Which makes more sense:
-that an all knowing, all powerful, and supremely loving, perfect being would bring into existance children which he knew before creating them, due to being all knowing, would not choose him with their free will and then would be pillaged, raped, destroyed, and burn in hell for eternity, or that a culture back in the day made a religion that justified their rape, pillage, and taking over of their neighbor’s lands?
-that an all knowing, all powerful, perfect being needs imperfect beings to serve him and sing his praises for eternity, or that a culture back in the day wasn’t sure what would happen when they died, and being welcomed into the presence of a perfect being and surrounded by all their buddies for eternity sounded good?
that people don’t know how to interpret the Bible, or that interpretation changes with the needs/beliefs of the culture you live in?
that religious stories are literally real or that they are a venue to pass down cultural knowledge of food preparation, work habits, sexual activity, and social activities which have helped the culture survive?
that any imperfection can even indirectly result from a perfect being, or that the religion’s human creators had terrible logic skills?[/quote]
Oh brother, another know it all atheist.
Which makes more sense some thing from something or something from nothing? Because if you are atheist you must necessarily believe that something can come from nothing.
This has been discussed like a trillion times it always boils down to the above and nothing else. It always ends up with some atheistic tortured logic where square pegs fit into round holes because they cannot accept that logically something cannot come from nothing. Simply because nothing literally does not exist and what does not exist has no properties, particularly creative properties…
I may just sit back and watch people sodomize very basic simple logic… [/quote]
I like this response because it clearly shows an error of logic. You are assuming that because I have determined that my second answer to all of the first posts questions are the more logical ones, that I’m an athiest, that I think I know everything! And more specifically that I’m making an error in logic by claiming to know something that I don’t (for instance, whether or not God exists or how the universe came into being).
Carefully re-read my first post. You’ll see that no where do I say that I know God doesn’t exist or how the universe was created. Neither do you. At this time, both of those are impossible to know. All I’m referring to is the chances of how a religion developed, an occurance which we do know for sure has happened numerous times and have good information as to how and why it happens.[/quote]
You are not an atheist? You believe God exists but religion is flawed? Or do you not believe in God. ‘I don’t know’ is a cop out, take a stand.
Man has always had an intrinsic knowledge that what exists isn’t defined by itself as that is circular.
I never said you have to know everything, I said to be an atheist, you must necessarily believe in something from nothing.