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Research Product Safety


#1

Without mentioning any specific source names - how safe do you guys think the ethanol suspension is they use in there potions . I emailed the company to ask, but never got response . My concern is if the suspension has methanol in it . Btw I have been using product for a while with no ill effects . Am I just being paranoid , lol.


#2

[quote]Sir toddington wrote:
Without mentioning any specific source names - how safe do you guys think the ethanol suspension is they use in there potions . I emailed the company to ask, but never got response . My concern is if the suspension has methanol in it . Btw I have been using product for a while with no ill effects . Am I just being paranoid , lol. [/quote]

you can tell us what the product is without giving the company name.

let me add that a lot of liquid research chemicals are under dosed and of course some will be bunk. but not all.


#3

[quote]Sir toddington wrote:
Without mentioning any specific source names - how safe do you guys think the ethanol suspension is they use in there potions . I emailed the company to ask, but never got response . My concern is if the suspension has methanol in it . Btw I have been using product for a while with no ill effects . Am I just being paranoid , lol. [/quote]

Have you used this specific testosterone from them again?


#4

Actually I was referring to anastrozole , Viagra , cialis - all oral products


#5

Also it’s a USA company


#6

[quote]Sir toddington wrote:
Actually I was referring to anastrozole , Viagra , cialis - all oral products [/quote]

i used to use tadalafil on squat day and dead lift day to open up arteries but the last two companies had very under dosed tada. “pure” crap but nice packaging and low low prices. evidently too low.

“great” overdosed highly potent anastrozole though. pricing kind of high in the $60’s though.

melanotan II peptides usually seems g2g from a number of companies.


#7

[quote]Sir toddington wrote:
My concern is if the suspension has methanol in it . Btw I have been using product for a while with no ill effects . Am I just being paranoid , lol. [/quote]

…and who doesn’t experience these symptoms after a heavy dead lift workout?

Symptoms may include:

Airway and lungs
    Breathing difficulty
    No breathing
Eyes
    Blindness
    Blurred vision
    Dilation of the pupils
Heart and blood
    Convulsions
    Low blood pressure
Nervous system
    Agitated behavior
    Coma
    Dizziness
    Headache
    Seizures
Skin and nails
    Bluish-colored lips and fingernails
Stomach and intestines
    Abdominal pain (severe)
    Diarrhea
    Liver function problems
    Nausea
    Pancreatitis
    Vomiting
Other
    Fatigue
    Leg cramps
    Weakness

#8

Been using a liquid anastrozle from a company referd to on several forums… Seems like its legit feels the same to me as when I ran pills from pharma… Thinking about trying some of there clen… Not sure if I will just becuase I can probably do a ECA stack for cheaper…


#9

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]Sir toddington wrote:
Actually I was referring to anastrozole , Viagra , cialis - all oral products [/quote]

i used to use tadalafil on squat day and dead lift day to open up arteries but the last two companies had very under dosed tada. “pure” crap but nice packaging and low low prices. evidently too low.

“great” overdosed highly potent anastrozole though. pricing kind of high in the $60’s though.

melanotan II peptides usually seems g2g from a number of companies.

[/quote]

“Pure” is better than “Great” when referring to Tada? I know it separates and needs to be shaken but pure seems to be suspended nicely. That doesn’t speak to the quality or accuracy, just noting it. No luck with "MPEE"
I wonder if anyone has ever tested these by an independent company and what the cost would be?


#10

If you’re talking about stuff usually sold in tabs but this time sold dissolved in ethanol, you shouldn’t worry about methanol.
Pharmaceutical grade ethanol can be bought for about 150$/gallon (4000mL), which they can use to make about 200 vials of 20mL solutions of whatever compound they’re selling you.
However, technical ethanol, which is used as a chemical reagent and contains denaturating molecules (5% methanol, ether, 2-propanol, …) is much cheaper. The cheapest variety I see is 96% ethanol denaturated with 5% methanol (which means that of a total volume of 1 gallon, 5% of it is methanol and 96% of the remaining 95%, is ethanol) clocks in at a measly 25$/gallon.
I highly doubt that they’d use that, though. If they want to make money, pharmaceutical grade ethanol is the way to go and will only cost them 75 cents per 20mL vial.

Long story short, you don’t have to worry about methanol being present in their ethanol + whatever compound solutions.

Also, if it had methanol in it you’d have immediately “seen” sides, which is very ironic 'cause you’d be blind by now.


#11

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]Sir toddington wrote:
Actually I was referring to anastrozole , Viagra , cialis - all oral products [/quote]

i used to use tadalafil on squat day and dead lift day to open up arteries but the last two companies had very under dosed tada. “pure” crap but nice packaging and low low prices. evidently too low.

“great” overdosed highly potent anastrozole though. pricing kind of high in the $60’s though.

melanotan II peptides usually seems g2g from a number of companies.

[/quote]

“Pure” is better than “Great” when referring to Tada? I know it separates and needs to be shaken but pure seems to be suspended nicely. That doesn’t speak to the quality or accuracy, just noting it. No luck with "MPEE"
I wonder if anyone has ever tested these by an independent company and what the cost would be?
[/quote]

“Pure” was NOT better than “Great” in regards to tada.

I shook the hell out of both of them, even took double & triple doses of “Pure” and got nothing but bad taste. Same with their sildenafil. Haven’t opened the letrozole yet, the packaging is so nice I might just put it under the Christmas tree.

The initial dose of “Great” tada I encountered stuffy nose and red face and flush feeling around neck, but subsequent use did not have same effect. Their anastrozole was very potent/strong and put my estradiol into single digits which is not good (you want it in low-mid twenties )

I usually feel sandy joints when estradiol goes too low. I doubled my dose thinking it wasn’t good. Well it was definitely good. I saw my lab/blood work.

I originally used mp and their stuff was always potent and priced low, but they are out of business after a partner was arrested, or so I’ve read.

Then Osta was shutdown: