Im curious to see what your blood results read. Tip man. If you are gunna cycle prohormones, follow my little prohormone guide here: How to run prohormone cycle properly (for the legally concerned):
There are a variety of prohormones on the market, DHEA isomers (mild), progestins, and liver toxic. Establish which kind you plan on using. Due to the constant changing I wont bother with specific names. More is not better however. 10 vs. 11 pounds coupled with severe suppression at 11 pounds is not worth it in comparison to a 10 pound gain at mild suppression. In fact, the 10 pound gainer may keep more.
Requirements before cycling:
To run a prohormone you must legally be 18. 21 is recommended.
Train for at least 1-3 years with proper diet (1-2grams of protein per pound body weight atleast) and exercise.
Maximum cycles each year:
2 six week cycles a year or 3 four week cycles max. Length depends on prohormones. Time on+pct=time off at minimum. This is the golden rule of pro-hormones.
Picking a prohormone:
Get blood work first. Pick a mild prohormone, a single compound for first cycle. Only after can you expand to some of the others. If you use a weak compound first, the stronger one will help you more later, and you'll know how your body reacts. I recommend waiting until 3rd cycle before "stacking".
The do's while on:
Eat more instead of 1.2 g protein per pound bodyweight, 2g
Increase training frequency
6-8 glasses of water daily
Get a lack of sleep
Lift light for more reps (if on a bulk in particular)
Common cycle support supplements include:
-nac, milk thistle, ala, or liv 52 for liver
-various plants for health and antioxidants
-fish oil- heart health
-zinc and magnesium
L carnitine will help androgen receptors work better on cycle. Basically, cycle gains will increase.
ONLY AS NEEDED:
Joint support: If joints get too bad, glucosamine chroinditon with msm
Back support: Taurine 3-5g can help for back pumps.
Sleep support: melatonin and/or GABA
Sex support (only if necessary)- various herbal test boosters and nitrous oxide boosters. Don't take viagra or cialis.
Acne?: I recommend of course thoroughly showering and then benzyl peroxide or salicylic acid for face-wash.
Hair loss (reduce dht): saw palmetto/stinging nettle/astaxanthin/other herbs are natural options to use before and finasteride research chem will work. Rogaine for older men.
Digestion problems: Tons of fiber or fiber pills, not laxatives.
If the prohormone is a progestin use B6- prolactin problems can arise- get b6... easily accessible and combats prolactin
Note*** The b6 must be pyrodoxINE form (not pyrodoxal). 200 mg 3x day. SAMe can block prolactin. Mucuna pruriens (l-dopa, often in horny goat weed mixes) can also help block prolactin. Ginseng helps too. So can ashwagandha. So can ginkgo biloba. B6+SAMe+prolactin blocking herb is best combo. I would not super dose vitamin E.
Avoid some headache medicines because of liver toxicity.
25-50 mg dhea ED on cycle may help mood and libido and fat control.
ending cycle/starting pct (largely in case serms are bunk):
Pes erase (or product with same ingredient) 75 mg 4-6 weeks+triazole/750 mg resveratrol for estrogen/other naturally based estrogen blocker (Second half of cycle to prevent estrogen sides and first half of pct) as a bridge into pct.
Daa (second half of cycle and first half pct)
Note***LOW dose aromasin can be substituted.
Non injectable Perfect Pct (pick 2)
Nolva (tamoxifen) 20/20/10/10
Extra but highly recommended: Clomid (clomiphene) 50/50/25/25
Frontload one serm with a double dose one week (not torem)
Vitamin d 4000 iu
Multivitamin (has vitamin a, e, k)
1-3g fish oil
Calcium 600 mg (not at same time as zinc)
Vitamin c 500 mg
Mid day ancillaries:
10 g creatine and preworkout for strength
Acquired in diet: L glutamine, protein, primary 3 bcaas for protein synthesis and testosterone recovery. Protein powder has them.
Nighttime post cycle ancillaries:
Zinc 25 mg (every day, always)
Magnesium 250 mg
(ZMA is a fine combo)
Vitamin b complex
Consider milk thistle or NAC or ALA (both not necessary). Further liver detoxification.
Avoid exogenous testosterones of any form.
Iron levels must be stable in blood but not high! Many meats and eggs have iron, as well as vegetables. No need to supplement.
Fat diet needed to recover test
Sleep needed to recover test
Sex as much as possible... Can also abstain for a week or so to cause LH spike if feeling down months later.
No drugs or alcohol or smoking
Limit sugar and no soy
Include cardio 3-4x week and lift 5-6 times week- train hard abs 3x
Lots of water
Healthy heart, healthy liver (to lower shbg) and low body fat are key.
Make sure you get some fruit during and after pct for antioxidants.
Don't eat out of plastic or breathe in chemical sprays.
Minimize fat gain (only if necessary):
Green tea, cla, and thermogenics for weight loss. All other metals are in multi. Calcium and fiber are important. If you are using pro-hormones, you obviously aren't competing. Don't use t3 or clen. If weight loss is impossible, a lack or surplus of iodine could be to blame.
Gynecomastia/estrogen/prolactin at any point:
Keep Letro in case of bad fast gyno.
Taper to 2.5 mg and then taper down and use a suicidal ai or a serm to prevent rebound at end. Do NOT fiddle with nips.
Under rare circumstances nipple discharge can occur: administer liquid prami. Liquid caber does not work. Only caber from a doc.
B6 as mentioned earlier can help.
The nipple discharge is often associated with elevated prolactin, often caused by progestins. If you cycle as this forum directs, this should not be a problem. High dose Ai's (in particular reversible) and high dose serms are often responsible for estrogen rebounds.
Failed pct (probably 1 year after)/injection time:
Double serm doses
Use hcg (injectable) before serms if can get from doctor and if that does not work a 100 mcg triptorelin shot can be used when all testosterone clears the system.
1. I never recommend 6 bromo or ATD or Formestane as an estrogen blocker in post cycle. Both can shut you down by a low conversion to testosterone. You can use them on cycle.
- Bioavailable testosterone matters most when tested. High estrogen, High prolactin, high shbg, low vitamin D, zinc deficiency, low calcium, stress, lack of sex for too long, testicular desensitization, alcohol and drugs, high body fat/poor heart health are all causes of low T outside of trauma to the brain or testicles. Too much blocking estrogen can seriously affect these numbers.