What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]
Not saying I disagree with you, but consider this; people constantly complain about how violent tv, music, video games, etc. are, but we are living in the lest violent time in human history, and the overall crime rate is consistantly decreasing in the US.[/quote]
A bit of a tangent, but I think the drop in crime in North America is a result of the baby boomers getting old and the legalization of abortion (Roe vs Wade)[/quote]
Read Freakonomics I see :)[/quote]
Haha, I read it around the time I started uni ~2005 and I think the evidence they presented was pretty solid.
What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]
The difference you arent acknowledging is that the sex drive is far different than the thoughts that go into the choice to kill another human. They arent directly comparable in the example you made.
What if it were true that animated images of completely fictional children completely satisfied the pedophiles desire to view kiddie porn. Should that be allowed? Should it be a crime to possess animated images of ‘underage’ children (the governments thinks so)?
I think theres strong evidence supporting the idea that not all pedophiles choose to be attracted to children. [/quote]
I understand the difference, which is why I said serial killers.
If pedophilia isn’t a “choice”, then it must have a genetic component. I wouldn’t be opposed to a government program in which self-identified pedophiles were given cartoon kiddie porn if they agreed to be sterilized and registered on a list which precludes them from contact with kids.[/quote]
It’s a mental disorder. Attraction is NOT a choice. Do you choose which women you are attracted to or does it just happen?[/quote]
Action is. I see women I want to fuck all the time but can’t and I don’t rape them.[/quote]
Attraction is genetic? Really? You mean we do not develop and refine our tastes based on life experiences?
That makes no damn sense. Are you saying we cannot help who we are sexually attracted to? Meaning, straight or gay? Not sure how that applies to pedophiles. How does it?
What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]
The difference you arent acknowledging is that the sex drive is far different than the thoughts that go into the choice to kill another human. They arent directly comparable in the example you made.
What if it were true that animated images of completely fictional children completely satisfied the pedophiles desire to view kiddie porn. Should that be allowed? Should it be a crime to possess animated images of ‘underage’ children (the governments thinks so)?
I think theres strong evidence supporting the idea that not all pedophiles choose to be attracted to children. [/quote]
I understand the difference, which is why I said serial killers.
If pedophilia isn’t a “choice”, then it must have a genetic component. I wouldn’t be opposed to a government program in which self-identified pedophiles were given cartoon kiddie porn if they agreed to be sterilized and registered on a list which precludes them from contact with kids.[/quote]
It’s a mental disorder. Attraction is NOT a choice. Do you choose which women you are attracted to or does it just happen?[/quote]
Action is. I see women I want to fuck all the time but can’t and I don’t rape them.[/quote]
Attraction is genetic? Really? You mean we do not develop and refine our tastes based on life experiences?
That makes no damn sense. Are you saying we cannot help who we are sexually attracted to? Meaning, straight or gay? Not sure how that applies to pedophiles. How does it?[/quote]
You will have to ask raj
What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]
The difference you arent acknowledging is that the sex drive is far different than the thoughts that go into the choice to kill another human. They arent directly comparable in the example you made.
What if it were true that animated images of completely fictional children completely satisfied the pedophiles desire to view kiddie porn. Should that be allowed? Should it be a crime to possess animated images of ‘underage’ children (the governments thinks so)?
I think theres strong evidence supporting the idea that not all pedophiles choose to be attracted to children. [/quote]
I understand the difference, which is why I said serial killers.
If pedophilia isn’t a “choice”, then it must have a genetic component. I wouldn’t be opposed to a government program in which self-identified pedophiles were given cartoon kiddie porn if they agreed to be sterilized and registered on a list which precludes them from contact with kids.[/quote]
It’s a mental disorder. Attraction is NOT a choice. Do you choose which women you are attracted to or does it just happen?[/quote]
Action is. I see women I want to fuck all the time but can’t and I don’t rape them.[/quote]
Attraction is genetic? Really? You mean we do not develop and refine our tastes based on life experiences?
That makes no damn sense. Are you saying we cannot help who we are sexually attracted to? Meaning, straight or gay? Not sure how that applies to pedophiles. How does it?[/quote]
You will have to ask raj[/quote]
What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]
The difference you arent acknowledging is that the sex drive is far different than the thoughts that go into the choice to kill another human. They arent directly comparable in the example you made.
What if it were true that animated images of completely fictional children completely satisfied the pedophiles desire to view kiddie porn. Should that be allowed? Should it be a crime to possess animated images of ‘underage’ children (the governments thinks so)?
I think theres strong evidence supporting the idea that not all pedophiles choose to be attracted to children. [/quote]
I understand the difference, which is why I said serial killers.
If pedophilia isn’t a “choice”, then it must have a genetic component. I wouldn’t be opposed to a government program in which self-identified pedophiles were given cartoon kiddie porn if they agreed to be sterilized and registered on a list which precludes them from contact with kids.[/quote]
It’s a mental disorder. Attraction is NOT a choice. Do you choose which women you are attracted to or does it just happen?[/quote]
Action is. I see women I want to fuck all the time but can’t and I don’t rape them.[/quote]
Attraction is genetic? Really? You mean we do not develop and refine our tastes based on life experiences?
That makes no damn sense. Are you saying we cannot help who we are sexually attracted to? Meaning, straight or gay? Not sure how that applies to pedophiles. How does it?[/quote]
I don’t know what shapes our attraction, but I do know it’s not a choice.
We cannot help who we are attracted to period. Not just straight or gay but a wide array of features (for lack of a better word) - Wide faces vs narrow faces, dark skin vs light skin, young vs. old, Body shape A vs Body Shape B.
It applies to pedophiles because they fall in the same boat. They do not choose to be attracted to children. The difference though is their sexual attraction is extremely dangerous and harmful to society.
What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]
The difference you arent acknowledging is that the sex drive is far different than the thoughts that go into the choice to kill another human. They arent directly comparable in the example you made.
What if it were true that animated images of completely fictional children completely satisfied the pedophiles desire to view kiddie porn. Should that be allowed? Should it be a crime to possess animated images of ‘underage’ children (the governments thinks so)?
I think theres strong evidence supporting the idea that not all pedophiles choose to be attracted to children. [/quote]
I understand the difference, which is why I said serial killers.
If pedophilia isn’t a “choice”, then it must have a genetic component. I wouldn’t be opposed to a government program in which self-identified pedophiles were given cartoon kiddie porn if they agreed to be sterilized and registered on a list which precludes them from contact with kids.[/quote]
It’s a mental disorder. Attraction is NOT a choice. Do you choose which women you are attracted to or does it just happen?[/quote]
Action is. I see women I want to fuck all the time but can’t and I don’t rape them.[/quote]
Attraction is genetic? Really? You mean we do not develop and refine our tastes based on life experiences?
That makes no damn sense. Are you saying we cannot help who we are sexually attracted to? Meaning, straight or gay? Not sure how that applies to pedophiles. How does it?[/quote]
There is almost certainly a genetic component to sexual attraction in general.
Im not going to go as far as saying that attraction is not a choice, as an absolute fact though. But it would be difficult to convice me that ALL pedophiles choose to be attracted to children.
Lets all separate the legal,moral,and emotion aspect of this subject please.
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Legally- Redit has no obligation to publish pictures that they find distasteful, nor is it their sites moderators jobs uphold the expectations of a given user at the expense of their employer. I’m sure that their duties are clearly outlined in a work agreement that this poster had nothing to do with.
Morally- If this guy feels that there is nothing wrong with questionable pictures which have been profanely captioned to imply sexuality, then he should find somewhere else to satisfy his need to see that. As a free agent of his own moral guidance he can do and see what ever he wants. It isn’t our societies job to protect him from himself.
Emotionally- Just speculating, but this person is extraordinarily myopic, emotionally immature, and prone to faulty conclusions if he doesn’t realize the previous two statements. Coupled with the use of guilt to imply that a website which does not condone child pornography is actually responsible for its propagation, I’d add manipulative to a fault, and delusional if he thinks that tactic would work.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
When you’re developing your tastes based on your life experiences, are you doing it by choice or does it just happen?[/quote]
The easy answer is it depends, but I think growth or maturation requires some reflection on our tastes. I have not really been attracted to blondes. Figure because my sister as blonde and therefore nonsexual. I have thought about, I have dated blonde women, still I prefer brunetes. My point is that we do have the choice to decide if something is acceptable or not and go from there. Children are not sex objects is a pretty consistent message to hear. There has to be some acceptance of the attraction to act upon it.
Counter argument is of course that pedophilia shows up in cultures around the world so why is that? Do not know. I do know that de Sade was against it. So are most cultures.
I will throw you this. There is a trend towards the sexualization of children, mainly girls, currently in the US. Have fun with that.
My point is that we do have the choice to decide if something is acceptable or not and go from there. Children are not sex objects is a pretty consistent message to hear. There has to be some acceptance of the attraction to act upon it.
Counter argument is of course that pedophilia shows up in cultures around the world so why is that? Do not know. I do know that de Sade was against it. So are most cultures.
I will throw you this. There is a trend towards the sexualization of children, mainly girls, currently in the US. Have fun with that.[/quote]
I’m not arguing against your point, nor do I think children should be seen as sex objects. I’m simply saying pedophiles on the whole do not choose their sexual attraction, they do choose their actions of course.
Not sure why you added “Have fun with that.” I’m not condoning pedophilia.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
When you’re developing your tastes based on your life experiences, are you doing it by choice or does it just happen?[/quote]
The easy answer is it depends, but I think growth or maturation requires some reflection on our tastes. I have not really been attracted to blondes. Figure because my sister as blonde and therefore nonsexual. I have thought about, I have dated blonde women, still I prefer brunetes. My point is that we do have the choice to decide if something is acceptable or not and go from there. Children are not sex objects is a pretty consistent message to hear. There has to be some acceptance of the attraction to act upon it.
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No no. you missed the point about choice.
Of course we choose how to act. Id say there are dozens of pedophiles that choose to not rape children. That doesnt make their attraction to children any weaker. The same way thousands of homosexuals choose to have sex with the opposite sex.
Choice of action was not the point I raised when I made my first comment.
What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]
The difference you arent acknowledging is that the sex drive is far different than the thoughts that go into the choice to kill another human. They arent directly comparable in the example you made.
What if it were true that animated images of completely fictional children completely satisfied the pedophiles desire to view kiddie porn. Should that be allowed? Should it be a crime to possess animated images of ‘underage’ children (the governments thinks so)?
I think theres strong evidence supporting the idea that not all pedophiles choose to be attracted to children. [/quote]
I understand the difference, which is why I said serial killers.
If pedophilia isn’t a “choice”, then it must have a genetic component. I wouldn’t be opposed to a government program in which self-identified pedophiles were given cartoon kiddie porn if they agreed to be sterilized and registered on a list which precludes them from contact with kids.[/quote]
It’s a mental disorder. Attraction is NOT a choice. Do you choose which women you are attracted to or does it just happen?[/quote]
Action is. I see women I want to fuck all the time but can’t and I don’t rape them.[/quote]
Attraction is genetic? Really? You mean we do not develop and refine our tastes based on life experiences?
That makes no damn sense. Are you saying we cannot help who we are sexually attracted to? Meaning, straight or gay? Not sure how that applies to pedophiles. How does it?[/quote]
You will have to ask raj[/quote]
I was, just building on your comment.[/quote]Gotcha.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
When you’re developing your tastes based on your life experiences, are you doing it by choice or does it just happen?[/quote]
The easy answer is it depends, but I think growth or maturation requires some reflection on our tastes. I have not really been attracted to blondes. Figure because my sister as blonde and therefore nonsexual. I have thought about, I have dated blonde women, still I prefer brunetes. My point is that we do have the choice to decide if something is acceptable or not and go from there. Children are not sex objects is a pretty consistent message to hear. There has to be some acceptance of the attraction to act upon it.
Counter argument is of course that pedophilia shows up in cultures around the world so why is that? Do not know. I do know that de Sade was against it. So are most cultures.
I will throw you this. There is a trend towards the sexualization of children, mainly girls, currently in the US. Have fun with that.[/quote]I’ve always been attracted to brunettes and figured its just what I was born liking myself. I have brunette and blonde women in my family but none of them find their way to my sexual thoughts so I’ve never considered my preferences a learned behavior. I lost my virginity to a sexy little Asian chick with jet black hair though, maybe I’m projecting? Who knows but actions can be controlled even if natural attraction can’t. General comments to the convo.
My point is that we do have the choice to decide if something is acceptable or not and go from there. Children are not sex objects is a pretty consistent message to hear. There has to be some acceptance of the attraction to act upon it.
Counter argument is of course that pedophilia shows up in cultures around the world so why is that? Do not know. I do know that de Sade was against it. So are most cultures.
I will throw you this. There is a trend towards the sexualization of children, mainly girls, currently in the US. Have fun with that.[/quote]
I’m not arguing against your point, nor do I think children should be seen as sex objects. I’m simply saying pedophiles on the whole do not choose their sexual attraction, they do choose their actions of course.
Not sure why you added “Have fun with that.” I’m not condoning pedophilia.
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Just that my cultural norm argument is weakened by stating that currently there is a trend towards sexualizing young children, and making innocence sexy.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
When you’re developing your tastes based on your life experiences, are you doing it by choice or does it just happen?[/quote]
The easy answer is it depends, but I think growth or maturation requires some reflection on our tastes. I have not really been attracted to blondes. Figure because my sister as blonde and therefore nonsexual. I have thought about, I have dated blonde women, still I prefer brunetes. My point is that we do have the choice to decide if something is acceptable or not and go from there. Children are not sex objects is a pretty consistent message to hear. There has to be some acceptance of the attraction to act upon it.
[/quote]
No no. you missed the point about choice.
Of course we choose how to act. Id say there are dozens of pedophiles that choose to not rape children. That doesnt make their attraction to children any weaker. The same way thousands of homosexuals choose to have sex with the opposite sex.
Choice of action was not the point I raised when I made my first comment. [/quote]
I am just not sold on the genetic component. It strikes me more as an aspect of taste. I, however, am not against a consideration of experiences that might trigger a particular taste or expression of it.
I have a hard time seeing pedophila as an expression of love, there is just something too predatory about it.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
When you’re developing your tastes based on your life experiences, are you doing it by choice or does it just happen?[/quote]
The easy answer is it depends, but I think growth or maturation requires some reflection on our tastes. I have not really been attracted to blondes. Figure because my sister as blonde and therefore nonsexual. I have thought about, I have dated blonde women, still I prefer brunetes. My point is that we do have the choice to decide if something is acceptable or not and go from there. Children are not sex objects is a pretty consistent message to hear. There has to be some acceptance of the attraction to act upon it.
[/quote]
No no. you missed the point about choice.
Of course we choose how to act. Id say there are dozens of pedophiles that choose to not rape children. That doesnt make their attraction to children any weaker. The same way thousands of homosexuals choose to have sex with the opposite sex.
Choice of action was not the point I raised when I made my first comment. [/quote]
I am just not sold on the genetic component. It strikes me more as an aspect of taste. I, however, am not against a consideration of experiences that might trigger a particular taste or expression of it.
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Do you hold this position solely with pedophilia or also for heterosexuality and homosexuality as well?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
When you’re developing your tastes based on your life experiences, are you doing it by choice or does it just happen?[/quote]
The easy answer is it depends, but I think growth or maturation requires some reflection on our tastes. I have not really been attracted to blondes. Figure because my sister as blonde and therefore nonsexual. I have thought about, I have dated blonde women, still I prefer brunetes. My point is that we do have the choice to decide if something is acceptable or not and go from there. Children are not sex objects is a pretty consistent message to hear. There has to be some acceptance of the attraction to act upon it.
[/quote]
No no. you missed the point about choice.
Of course we choose how to act. Id say there are dozens of pedophiles that choose to not rape children. That doesnt make their attraction to children any weaker. The same way thousands of homosexuals choose to have sex with the opposite sex.
Choice of action was not the point I raised when I made my first comment. [/quote]
I am just not sold on the genetic component. It strikes me more as an aspect of taste. I, however, am not against a consideration of experiences that might trigger a particular taste or expression of it.
I have a hard time seeing pedophila as an expression of love, there is just something too predatory about it.[/quote]
Where did the need for an expression of love come from?
Ignoring the irrelevance of love in a discussion about physical attraction, do you not think that an adult can love a child? We all know the answer to that. And are there not relationships between adults with some predatory basis?
Whether youre sold on genetic predisposition towards attraction is not really something worth going back and forth on. Im certainly not about to start diving into those studies. Im sure theyre out there though.
Some of my thoughts here are predicated by some research findings about the fluidity of sexual orientation in women, where who a women is attracted to might, for some, be more important than gender. While I realize that is another can of worms, I still think it is fixation on children feeds something other than sexual attraction - though whatever that is can be expressed sexually.
Some of the recent cases of adult teachers shagging/raping underaged boys were reasoned to be something other than pedophilia, something to do with stunted maturation or a need to relive that time period, etc…
I just think there is more going on, though I will agree, the feeling of choice in the manner may not be felt by the individual.
Scary stat I heard, most case of sexual abuse on kids is from kids acting out theory own abuse and trying to make sense of it. Something to consider.