#refugeeswelcome

This is going to turn out bad. No way to avoid that now.

A picture of a dead 3-year old washed up on the shore rustles the jimmies of any red-blooded bleeding-heart liberal in existence. The reality, life is cheap in Syria and many back-asswards 4th-world shitholes. The mortality rates of young kids is staggering by US standards.

While it is really bad to see a young child die like that, it doesnā€™t warrant opening up borders to thousands of people where there are certainly a few real bad apples mixed in with the good.

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:
The UK stated they would not be taking any but there has been a huge outcry after a young boy was washed up dead in the sea and the Government has backtracked overnight. Social media is also ablaze over this death with the hashtag #refugeeswelcome.
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All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to.

Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be.

The more modest its intellectual ballast, the more exclusively it takes into consideration the emotions of the masses, the more effective it will be.[/quote]

Is that you Herr Wolf?

This is a humanitarian crisis and the proper and humane thing for us(Europeans) to do is to take in and help those who are fleeing war, oppression and horror. It is situations like this that test the moral fiber of a nation or in this case an entire continent With many nations. If we fail to help the refugees we fail the moral test. I am glad to see that in my own city(Bergen in Norway) many People are saying they are willing to open up their homes for the refugees.

These People are fleeing from the horrorshow in Syria and Libya, two countrys who where cast into chaos in the aftermath of the interventions in Iraq and Libya. We(Europeans) ergo have a special responsibility to help. Now offcourse I wish that more middle-eastern countryā€™s would help, but even if they dont, does not excuse

Our future course of action regarding this.

[quote]florelius wrote:
This is a humanitarian crisis and the proper and humane thing for us(Europeans) to do is to take in and help those who are fleeing war, oppression and horror. It is situations like this that test the moral fiber of a nation or in this case an entire continent With many nations. If we fail to help the refugees we fail the moral test. I am glad to see that in my own city(Bergen in Norway) many People are saying they are willing to open up their homes for the refugees.

These People are fleeing from the horrorshow in Syria and Libya, two countrys who where cast into chaos in the aftermath of the interventions in Iraq and Libya. We(Europeans) ergo have a special responsibility to help. Now offcourse I wish that more middle-eastern countryā€™s would help, but even if they dont, does not excuse

Our future course of action regarding this. [/quote]

And how is this going to work out for the European taxpayer? And just how long can Europeans play Santa Claus for the world by supporting millions of people who by and largely despise the European race and European culture?

And these people going to be thankful and assimilate and obtain employment or live for free? I think the latter. If I were fleeing mistreatment in my own country and another welcomed me with open arms, I would literally kiss the damn ground that my host walks on! Iā€™d think, ā€œMy god am I lucky! I better learn to speak the language quick, take night classes to learn it, watch TV with a dictionary in my hands, whatever! Iā€™m going to get employed somehow. Iā€™m going to pay taxes. Iā€™m going to to take on the patriotism of my new country. Iā€™m going to follow THEIR rules! Iā€™m going to take on THEIR culture and THEIR norms! Iā€™m not going to bitch and moan when they donā€™t show an interest in or donā€™t tolerate the ways of my old country! Iā€™m in their house now, and I am going to make this work! Iā€™m not going to meander about the streets like a damn shiftless zombie on the government dole!ā€ This is exactly how my granddad went about things when the USA accepted him. What is an estimated percentage of the modern-day refugees who even think like this?

[quote]florelius wrote:
This is a humanitarian crisis and the proper and humane thing for us(Europeans) to do is to take in and help those who are fleeing war, oppression and horror. It is situations like this that test the moral fiber of a nation or in this case an entire continent With many nations. If we fail to help the refugees we fail the moral test. I am glad to see that in my own city(Bergen in Norway) many People are saying they are willing to open up their homes for the refugees.

These People are fleeing from the horrorshow in Syria and Libya, two countrys who where cast into chaos in the aftermath of the interventions in Iraq and Libya. We(Europeans) ergo have a special responsibility to help. Now offcourse I wish that more middle-eastern countryā€™s would help, but even if they dont, does not excuse

Our future course of action regarding this. [/quote]

Consequentialism should guide European policy, not emotions. Taking in refugees of this quality and quantity can only weaken European power, not strengthen it.

The Somali refugees in MN seem to be a dandy. Why wouldnā€™t anyone assume these well-intended gents wonā€™t gel into our society?

ā€œWe want Sharia!ā€

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
This is a humanitarian crisis and the proper and humane thing for us(Europeans) to do is to take in and help those who are fleeing war, oppression and horror. It is situations like this that test the moral fiber of a nation or in this case an entire continent With many nations. If we fail to help the refugees we fail the moral test. I am glad to see that in my own city(Bergen in Norway) many People are saying they are willing to open up their homes for the refugees.

These People are fleeing from the horrorshow in Syria and Libya, two countrys who where cast into chaos in the aftermath of the interventions in Iraq and Libya. We(Europeans) ergo have a special responsibility to help. Now offcourse I wish that more middle-eastern countryā€™s would help, but even if they dont, does not excuse

Our future course of action regarding this. [/quote]

Consequentialism should guide European policy, not emotions. Taking in refugees of this quality and quantity can only weaken European power, not strengthen it.
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The invasion of Iraq, the mishandling of that war at the expense of Iraq and no less, our servicemen, lead to the vaccum in which AQI were able to instigate civil war and create the clusterfuck from which IS, AN and all the other groups arose.

Add to that our funding of AlQaeda backed rebels in Syria and Libya, our airstrikes helping them sieze control of massive areas of Syria which lead to the Syrian civil war, without that said funding and NATO airstrike assistance, Assad would of crushed Al Nusra, Daesh and Islamic Jihad.

If the invasion had not happened, these people would not now be fleeing their homes, would not be facing the choice of conditions without running water, electricity and forced recruitment in Syria and Iraq or risking everything and paying $11000 dollars and risking their lives to come to the west.

We have real responsibility to take refugees. If we really are against IS, refusing to help the people fleeing them isnā€™t a great way to show it. We canā€™t just wipe our hands of the responsibility we have in being the ones who created and sadly funded the crazy bastards now controlling thousands of square miles of Syria and Iraq.

I am shocked so many Christians are acting in a way Christ would find foul. Would Jesus want us to help people fleeing war, ethnic cleansing and forced recruitment into a terrorist group or would he say fuck those poor desperate people, they are not welcome on our shores.

As for atheists, many of them have equally poor moral judgement on the issue.

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
This is a humanitarian crisis and the proper and humane thing for us(Europeans) to do is to take in and help those who are fleeing war, oppression and horror. It is situations like this that test the moral fiber of a nation or in this case an entire continent With many nations. If we fail to help the refugees we fail the moral test. I am glad to see that in my own city(Bergen in Norway) many People are saying they are willing to open up their homes for the refugees.

These People are fleeing from the horrorshow in Syria and Libya, two countrys who where cast into chaos in the aftermath of the interventions in Iraq and Libya. We(Europeans) ergo have a special responsibility to help. Now offcourse I wish that more middle-eastern countryā€™s would help, but even if they dont, does not excuse

Our future course of action regarding this. [/quote]

And how is this going to work out for the European taxpayer? And just how long can Europeans play Santa Claus for the world by supporting millions of people who by and largely despise the European race and European culture?

And these people going to be thankful and assimilate and obtain employment or live for free? I think the latter. If I were fleeing mistreatment in my own country and another welcomed me with open arms, I would literally kiss the damn ground that my host walks on! Iā€™d think, ā€œMy god am I lucky! I better learn to speak the language quick, take night classes to learn it, watch TV with a dictionary in my hands, whatever! Iā€™m going to get employed somehow. Iā€™m going to pay taxes. Iā€™m going to to take on the patriotism of my new country. Iā€™m going to follow THEIR rules! Iā€™m going to take on THEIR culture and THEIR norms! Iā€™m not going to bitch and moan when they donā€™t show an interest in or donā€™t tolerate the ways of my old country! Iā€™m in their house now, and I am going to make this work! Iā€™m not going to meander about the streets like a damn shiftless zombie on the government dole!ā€ This is exactly how my granddad went about things when the USA accepted him. What is an estimated percentage of the modern-day refugees who even think like this? [/quote]

Iraqi refugees have settled in my area, many came over a few years back. Some opened small businesses, some work at the takeawayā€™s and other work in the local shops etc. They are some of the friendliest people I have ever met. They employ some of the locals, pay taxes and take their kids to football on Saturdays.

This notion people fleeing Islamist rule and war want to impose sharia and kill infidels in their new homeland is so far from reality it is laughable. Just like most of the people who came to the U.S from Northern Ireland were not fanatic PIRA supporters who were hell bent on establishing a socialist republic as per the SF platform. They went to work, got jobs, had families.

ā€œThis notion people fleeing Islamist rule and war want to impose sharia and kill infidels in their new homeland is so far from reality it is laughableā€

^^^^^^^^^^^^After fighting/working/training troops in Iraq and Afghanistan for the past 10 years, this statement is either incredibly naive, or just plain stupid.

ā€œJust like most of the people who came to the U.S from Northern Ireland were not fanatic PIRA supporters who were hell bent on establishing a socialist republic as per the SF platform. They went to work, got jobs, had familiesā€

^^^^^^^^^ They were not of the Islamic faith. Not a valid example.

kind of hard to fight your enemies from thousands of miles away with an ak.
but next door different story

according to google maps
syria is not an island,they have roads,they border other countries that have roads, that border other countries
why are they taken boats and drowning???
maybe europeans are stupid and the countries that border syria know something is up???

[quote]idaho wrote:
ā€œThis notion people fleeing Islamist rule and war want to impose sharia and kill infidels in their new homeland is so far from reality it is laughableā€

^^^^^^^^^^^^After fighting/working/training troops in Iraq and Afghanistan for the past 10 years, this statement is either incredibly naive, or just plain stupid.

ā€œJust like most of the people who came to the U.S from Northern Ireland were not fanatic PIRA supporters who were hell bent on establishing a socialist republic as per the SF platform. They went to work, got jobs, had familiesā€

^^^^^^^^^ They were not of the Islamic faith. Not a valid example. [/quote]

The same was said of the bog trotting, priest ridden poppery of the Irish and Italian immigrants, who were not considered black and whose loyalty to the vatican was seen to outweigh duty to their new homeland. We saw Irish and Italian immigrants lynched by WASPā€™s. Irish people for a couple generations along with Italian people didnā€™t integrate, just the same as the jews, many had their own courts within communities, this is particularly true for jews today, who choose civil religious courts often times.

Stop being bigoted against Muslims when you wouldnā€™t find it acceptable to do to the Jews, Italians or the Irish. Italian immigrants have been responsible for far more crime than Muslim immigrants to the U.S. Donā€™t let the fact some people are darker and identify as muslims let you act like a WASP did to Italians and jews and the irish 100 years ago.

[quote]cavemansam wrote:
according to google maps
syria is not an island,they have roads,they border other countries that have roads, that border other countries
why are they taken boats and drowning???
maybe europeans are stupid and the countries that border syria know something is up???[/quote]

They are crossing from Turkey, not Syria. Several Greek islands such as Rhodes and Kos are just a few miles away from Turkish mainland. This is the route where most of the attempted crossings and drownings occur.

Also, it seems that some of the refugees are not happy with Germany. Somethingā€™s not right with the following story by a Palestinian refugee taken from The Guardian:

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The camp in Wurzburg city is a deserted school which hosts more than a hundred refugees mainly from Syria, Afghanistan and Albania. There are no women or children in the camp. I sleep in a basemen in a double bed with my cousin who has accompanied me all the way from Damascus to Germany.

The basement is getting colder day by day. There is no heating system and not enough thick blankets. There is only a single main meal at lunchtime. For breakfast and dinner we get only tins of sardines or cheese triangles. IĆ¢??m seriously thinking of going to Belgium to apply for asylum there. I think the pressure of refugees in Brussels is much less than in Germany and that means the asylum procedures would be faster.

I have received only Ć¢?Ā¬180 since I arrived in Germany last month and IĆ¢??ve moved to three camps so far. I met two Syrian refugees the other day who said that if the situation does not improve they are thinking of going back to Syria.[/quote]

[quote]cavemansam wrote:
kind of hard to fight your enemies from thousands of miles away with an ak.
but next door different story[/quote]

If they wanted to fight the infidel they would join ISIS, Al Nusra or Islamic Jihad, who are forcing men under their territorial control into their ranks. Instead they spent their life savings to escape ISIS, Al Nusra and Islamic Jihad to come to western democracies.

Many are Muslim, many are Christian, many are minority religions, some are athiests.

They are crossing from Turkey, not Syria. Several Greek islands such as Rhodes and Kos are just a few miles away from Turkish mainland. This is the route where most of the attempted crossings and drownings occur.

according to google maps
turkey is not an island it has roads,it borders other countries that have roads,which borders other countires that have roads maybe europeans are stupid and these countries know something is up

;;;;If they wanted to fight the infidel they would join ISIS, Al Nusra or Islamic Jihad, who are forcing men under their territorial control into their ranks. Instead they spent their life savings to escape ISIS, Al Nusra and Islamic Jihad to come to western democracies.;;;;

Many are Muslim, many are Christian, many are minority religions, some are athiests.

the western infidels in mideast tend to carry GUNS lots of GUNS and for the most part know how to use GUNS however alot of western european countries have lots of soft targets [lone wolf attacks anyone]
alot of people think muslim extremist are stupid,you overwhelm your target anyway you can strech his resources how many refugees are real and how many are loyal jihadist??