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Recent Blood Tests

hey all. i have been “off” for roughly 3 months, after tapering my tet injections from a peak of 750mg a week, to 500, then 250, then 125mg a week, and 0mg for the last 3 months.

i went to see a “quality of life medicine” doctor 3 weks ago and tests were done. here is what they showed:

liver and kiney funtions NORMAL. this is after being “on” for nearly 2 years straight. woo-hoo!

cholesterol-176
triglycerides-81
hdl-33
ldl-127
vldl-16
cholesterol/hdl ratio-5.3

tsh-2.40

total test-525
shbg-24.3
free test-126
%free test-2.4
bioavailable test-308
albumin-4.5
estradiol-36

psa-1.9

his recommendations:

though my t-levels are not bad, he would like to see them better. he does not think i need test injections or replacement at this time.

he wants to opimize my thyroid, get it alittle higher.

my hdl need to be raised.

he thinks increasing my aerobic conditioning and fiber and some other supplements and increase my exposure to sunlight(i am a night shift person) will
raise my hdl, help my thyroid and hdl levels.

the following suplementation program is what he recommends:

  1. pantothanine 900mg a day
  2. increase fiber to 250mg a day, or about 4 table spoons of milled flax a day
  3. chromium picohinate 200mg twice a day
  4. 5-star rated phamaceutical grade fish oil that is triglyceride based, i am not sure how the FLAME-OUT that i have just started rates, but he rcomended the stuff form ZONE-LABS and NORDIC NATURALS. if anyone (mods included) have anything to say about this i will listen.

ALSO, as far as pharmaceuticals go:

a program of HGH injections to optimze fat loss

HCG to increase natural testosterone

and thyroid supplementation.

any input/insite or opinions are welcome.

What kind of doc did you go to to get all those tests, your general practitioner or a specialist?

[quote]eqpfunk wrote:
What kind of doc did you go to to get all those tests, your general practitioner or a specialist?[/quote]

Doesn’t sound like a doctor at all. Sounds like a magician!

I would be wary of standalone hCG. Ive heard from alot of people who have had test fluctuate madly by the day, and also have had reasonable increases in estradoil from standalone hCG. Your estradoil level is perfect. You dont want it going into the 40’s and higher.

I would stay away from that. If your going to bother injecting hCG, IMO, you might as well inject test and take adex to go along with it, LOL.

The Zone stuff and nordic labs are high quality fish oil. Its much better than the other stuff sold on the shelves. But I would go with Flameout. With the addition of CLA its not only a better quality fish oil, its also cheaper.

Holy cow, I can’t believe your test came back that high that fast. After 2 years of being on, after only 3 months off that is super impressive. Kinda crazy what the body can do sometimes. Are you going to go back on or take a break?

Monopoly

[quote]eqpfunk wrote:
What kind of doc did you go to to get all those tests, your general practitioner or a specialist?[/quote]

a “quality of life” medical specialist. now get this straight… the things he mentioned about the thyroid and hgh and hcg, will be self pay. as none of my lab tests showed “disease levels” and insurance companies are all about treating diseases, not optmizing perfromance and “quality of life”, they will not cover that stuff. the initial price ranges seem reasonable though.

[quote]Lejes wrote:
eqpfunk wrote:
What kind of doc did you go to to get all those tests, your general practitioner or a specialist?

Doesn’t sound like a doctor at all. Sounds like a magician!

[/quote]

lol

[quote]T-Nick wrote:
I would be wary of standalone hCG. Ive heard from alot of people who have had test fluctuate madly by the day, and also have had reasonable increases in estradoil from standalone hCG. Your estradoil level is perfect. You dont want it going into the 40’s and higher.

I would stay away from that. If your going to bother injecting hCG, IMO, you might as well inject test and take adex to go along with it, LOL. [/quote]

whoa, your talking greek to me! the hCg is not stand alone, but with hgh. and i have to be careful as far as taking any of my “own” test with his program as he warned me that he would be monitoring my levels regulary and any “super-physiologic” levels would rais a red flag and he would discontinue treating me.

i am not even sure what estradiol is, let alone adex. educate me.

[quote]T-Nick wrote:
The Zone stuff and nordic labs are high quality fish oil. Its much better than the other stuff sold on the shelves. But I would go with Flameout. With the addition of CLA its not only a better quality fish oil, its also cheaper. [/quote]

ok, thanks for that info.

[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Holy cow, I can’t believe your test came back that high that fast. After 2 years of being on, after only 3 months off that is super impressive. Kinda crazy what the body can do sometimes. Are you going to go back on or take a break?

Monopoly[/quote]

you know, i was not so surprised. i have been on the record on these boards before claiming “bull-shit” to all the fanaticism about the importance of post cycle therapy. i have never used it, and not had the side effects many others have claim.

i got my initial steroid advice fomr louis simmons, when he told me a LONG time ago that if i decided to do anything, to get on a low dose of something and just stay on a long time, no cycling or stacking, etc.

maybe i am just lucky?

[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Holy cow, I can’t believe your test came back that high that fast. After 2 years of being on, after only 3 months off that is super impressive. Kinda crazy what the body can do sometimes. Are you going to go back on or take a break?

Monopoly[/quote]

as far as going back on, see my earlier post. i have to be careful of my t-levels, as if he checks them and they are super-high levels, he will stop treating me.

[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Holy cow, I can’t believe your test came back that high that fast. After 2 years of being on, after only 3 months off that is super impressive. Kinda crazy what the body can do sometimes. Are you going to go back on or take a break?

Monopoly[/quote]

you know that i have looked back on some of my logs, i have not been off THAT long. i had just finished a 2 month period of 0 injections, and had started back on 450mg /week of a 4 test blend in mid october. i stayed on only for like 2 weeks, as the pain and symtoms of the BA in the stuff i had was wearing me down. so after a 2 month “off” and a 2 week “on” if have been completley off since late october.

so maybe i still have some of that stuff circulating? i doubt it as the longest acting ester has a half life of like 2 weeks max(enathate?), but i am sure somebody here would know better than me and chime in.

I understand how assuring it is to be under a Dr’s care; my Dr. seems to be more proactive and likes to see a Test level of about 800+, something from my teens. I have felt good from months now, no “buzz” just simply good and motivated again at 36 yrs old.

Good luck with this run, I was also happy to see my blood work after years of youthful thinking and actions what a relief.
On a GH note don?t do it with out blood work!

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
Holy cow, I can’t believe your test came back that high that fast. After 2 years of being on, after only 3 months off that is super impressive. Kinda crazy what the body can do sometimes. Are you going to go back on or take a break?

Monopoly

as far as going back on, see my earlier post. i have to be careful of my t-levels, as if he checks them and they are super-high levels, he will stop treating me.

[/quote]

Lots of good info here. What are you trying to accomplish by treatment with this Dr? I’m just curious as it seems all of your bloodwork looks pretty good.

Monopoly

[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
heavythrower wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
Holy cow, I can’t believe your test came back that high that fast. After 2 years of being on, after only 3 months off that is super impressive. Kinda crazy what the body can do sometimes. Are you going to go back on or take a break?

Monopoly

as far as going back on, see my earlier post. i have to be careful of my t-levels, as if he checks them and they are super-high levels, he will stop treating me.

Lots of good info here. What are you trying to accomplish by treatment with this Dr? I’m just curious as it seems all of your bloodwork looks pretty good.

Monopoly[/quote]

just to tune things up and optimize my trainig and life. i know what it feels like to have higher t levels and to be a young man, i want some of that back. no big deal.

Standalone hCG is exactly what your doc is recommending. When I say “Standalone” I mean hCG therapy without what it usually goes along with - Test and an anti estrogen.

Estradoil = estrogen. With hCG, you will see increases in estradoil(estrogen).

Adex = Arimidex. Its an anti estrogen.
It can be bought cheaply online without a script. Its the drug of choice for HRT.

Here is the thing - If your gonna get in the water, might as well jump in. Thats what Im saying about your doc wanting you on hCG. If your gonna bother with hCG, your already bothering with injections, and you might end up needing an anti-estrogen down the road, so if thats the case, hell, you might want to try HRT anyways. If your not and decide to wait, I would hold up on the hCG.

Standalone HGH would be fine(and a wise choice if you can swing it).

I would not go with a everyday dosing protocol for it. Most report the best bang for the buck with the fewest side effects by injecting either EOD or 5/2.

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
T-Nick wrote:
I would be wary of standalone hCG. Ive heard from alot of people who have had test fluctuate madly by the day, and also have had reasonable increases in estradoil from standalone hCG. Your estradoil level is perfect. You dont want it going into the 40’s and higher.

I would stay away from that. If your going to bother injecting hCG, IMO, you might as well inject test and take adex to go along with it, LOL.

whoa, your talking greek to me! the hCg is not stand alone, but with hgh. and i have to be careful as far as taking any of my “own” test with his program as he warned me that he would be monitoring my levels regulary and any “super-physiologic” levels would rais a red flag and he would discontinue treating me.

i am not even sure what estradiol is, let alone adex. educate me.
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What other aas besides test and test blends have you used Thrower? Orals? BTW that’s not me offering to blow you.

thanks t-nick or the info

wideguy: that is just about it, cept for a very short time i stacked a very somall dose of deca(100-200mg a week) withthe test to see if it helped my joints. which it did for a short period of time, thought it was the mirical drug i had been looking for, but after about 3 months i did not notice any more positive effects fomr it and stopped it.

no orals.

Hhmm. That’s kinda what I thought as I’m pretty sure you’ve mentioned it in your past posts. Just wondering during the 2 years of being on how much muscle/ strength did you gain and how much do you still have?