[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
How does it look for the main nations responsible for the wars to turn their backs on the people now suffering from the rise of IS and other groups from the power Vacuum? [/quote]
It looks as though civilians always have and always will suffer when wars occur.
So?[/quote]
Well for example, after ww2, the U.S rebuilt Japan. Sent relief aid, allowed Japanese to immigrate to the U.S. Despite the fact the regime was an ultra-nationalist imperialist one that carried out ethnic cleansing and genocide throughout Asia and launched an aggressive war on the U.S, the regime had mass support amongst the Japanese.
The Iraq war was an unjustified, terribly executed war that has lead to anywhere up to a million deaths, the fall of governmental control in hundreds of thousands of miles of territory, now being controlled by IS and AQI. Millions of people lost their homes, their livelihood, they have no access to basic medical care, often not having electricity or access to secure water.
Our funding of AQS and other Syrian rebels who are basically AlQaeda in Syria, this has lead to a staggering amount of death, the rise of IS and Al Nusra, the complete loss of homes, water, electricity and the ability to make a living. This has placed millions of people under direct IS control, the men amongst them having to choose between starving along with their family, working for IS, or fleeing to the west.
So why are we helping the people affected by our wars, less than the nation and people who launched an aggressive war on us and committed genocide throughout their region of operations?
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Because it was in our self-interest.
This isn’t some board game or sporting event with rules and fouls and “fair play.”[/quote]
It isn’t in our interest to let people fleeing IS, who otherwise would be forced to join IS (in IS areas IS are the only source of income for most fighting age men) come and live here and not join IS or Al Nusra or Islamic Jihad ?
IS hate the fact these people are leaving, it is in the wests interests to give these people refuge, it is also their moral obligation considering we created the vacuum and in many cases funded these groups when they were on the verge of being crushed in Syria.[/quote]
LOL.
No, it is not necessarily in our interest to allow masses of unidentified people flood into our countries.
As for moral obligation, well, did you miss the part about this not being some board game where everybody plays by rules? And anyway, our prime moral obligation is to insure the safety and well-being of our own.
You seem to be quite naive.
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Says the guy who blames Russia for the rise of the Mujahideen and the internal faction that arose out of it the Taliban, not the UK and U.S for funding the Mujahideen. You just engaged in an incredible warp of logic. When you employ rhetoric where the actions of the west can always be justified or be deemed comparatively less bad even in circumstances when they clearly are worse, you will never feel the need to stray from that confirmation bias.
Here is your Chomsky rationale at work:
God damn Brits, French and Americans, if it wasn’t for making Germany pay war reparations then German elites would never have had to support and fund Hitler, so Hitler, the guys who funded him, all only existed because of British, French and American imperialism, without them and their policies German elites would never have had to back the national socialist movement and their rise to power. So it really is Americas and Britains and Frances fault, not the germans, or the German financiers of the Nazi party, or the nazi Party’s fault.