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Reddit Finally Bans Child Porn

#1

http://gawker.com/5884619/reddit-reluctantly-bans-child-porn

Believe it or not,even though a majority of the people on this site praise the thought of a section of a extreme popular site the celebrated underage children in sexually suggested pictures,there still are a small group that objects to the move. Here a post by a reader that,I hate to say it,make a good point:

I feel like im in a strange postion speaking on the subject. Im 23 years old and without children. Im in the position where many people would consider me as an adult legally but as far as life experience go,I might still be a kid. It wasn't that far along ago that I left highschool and experience first hand how kids,girls especially,can be very provocative and sexually charge especially in the age where they can easily take nude pictures of themselves or have their boyfriends record videos of themselves fucking each other. Now would this be consider child pornography even when I was a kid at the time and me and the girls I fucked were consenting to it? How young is to young? I understand that this might be alittle different than uploading pictures of these girls on the internet today than it was years ago when we only shared it with some of our friends but its not to far apart.

Lets all separate the legal,moral,and emotion aspect of this subject please.

#2

It’s an 11 year old dude. I don’t think you have any question as to the fact that 11 is OBVIOUSLY too young.

And young is relative - I was 19 and my girl was 17 - my first serious relationship. So that’s only a 2 year age difference.

I’m 45 now…so what’s too young changes as I age.

But pre-pubescent children - there’s no question that they should NOT be sexualized in any way…

#3

I’m sorry to say but if you are trying to justify to somehow keep the section of “child/pre-teen” images up, you’re fucked up. Its simple ethics and laws that everyone has learned to grow up with but the few guys that are classified as “pedophiles” have not. Pedophilia is not a religion of a belief it is a simple disgusting trait that falls onto people. I feel bad for those daughters that these pedophiles may or may not have. Haveing legal “jailbait” pictures are suppose to control these people from not looking at illegal photos? You have users already posting screen shots from a banned film with a site that HAS “legal” photos"…

(Not directed to you QFlex)

#4

Were the girls you were fucking 11 year old? Were you and the girls 11 years old when you fucked? Are the girls and boys fucking each other and filming it while doing so age 11?

An 11 year old is a child.

I’d cringe if the girl is 14 too. Still wrong to me.

However, two 16 years old having consensual sex shouldn’t qualify as child pornography. They’re not kids at that age.

#5

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

However, two 16 years old having consensual sex shouldn’t qualify as child pornography. They’re not kids at that age.
[/quote]

But thats the argument isn’t it? In your mind,16 year olds arent really kids but in the eyes of the law,they are. The age of consent in Texas is 17. Apparently,before you turn another year on top of 16,your a virgin flower full of innocence and vulnerability but when the day your birthday comes around,your an adult who should be thrown in a jail cell with other disgusting,immoral animals who fucked kids and rape nuns.

When I was 16,I was a walking boner. All I thought about was smoking weed and finger fucking girls. If I took pictures it’d be all fun and games until that day comes where I magically become an adult overnight. Its all a grey area.

#6

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
I’m sorry to say but if you are trying to justify to somehow keep the section of “child/pre-teen” images up, you’re fucked up. Its simple ethics and laws that everyone has learned to grow up with but the few guys that are classified as “pedophiles” have not. Pedophilia is not a religion of a belief it is a simple disgusting trait that falls onto people. I feel bad for those daughters that these pedophiles may or may not have. Haveing legal “jailbait” pictures are suppose to control these people from not looking at illegal photos? You have users already posting screen shots from a banned film with a site that HAS “legal” photos"…

(Not directed to you QFlex)[/quote]
While I agree that its wrong,thats just you and me. We both (along with most people on this site) grew up in a culture where having sex is just something done between 2 consenting “adults” (more or less,18 year olds) In other parts of the world,that simply isnt the case.

The middle eastern “Bacha bazi” is a great example. Fighting in that region of the world,U.S. soldiers have discovered and exposed us to one of the horrors of this particular part of the world. Warlords and wealthy nobles would actually buy young boys for entertainment and sex. This is a widespread “problem” in the eyes of westerners such as ourselves but the people familiar and grew up in this culture see no problem with it. Why would they? They actually have a proverb that exemplifies this phenomenon;“Women for breeding, boys for pleasure, but melons for sheer delight”

#7

Sexting underwent some legal challenges last year covering much of these same issues. I think there was a thread about it. I suggest searching for it, it was interesting at times. I remember at some point the idea if the “girl has boobs” was offered up as when girls were old enough - even if she was 11. It was a strange time on the boards following that discussion. I think some posters were run-off.

#8

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
Pedophilia is not a religion of a belief it is a simple disgusting trait that falls onto people. [/quote]

Statutory rape is a crime that I agree should be prosecuted. I find pedophilia as morally abhorrent as any other reasonable adult living in modern civilized society.

With that said, I think you are underestimating the complexity of pedophilia. Im not prepared to engage in a debate on the nuances of ‘choice’, when it comes to sex but consider this. In the sentence I quoted, replace the word ‘pedophilia’ with ‘homosexuality’. At one point in time the overwhelming majority of civilized society found homosexuality morally abhorrent.

#9

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
I’m sorry to say but if you are trying to justify to somehow keep the section of “child/pre-teen” images up, you’re fucked up. Its simple ethics and laws that everyone has learned to grow up with but the few guys that are classified as “pedophiles” have not. Pedophilia is not a religion of a belief it is a simple disgusting trait that falls onto people. I feel bad for those daughters that these pedophiles may or may not have. Haveing legal “jailbait” pictures are suppose to control these people from not looking at illegal photos? You have users already posting screen shots from a banned film with a site that HAS “legal” photos"…

(Not directed to you QFlex)[/quote]
While I agree that its wrong,thats just you and me. We both (along with most people on this site) grew up in a culture where having sex is just something done between 2 consenting “adults” (more or less,18 year olds) In other parts of the world,that simply isnt the case.

The middle eastern “Bacha bazi” is a great example. Fighting in that region of the world,U.S. soldiers have discovered and exposed us to one of the horrors of this particular part of the world. Warlords and wealthy nobles would actually buy young boys for entertainment and sex. This is a widespread “problem” in the eyes of westerners such as ourselves but the people familiar and grew up in this culture see no problem with it. Why would they? They actually have a proverb that exemplifies this phenomenon;“Women for breeding, boys for pleasure, but melons for sheer delight”[/quote]

Check CNN, they had a story about child sex trafficking case in India posted yesterday.

Child sex trafficking is a problem in the US as well.

Sex is cultural, but keeping your hands off small children is just about a universal norm.

#10

What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.

#11

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#12

[quote]overstand wrote:

What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]

Not saying I disagree with you, but consider this; people constantly complain about how violent tv, music, video games, etc. are, but we are living in the lest violent time in human history, and the overall crime rate is consistantly decreasing in the US.

#13

[quote]Chris87 wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]

Not saying I disagree with you, but consider this; people constantly complain about how violent tv, music, video games, etc. are, but we are living in the lest violent time in human history, and the overall crime rate is consistantly decreasing in the US.[/quote]

Correlation =/= causation. Ice cream sales and murder rates are also positively related.

#14

[quote]overstand wrote:

What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]

The difference you arent acknowledging is that the sex drive is far different than the thoughts that go into the choice to kill another human. They arent directly comparable in the example you made.

What if it were true that animated images of completely fictional children completely satisfied the pedophiles desire to view kiddie porn. Should that be allowed? Should it be a crime to possess animated images of ‘underage’ children (the governments thinks so)?

I think theres strong evidence supporting the idea that not all pedophiles choose to be attracted to children.

#15

Legal -

It is illegal to take, share, download et cetera images of minors engaged in sexual activity. It is my understanding that it is illegal to do the same with depictions of minors engaged in sexual activity, which the pictures and captions you describe would be.

Moral -

11 year olds are children. Pre-pubescent children not physically adapted for sex, never mind the emotional debate. The pictures you have described are morally reprehensible.

Emotional -

Irrelevent in the face of legal and biological facts really.

Your post comes off as one defending the pics now banned from reddit. I’m curious, where in Texas do you live?

Maybe we could meet for a beer, you know, to discuss the legal, moral and emotional aspects of vigilantism and guilt before proven innocence.

#16

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]

The difference you arent acknowledging is that the sex drive is far different than the thoughts that go into the choice to kill another human. They arent directly comparable in the example you made.

What if it were true that animated images of completely fictional children completely satisfied the pedophiles desire to view kiddie porn. Should that be allowed? Should it be a crime to possess animated images of ‘underage’ children (the governments thinks so)?

I think theres strong evidence supporting the idea that not all pedophiles choose to be attracted to children. [/quote]

I understand the difference, which is why I said serial killers.

If pedophilia isn’t a “choice”, then it must have a genetic component. I wouldn’t be opposed to a government program in which self-identified pedophiles were given cartoon kiddie porn if they agreed to be sterilized and registered on a list which precludes them from contact with kids.

#17

[quote]Chris87 wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]

Not saying I disagree with you, but consider this; people constantly complain about how violent tv, music, video games, etc. are, but we are living in the lest violent time in human history, and the overall crime rate is consistantly decreasing in the US.[/quote]

A bit of a tangent, but I think the drop in crime in North America is a result of the baby boomers getting old and the legalization of abortion (Roe vs Wade)

#18

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]

The difference you arent acknowledging is that the sex drive is far different than the thoughts that go into the choice to kill another human. They arent directly comparable in the example you made.

What if it were true that animated images of completely fictional children completely satisfied the pedophiles desire to view kiddie porn. Should that be allowed? Should it be a crime to possess animated images of ‘underage’ children (the governments thinks so)?

I think theres strong evidence supporting the idea that not all pedophiles choose to be attracted to children. [/quote]

I understand the difference, which is why I said serial killers.

If pedophilia isn’t a “choice”, then it must have a genetic component. I wouldn’t be opposed to a government program in which self-identified pedophiles were given cartoon kiddie porn if they agreed to be sterilized and registered on a list which precludes them from contact with kids.[/quote]

It’s a mental disorder. Attraction is NOT a choice. Do you choose which women you are attracted to or does it just happen?

#19

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Chris87 wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]

Not saying I disagree with you, but consider this; people constantly complain about how violent tv, music, video games, etc. are, but we are living in the lest violent time in human history, and the overall crime rate is consistantly decreasing in the US.[/quote]

A bit of a tangent, but I think the drop in crime in North America is a result of the baby boomers getting old and the legalization of abortion (Roe vs Wade)[/quote]

Read Freakonomics I see :slight_smile:

#20

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

What a total horseshit argument. Is he trying to say that “legal jail bait” pictures are somehow pacifying people who would otherwise be child molesters? Good thing we have horror movies, lord knows how many serial killers we’ve kept off the streets. This guy is a total pedophile and I hope Reddit forwards his info to the FBI.[/quote]

The difference you arent acknowledging is that the sex drive is far different than the thoughts that go into the choice to kill another human. They arent directly comparable in the example you made.

What if it were true that animated images of completely fictional children completely satisfied the pedophiles desire to view kiddie porn. Should that be allowed? Should it be a crime to possess animated images of ‘underage’ children (the governments thinks so)?

I think theres strong evidence supporting the idea that not all pedophiles choose to be attracted to children. [/quote]

I understand the difference, which is why I said serial killers.

If pedophilia isn’t a “choice”, then it must have a genetic component. I wouldn’t be opposed to a government program in which self-identified pedophiles were given cartoon kiddie porn if they agreed to be sterilized and registered on a list which precludes them from contact with kids.[/quote]

It’s a mental disorder. Attraction is NOT a choice. Do you choose which women you are attracted to or does it just happen?[/quote]
Action is. I see women I want to fuck all the time but can’t and I don’t rape them.