Regarding Research Studies

Nah, brah, my genes are fine. He’s probably off cycle on a TRT dose with masteron and GH. That’s why he doesn’t look bloofy and his skin is thin! When you’re on mass gaining steroids, you don’t need to train and you gain anyway. There are studies that prove this to be fact! All you do is up the dose! Do you know how many beginners I’ve seen in the gym blow up to natty bodybuilder size on a dbol only cycle? Doesn’t that make you question why you’re putting so much effort into chasing that 1lb of lbm a year? Watch Jason Blaha’s videos if you want to know more! I’m out!

I’m just trollin’…


Ok seriously, I’ve said this a couple of times.

First, I buy and engage people to do market research for clients. In my industry, you really get what you pay for and the results from their application are easily quantified. You want something good, you need to engage at least a phd with a good CV from working in the private sector undertaking the project and be prepared to pay good money for it. You pay peanuts, you get stuff that resembles high school projects. You also lose a lot of money if you rely on them and shit fucks up. The free market has a wonderful way of weeding out the bullshit when lots of money is involved. This is what much of the “research” often thrown around in the fitness industry today looks like to me.

Second, most people are parroting ARTICLES, NOT THE STUDIES. No one reads the fucking studies. Do you know how many times I’ve read an article and found it to be a complete misrepresentation(either deliberately or the author doesn’t understand the studies he is quoting) of the studies linked? Even the supposedly respected authors do this. READ THE STUDIES.


That was great.

I just wanted to co-sign your excellent point about reading the studies, not the articles. And how authors misunderstand or misrepresent the study to make their article cooler.

Specifically in the “frequency debate.” Every full body jerk-off talks about the Dr. Brad Schoenfeld study where 3 times a week was better than once a week. And how full body and frequency are awesome.

But when I listened to some podcasts with Dr. Schoenfeld, he said repeatedly that;

The study was bullshit, the training split was specially designed for the low frequency workout to suck. He also always mentioned First off that 99% (maybe actually 100% ) of body builders used body part splits. And how This was a better “study.”


I got a LOT bigger and stronger when I stopped worrying about science and started listening to bro-science.


I told this guy something similar and so did others then he gradually worked up to an all out hissy fit…

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On a more serious note, since it’s been brought up, do you guys think athleanx is actually, or has ever been on gear?

I enjoy watching his videos, haven’t ever actually done anything he recommends but I really like to have his voice in the background while I’m washing the dishes or doing other stuff.

Who or what is an athleanx?


That’s the guy’s youtube channel (and website and names of his programs?) I think his name is Jeff Cavaliere or something.

Is he that guy that trained Rich Froning?

No clue. Did he? Makes him a little cooler.

I’ve watched some of his videos before. Personally wouldn’t really listen to much to anything he says regarding strength but he’s got a few videos more prehab/rehab related that helped my shoulders. Nothing groundbreaking though.

It’s definitely possible if he has to maintain his physique year round with a busy lifestyle. That doesn’t mean his physique isn’t attainable naturally, nor does it mean he doesn’t know how to train naturals.

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Ah definitely, I’m not one of those idiots saying that anyone who isn’t natural doesn’t know how to train natties. I’m currently being trained by Paul Carter myself, who isn’t natty of course, and my body hasn’t complained yet about the progress I’ve made lol.

I was wondering that because in more than one occasion he openly spoke against steroids, and while I know that anyone can lie, it usually feels weird to me to imagine a person constantly claiming natural when in reality they aren’t. I mean, why can’t you just shut up on the topic if you’re using… Why throw away any sign of integrity and honesty claiming the opposite.

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If he’s based out of the US, steroids are illegal in this country, and on the same level of coke/heroin in terms of possession/distribution. Few professionals will openly admit to being felons, as it’s better to possibly be a liar than to definitely be a criminal.

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I can see your point, but again, unless SPECIFICALLY asked, which he hadn’t been in the occasions where he deliberately mentioned them, why not just stay silent on the topic?

You are a proof of concept that the question WILL get asked. It’s a pre-emptive defense.

In truth, it’s really not worth wasting your time why fitness youtubers do the thing they do. Fitness media in general is trash; it’s just another way people are trying to use the net to make money.

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Yeah, maybe. But anyway, I don’t know how the law works in the states, but at least here in Italy anyone is innocent until proven guilty. So still, one doesn’t have to answer that question although I can see why they would.

Totally agree on the fitness social media industry being trash anyway, like I stated I only happen to use it as a means to kill time. I watch a lot of YouTube to kill time tbh. But unlike some channels that are utter trash and I wouldn’t watch even if they were the only ones on the net, some happen to be more pleasing to listen to, even just to relax and watch 10 minutes of something, and athleanx for me is one of them.

Yeah, I know you’re not. I usually add that part in to make sure others who are reading the post get it.

I’ve never heard of him till today so I really have no comment lol. I don’t know if he’s on drugs or not. There’s always a possibility multiple angry noobs were attacking him on social media for using drugs before this and he’s running a business where it’s a sensitive topic. But really, I don’t know his history nor do I care.

I think it’s more about the court of public opinion rather than an actual court. If he doesn’t answer that question, he’s sort of answering that question. Know what I mean?


Sure, I mentioned that because the legal issue with possessing and using such substances were brought up.

That’s what I was referring to when I said that I could see why one would want to make it clear they’re not using nevertheless.