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Do you not see any connection between the way the refugeeâs are acting and their treatment by the authorities in many places like Hungary? Desperate people tend to act rather desperately. For example when you see on the news police beating the shit out of people holding babies and children with Saliva and tears streaming down their face from tear gas, it does not seem like they are rioting over nothing.
Some of the police actions have been gross overreactions. Especially the baton beating they gave to that elderly man holding a small child. Other stuff like the conditions at the camps as was filmed which caused popular outrage seem to point to reasonable anger from the refugees.[/quote]
I canât speak for Hungary but I have to stress that here migrants are fighting AMONG THEMSELVES. Local police are under strict orders not to use force, as can be seen from the meek reactions of the officers in the clips above.
Even the guy who hit a reported in the head with a rock has not been detained.
The migrants are VERY belligerent, on the evening of the first day the problems started when they refused to board a train for a detention center, insisting on being driven in buses instead and threatening to tear the railway station down.
When they protest, they tend to refuse food and water distributed by NGOs and Red Cross volunteers. This usually means that men prevent women and children from getting provisions.
As Iâve worked in the Gulf and speak a smattering of Arabic I spoke to a upper middle class family from Damascus - theyâre nice people but itâs incredible, itâs like Germany is hard-wired into their brain. One of the biggest problems I foresee is that they have wildly unrealistic expectations about life in Germany and the amount of help they will get.
I think Germany will have to deal with thousands of disaffected immigrants down the line.
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I think this is the most balanced account of a Syrian refugee in Germany. Read some of his points of response, he addresses most of your worries, some of them he is more close to your point of view than mine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3kos3j/iama_syrian_immigrant_in_germany_ama/[/quote]
4- âAre there ISIS jihadists among the refugees?â
Yes, that is quite a high possibility.
I would like to point out that this was my worry in the first place, and it has been verified by a Syrian as a legitimate concern.
â3- âYou are coming in mass numbers, youâre backwards and will commit many crimesâŚâ
Yup, many people came in mass numbers, but we wonât commit crimes, why do you think all these people are criminals? if in Syria, where the judicial and executive branches are well corrupted, and poverty is wide spread, crime wasnât common at all, at least in my region, so why exactly would these people have a change of heart in a more welcoming and safe country?â
This response does not engender much confidence, either.
If these people are not processed properly, this will be the mother of all bad decisions. [/quote]
i donât think anyone is saying there is no threat that IS will send men over, the issue is there are elements claiming large amounts of these desperate people are actually jihadists and that we should not let them seek refuge in our lands.
Some Irish immigrants were involved in Republican plots in England. That does not mean the logical or moral thing to do is ban all Irish immigrants from settling in England, because that sort of collective punishment is bigoted and is not compatible with the great cultural identity of the west, which despite all its bad actions in the past is the best hope of the world.
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Processing is not a collective punishment, it is basic, rational immigration policy. Besides, the differences between the IRA and Islamism have been mentioned before in this thread. One is apocalyptic, the other is not. [/quote]
IRA bombings and other terrorist attacks have killed more people in England than Muslim terrorism, and was just as random regarding the victims, such as toddlers, pensioners etc killed. Complete innocents. We didnât use these atrocities to implement such policies against the irish settling here. Many of whom were refugees from the violence in Ireland.
That does not even include all the other terror attacks in England nevermind the ones in NI.[/quote]
It occurs to me that thereâs no reason to try and wake you up from your fantasy world.
If you want those refugees in your country, youâre more than welcome to them.
Hopefully, the U.S. will have more sense.
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Seeing as the US lead the war that caused most of these people to become displaced, I would of thought Americans might have the common decency to take some off the hands of Germany and the rest of Europe. Coalition of the willing my arse.
Launch wars, create a vacuum, displace millions then just wash your hands of the whole thing and take no responsibility for housing the displaced and refugees looking to escape the region American intervention made 10 times worse.
God bless America!
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LOL!
You only have a high opinion of the U.S. when it then allows you to be âdisappointedâ by us.
How perfectly that fits with America Is Responsible For Every Bad Thing In The World.
Enjoy your refugees!
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Dismissing valid criticisms with defensive claims of âyou just want to blame us for everythingâ is tantamount to whitewashing our history and present foreign policy which has a negative affect all around the world.
People who do this ironically want to blame everyone but America and Europe for everything and paint ourselves as benevolent moral bastions of freedom. Ignoring our history of overthrowing democracies, arming dictators, destabilising regions and launching wars that kill so many people in the developing world.
You can do that if you want but it has no basis in reality. It also makes everyone hate us when we pretend the crimes we committed never happened. If you never learn from past mistakes you just generate more and more blowback from the policies we propagate.
Also, are you not yourself an immigrant?
