hype and charisma surrounding him. They do not go look at his policies.

I’m not saying I’m a HUGE McCain fan, but he is the best thing we have to vote for.

If any of you are familiar with ‘Operation Chaos’ … that’s exactly what is happening right now between Billary and Barry Hussein Obama. [/quote]

I have developed the opinion that Rev. Wright has the ambition to write a book and does not mind riding Obama�??s coat tails. But that being said there was nothing he said that was unpatriotic and most of the things he did say had some grounds.

As far as comparing Rev. Wright to the Klan is beyond reason.
In regards to Obama raising taxes, I believe that if we are not going to raise taxes we are going to have to severely cut spending.

If you are happy with our oil, Banking, food, foreign policy, national debt the Insurance industry, feel free to vote for Mac same.

I have plenty of reasons to not vote for Obama.

However, this election is (will be) unique, in that I will respect both candidates (McCain and Obama), but I will not want to vote for either of them -_-.

There is no question Rev. Wrong is unpatriotic and a racist. “God damn America” His conspiracy of our government creating AIDS and his inflammatory comments to whites. The Rev has no grounds for any of his slander. That is insane that you try to justify it.

I agree we do have to cut spending. The more programs and the highers taxes the more we allow our government to spend irresonsibly.

Barack is not hiding the fact he’s going to raise our taxes and redistribute income.

McCain will do a better job economically, he’ll kill more terrorists, and keep national security high.

None of the candidates are great, but Mac is the lesser of 3 evils.

[quote]DK 14 wrote:
There is no question Rev. Wrong is unpatriotic and a racist. “God damn America” His conspiracy of our government creating AIDS and his inflammatory comments to whites. The Rev has no grounds for any of his slander. That is insane that you try to justify it.

I agree we do have to cut spending. The more programs and the highers taxes the more we allow our government to spend irresonsibly.

Barack is not hiding the fact he’s going to raise our taxes and redistribute income.

McCain will do a better job economically, he’ll kill more terrorists, and keep national security high.

None of the candidates are great, but Mac is the lesser of 3 evils. [/quote]

I think Rev. Wright cursing America for the sins of the leaders has nothing to do with patriotism. I think people that swallow what ever our government feeds us are naïve.
Do you think we are killing terrorists in Iraq?
How will Obama redistribute income?

Out of all the churches in all of Chicago, Obama chose the one run by this nut.

What’s that say about him?

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I am less likely to support Obama because of his pastor. I am independent and undecided but will probably vote democratic regardless of who the nominee is. Unfortunately Mccain is and idiot when it comes to energy policy and that is my primary issue.

Obama didn’t “throw him under the bus” the first time because he thought the media as usual would not dig into it out of fear of being called racist themselves. Dig around for some of the crap that comes out of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and other mainstream “black leaders” mouths when speaking to black only audiences.

Wright’s racist views and crazy conspiracy theories are somewhat mainstream in black communities. Even fucking Oprah goes to that church sometimes. By attacking Wright, Obama risks losing his 90% plus voter support from blacks that he will need to win especially in the general election.

“I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community.” Something I am sure he wanted to avoid.

Now that it is out the situation doesn’t look good to non-blacks that his best buddy/preacher/mentor of over 20 years is a crazy bigot. Obama made a political calculation and thought he could have his cake and eat it too. Whoops.

I don’t think Obama believes half the stuff Wright says but he happily rode along for 20 years to advance his political career. Says volumes about the type of person Obama really is. I would bet Obama’s wife is in almost total agreement with Wright’s views.

And Geraldine Ferraro took one for the team. Clinton never fired her. Don’t believe Ferraro didn’t know exactly what she was doing. Obama was getting a free ride as the Democrat’s black Jesus, I mean second coming of JFK.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Out of all the churches in all of Chicago, Obama chose the one run by this nut.

What’s that say about him?

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How many black churches are there that are conveniently close to his childhood home, I wonder?

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
DK 14 wrote:
There is no question Rev. Wrong is unpatriotic and a racist. “God damn America” His conspiracy of our government creating AIDS and his inflammatory comments to whites. The Rev has no grounds for any of his slander. That is insane that you try to justify it.

I agree we do have to cut spending. The more programs and the highers taxes the more we allow our government to spend irresonsibly.

Barack is not hiding the fact he’s going to raise our taxes and redistribute income.

McCain will do a better job economically, he’ll kill more terrorists, and keep national security high.

None of the candidates are great, but Mac is the lesser of 3 evils.

I think Rev. Wright cursing America for the sins of the leaders has nothing to do with patriotism. I think people that swallow what ever our government feeds us are naïve.
Do you think we are killing terrorists in Iraq?
How will Obama redistribute income?

You must have somehow missed a few of his comments: “The KKK of America” or how about “The government infecting the black community with AIDS”. Wright is a racist of the first order.

There’s no way Obama can distance himself from Wright try as he may. Wright will follow Obama around like a bad fart…right up to November…if he makes it that far.

The fact that Obama sat at his feet and lapped it up for 20 years should bother just about everyone…other than those who really do hate America.

That’s not you is it?

By the way the redistribution of income that Obama plans would be one of the worst things to ever happen to this country economically. As soon as you take away the desire of the average American to gain more wealth you eventually bring down the standard of living.

The top 50% of income earners pay about 96% of all income tax. That means that one half of this country is supporting …through their tax dollars…the other half. It’s already an alarmingly high figure. What happens when it’s raised even further? Incentive is taken away from that top 50% and the money will no longer be there to assist the other half that is needy.

One more point…when the President and the democratic controlled Congress wanted to stimulate the economy what did they do?

Did they raise taxes? D

Did they create government programs?

No.

They sent money back to the people where it originally came from…granted not fairly…But…both parties saw this as being good for the economy and good for the country.

Then what would make anyone think that raising taxes especially on the over taxed top half of the population would actually be good?

Both Obama and Hillary would be a disaster for this country. If you think Bush was bad you will quickly go from bad to worse with one of these clowns.

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I do not know your age, but I spent a lot of my childhood (1960�??s) south of the Mason Dixon line, I remember the attitudes of the time. Rev. Wright would have been a young to a middle age man dealing with the Jim Crow laws. Things are much better now but I still see racism among whites as well as blacks.

I agree with you saying Wright will fallow him around like a bad fart, as far as listening to an elder telling a new generation about Tuskegee or Iran contra or Hiroshima should offend no one.

As far as the top %50 of people paying %90 of the taxes, an article in the Arizona Republic said the Top employer in Arizona is Wal-Mart, the majority of the top 20 are Retail. How do expect someone whose wages ($8.00 an hr.) have been beet down by an over abundance of cheap labor to pay any taxes when they can barley survive?

As far as our government giving us money back from our taxes to stimulate the economy, I do not know if it will work or not, but it is not a far stretch of the imagination to say it is nothing more than pandering.

With your tax cut philosophy, you are ignoring National Debt, ($30,000 every man women and child). Out of every man women and child you know, how many could qualify for a $30,000 dollar loan? 1 in 5 that would make that person�??s share $150,000

I do not know where national debt was when the Soviet Union collapsed. I bet it was now where near $30,000 per person. This is why in my opinion our dollar is so weak and our economy is sputtering.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
DK 14 wrote:
There is no question Rev. Wrong is unpatriotic and a racist. “God damn America” His conspiracy of our government creating AIDS and his inflammatory comments to whites. The Rev has no grounds for any of his slander. That is insane that you try to justify it.

I agree we do have to cut spending. The more programs and the highers taxes the more we allow our government to spend irresonsibly.

Barack is not hiding the fact he’s going to raise our taxes and redistribute income.

McCain will do a better job economically, he’ll kill more terrorists, and keep national security high.

None of the candidates are great, but Mac is the lesser of 3 evils.

I think Rev. Wright cursing America for the sins of the leaders has nothing to do with patriotism. I think people that swallow what ever our government feeds us are naïve.
Do you think we are killing terrorists in Iraq?
How will Obama redistribute income?

You must have somehow missed a few of his comments: “The KKK of America” or how about “The government infecting the black community with AIDS”. Wright is a racist of the first order.

There’s no way Obama can distance himself from Wright try as he may. Wright will follow Obama around like a bad fart…right up to November…if he makes it that far.

The fact that Obama sat at his feet and lapped it up for 20 years should bother just about everyone…other than those who really do hate America.

That’s not you is it?

By the way the redistribution of income that Obama plans would be one of the worst things to ever happen to this country economically. As soon as you take away the desire of the average American to gain more wealth you eventually bring down the standard of living.

The top 50% of income earners pay about 96% of all income tax. That means that one half of this country is supporting …through their tax dollars…the other half. It’s already an alarmingly high figure. What happens when it’s raised even further? Incentive is taken away from that top 50% and the money will no longer be there to assist the other half that is needy.

One more point…when the President and the democratic controlled Congress wanted to stimulate the economy what did they do?

Did they raise taxes? D

Did they create government programs?

No.

They sent money back to the people where it originally came from…granted not fairly…But…both parties saw this as being good for the economy and good for the country.

Then what would make anyone think that raising taxes especially on the over taxed top half of the population would actually be good?

Both Obama and Hillary would be a disaster for this country. If you think Bush was bad you will quickly go from bad to worse with one of these clowns.

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That, how much taxes do we really pay thread was not as graffic as it could be . But if you take all the sales tax , excise tax, fee�??s and my taxes when you employ me . You are only counting personal income tax. Try to figure all the taxes that are income neutral.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
DK 14 wrote:
There is no question Rev. Wrong is unpatriotic and a racist. “God damn America” His conspiracy of our government creating AIDS and his inflammatory comments to whites. The Rev has no grounds for any of his slander. That is insane that you try to justify it.

I agree we do have to cut spending. The more programs and the highers taxes the more we allow our government to spend irresonsibly.

Barack is not hiding the fact he’s going to raise our taxes and redistribute income.

McCain will do a better job economically, he’ll kill more terrorists, and keep national security high.

None of the candidates are great, but Mac is the lesser of 3 evils.

I think Rev. Wright cursing America for the sins of the leaders has nothing to do with patriotism. I think people that swallow what ever our government feeds us are naïve.
Do you think we are killing terrorists in Iraq?
How will Obama redistribute income?

You must have somehow missed a few of his comments: “The KKK of America” or how about “The government infecting the black community with AIDS”. Wright is a racist of the first order.

There’s no way Obama can distance himself from Wright try as he may. Wright will follow Obama around like a bad fart…right up to November…if he makes it that far.

The fact that Obama sat at his feet and lapped it up for 20 years should bother just about everyone…other than those who really do hate America.

That’s not you is it?

By the way the redistribution of income that Obama plans would be one of the worst things to ever happen to this country economically. As soon as you take away the desire of the average American to gain more wealth you eventually bring down the standard of living.

The top 50% of income earners pay about 96% of all income tax. That means that one half of this country is supporting …through their tax dollars…the other half. It’s already an alarmingly high figure. What happens when it’s raised even further? Incentive is taken away from that top 50% and the money will no longer be there to assist the other half that is needy.

One more point…when the President and the democratic controlled Congress wanted to stimulate the economy what did they do?

Did they raise taxes? D

Did they create government programs?

No.

They sent money back to the people where it originally came from…granted not fairly…But…both parties saw this as being good for the economy and good for the country.

Then what would make anyone think that raising taxes especially on the over taxed top half of the population would actually be good?

Both Obama and Hillary would be a disaster for this country. If you think Bush was bad you will quickly go from bad to worse with one of these clowns.

I do not know your age, but I spent a lot of my childhood (1960â¿¿s) south of the Mason Dixon line, I remember the attitudes of the time. Rev. Wright would have been a young to a middle age man dealing with the Jim Crow laws. Things are much better now but I still see racism among whites as well as blacks.
I agree with you saying Wright will fallow him around like a bad fart, as far as listening to an elder telling a new generation about Tuskegee or Iran contra or Hiroshima should offend no one.
As far as the top %50 of people paying %90 of the taxes, an article in the Arizona Republic said the Top employer in Arizona is Wal-Mart, the majority of the top 20 are Retail. How do expect someone whose wages ($8.00 an hr.) have been beet down by an over abundance of cheap labor to pay any taxes when they can barley survive?
As far as our government giving us money back from our taxes to stimulate the economy, I do not know if it will work or not, but it is not a far stretch of the imagination to say it is nothing more than pandering.
With your tax cut philosophy, you are ignoring National Debt, ($30,000 every man women and child). Out of every man women and child you know, how many could qualify for a $30,000 dollar loan? 1 in 5 that would make that personâ¿¿s share $150,000
I do not know where national debt was when the Soviet Union collapsed. I bet it was now where near $30,000 per person. This is why in my opinion our dollar is so weak and our economy is sputtering.

You never help the economy by overtaxing people who are primarily responsible for driving the economy. As far as taxes are concerned if the people who drive the economy had more money in their hands the tax base would expand and the government would get along nicely.

Actually, taxes need to be lower for all economic groups. This would cause more money to be spent as well as saved.

Obama will be a disaster if elected.

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What about the bills