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Ready for First Cycle, Need Help on Final Details

I know I am going to get shouted at for this but I really feel like I have done loads of research and am now at a point where I need a few straight answers before I order the goods, please help :slight_smile:

First Cycle Draft

Week 1-8 Day 1-57 (57 days 19 doses) Sustanon 250mg Every 3rd Day (4 x 1250mg/5ml = £90.00 - 250mg/1ml left)
Week 1-12 Day 1-87 (87 days 29 doses) Arimidex 0.5mg Every 3rd Day (1 x 30mg box = £33.00 - 15.5mg left)
Week 3-9 Day 13-63 (51 days 17 doses) HCG 250iu Every 3rd Day (1 x 5000iu = £22.00 - 750iu left)
Week 10-12 Day 66-87 (21 days/doses) Nolvadex 40\30\20 mg per day (3 x 300mg box = £30.90 - 270mg left)
Week 10-12 Day 66-87 (21 days/doses) Clomid 100\50\50 mg per day (1 x 1500mg box = £15.50 - 100mg left)

Total Cost = £191.40

Should I add an oral or another injectable to cycle?

Is dosage all ok on all of these for a first cycle i.e. enough for good results low enough to avoid sides?

If I take Sustanon, Arimidex and HCG every third day can these all be on the same day?

Does pricing seem about right as this may be an indication on the legitimacy of the supplier?

Do any of these clash such as Nolvadex, Arimidex and Clomid at the same time at these dosages for the final 21 days?

The one I am most unsure of is HCG, does this seem right for pricing/dosage/ammount?
It comes with a 2ml vial of liquid to mix the dry solution with but someone told me to use 250iu each time so is it going to be hard to split this into that small dose?

Is 1 inch 25 gauge needle in the quad going to be good for the sustanon? How about the HCG?

Final question does anyone know if there is a way to legally buy needles and syringes in the UK?

[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
I know I am going to get shouted at for this but I really feel like I have done loads of research and am now at a point where I need a few straight answers before I order the goods, please help :slight_smile:

First Cycle Draft

Week 1-8 Day 1-57 (57 days 19 doses) Sustanon 250mg Every 3rd Day (4 x 1250mg/5ml = �£90.00 - 250mg/1ml left)
Week 1-12 Day 1-87 (87 days 29 doses) Arimidex 0.5mg Every 3rd Day (1 x 30mg box = �£33.00 - 15.5mg left)
Week 3-9 Day 13-63 (51 days 17 doses) HCG 250iu Every 3rd Day (1 x 5000iu = �£22.00 - 750iu left)
Week 10-12 Day 66-87 (21 days/doses) Nolvadex 40\30\20 mg per day (3 x 300mg box = �£30.90 - 270mg left)
Week 10-12 Day 66-87 (21 days/doses) Clomid 100\50\50 mg per day (1 x 1500mg box = �£15.50 - 100mg left)

Total Cost = �£191.40

Should I add an oral or another injectable to cycle?

Is dosage all ok on all of these for a first cycle i.e. enough for good results low enough to avoid sides?

If I take Sustanon, Arimidex and HCG every third day can these all be on the same day?

Does pricing seem about right as this may be an indication on the legitimacy of the supplier?

Do any of these clash such as Nolvadex, Arimidex and Clomid at the same time at these dosages for the final 21 days?

The one I am most unsure of is HCG, does this seem right for pricing/dosage/ammount?
It comes with a 2ml vial of liquid to mix the dry solution with but someone told me to use 250iu each time so is it going to be hard to split this into that small dose?

Is 1 inch 25 gauge needle in the quad going to be good for the sustanon? How about the HCG?

Final question does anyone know if there is a way to legally buy needles and syringes in the UK?[/quote]

Stop adex before pct. Can take sust/hcg/adex on same day; plenty of people do this. I would increase pct to 28 days for the hell of it. Most people use smaller needles(higher #) for hcg; 25g:1 inch is ok if you’re not fat.

Not sure about prices or anything about the UK.

Here we go bit of a revision what do you guys think?

First Cycle Second Draft

Intramuscular
Day 1-58 (20 doses) Sustanon 250mg Every 3rd Day (4 x 1250mg/5ml = £90.00)
Day 7-58 (10 doses) Trenbolone Enanthate 250mg Every 6th Day (5 x 500mg/5ml = £125.00)
Day 13-70 (20 doses) HCG 250iu Every 3rd Day (1 x 5000iu = £22.00)

Oral
Day 1-70 (24 doses) Arimidex 0.5mg Every 3rd Day (1 x 30mg box = £33.00 - 18mg left)
Week 11-12 Day 73-100 (28 doses) Nolvadex 40\30\20\10 mg per day (3 x 300mg box = £30.90 - 200mg left)
Week 10-12 Day 73-93 (21 days/doses) Clomid 100\50\50 mg per day (1 x 1500mg box = £15.50 - 100mg left)

Total Cost = £316.40

Train hard and eat loads and keep 10lb muscle with no fat, does that seem reasonable at these doses?

Does pricing seem about right as this may be an indication on the legitimacy of the supplier?

I know I can’t ask about a supplier on here but can I ask about the quality of a manufacturer as these are all made by one?

The one I am most unsure of is HCG, does this seem right for pricing/dosage/amount?
It comes with a 2ml vial of liquid to mix the dry solution with but someone told me to use 250iu each time so is it going to be hard to split this into that small dose?

Is 1 inch 25 gauge needle in the quad going to be good for Sustanon, Trenbolone Enanthate and HCG?

Final question does anyone know if there is a way to legally buy needles and syringes in the UK?

Is this your first time using tren? I’d suggest Ace if thats the case.

Yes it is my first time on steroids at all, I couldn’t find a reason to go either way what makes you say ace is better please mate?

I decided on enanthate as I am already injecting every third day with hcg and sustanon that would only add one more every week but if I go ace I gotta do that every other day meaning I hardly ever get a day where I don’t need an injection.

The injection part doesn’t bother me im just thinking like work, house and other commitments and squeezing in all the eating, training and pinning haha.

[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
Yes it is my first time on steroids at all, I couldn’t find a reason to go either way what makes you say ace is better please mate?

I decided on enanthate as I am already injecting every third day with hcg and sustanon that would only add one more every week but if I go ace I gotta do that every other day meaning I hardly ever get a day where I don’t need an injection.

The injection part doesn’t bother me im just thinking like work, house and other commitments and squeezing in all the eating, training and pinning haha. [/quote]

Ace because its entirely possible that the sides might be to strong for you to handle at the dosages your injecting it at and with the longer u will have to wait longer to adjust it accordingly. With Ace you can see pretty fast if your able to handle the sides or have to adjust it. And I believe Enth ester of Tren is considered harsher as well.

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Thanks optheta if I was to use ace for the tren could I get away with every third day with the sust and hcg or would that mean my blood levels would be up and down?

Sooo… Need to know if tren ace is ok every third day ?

Thanks

Sam

So I have done plenty more research and think I may have found a source which I’m testing with some Clen on order at the moment…

Day 1-58 (20 doses) Sustanon 250mg Every 3rd Day
Day 1-70 (24 doses) Arimidex 0.5mg Every 3rd Day
Day 7-58 (10 doses) Trenbolone Enanthate 250mg Every 6th Day
Day 13-70 (20 doses) HCG 250iu Every 3rd Day
Day 73-93 (21 days/doses) Clomid 100\50\50 mg per day
Day 73-100 (28 doses) Nolvadex 40\30\20\10 mg per day

I think I’m happy with this cycle but there are a few things I could really do with getting confirmed if someone is willing to help, the main one is if I swapped Tenbolone Enanthate with Acetate would it be safe to do it every third day with the Sust as I know that normally that should be every other day or even every day from what people are saying??

After reading what I said I feel the need to clarify. 25gauge is ok for test but I would get an even smaller gauge for hcg. Sorry for the confusion.

No worries what size would you / have you used for HCG?

Hey Sam,Let’s say your drug protocol is spot-on?? My question to you is.What is your goal? Are you training to compete in a bodybuilding contest,powerlifting,or some other sport.

The reason I ask is taking a steroid regime with no target and or direction is for what reason?. Can I give you some advice.Set a goal any goal because a direction you end-up nowhere. If you are young,tyr for a novice bodybuilding contest,at least your potential will be recognized,and you may excel,or at least now where you stand in the packing order. goodluck john

Do not pin tren a E3D. ED is best

@johnny k53 – I’ve been training natural for a while, I’m fairly young (just turned 27) progress has really slowed and I currently sit at 6ft1 190lb 10% BF , my goal with either this cycle or 1 more a few months down the line is 200lb 8% BF , not for a sport or contest just a personal goal really. never done any steroids hormones etc. before.

Do you think the cycle looks good for these goals?

@steve rogers – Thanks mate I thought as much will stick with the enanthate as detailed above then. What you think of the cycle?