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Rap Music

Hate it or love it? It seems like rap is the only thing topping the charts these days. I personally love it but I would like to hear others opinions.

www.myspace.com/juiceflow, This is the best dude i’ve heard thats unsigned, if anyones interested.

Love it, but i dont like the mainstream stuff. Im as white as can be, own an insurance agency, and its all i listen to unless im working out i listen to metal. Im 19 by the way, that might be why i like rap. Check out some Dayton Family, from Flint, Michigan.

only in the states. rap has a large presence, but by no means to the extent there is over there.

We have a range, from new music bands like the artic monkeys (promoted on the internet and hit it big), to house and pop etc etc.

I imagine it has a lot to do with the models of radio stations…radio 1, one of the biggest, plays all types of music throughout the day, with specialist shows at certain times.

oh, i i dont mind it, but the most popular stuff is pony.

I’m a big rap and hip hop fan, but I don’t like most mainstream and airplay stuff. In fact, I don’t even like much newer stuff. Maybe I’m just getting old.

love it, its all i listen too…check some of this underground stuff out.Its DZK and F.A.T. together but they each got some crazy solo stuff if you look em up.

I hate it. I don’t care for much of the music, and although rappers sure can talk fast, they usually don’t have much to say. A lot of words rhyme with fuck. And if you can’t rhyme it, slur your words or just change how you say it (like Nelly, it is hot in her). Don’t worry, you don’t need to write music, just sample it from somebody else who wrote it.
I really think the hip-hop gangsta culture is degrading the quality of American life. You have these urban thugs glamorizing a shitty lifestyle, encouraging drugs and violence, treating women like shit and being proud of it. Then you have your suburban kids who haven’t seen struggle or a hard days work in thier life, imitating what they see and hear, trying to be ‘ghetto’.
I could go on, but I won’t. I’ll just some it up and say that the rap sub-culture lacks any culture.

[quote]combatmedic wrote:
I hate it. I don’t care for much of the music, and although rappers sure can talk fast, they usually don’t have much to say. A lot of words rhyme with fuck. And if you can’t rhyme it, slur your words or just change how you say it (like Nelly, it is hot in her). Don’t worry, you don’t need to write music, just sample it from somebody else who wrote it.
I really think the hip-hop gangsta culture is degrading the quality of American life. You have these urban thugs glamorizing a shitty lifestyle, encouraging drugs and violence, treating women like shit and being proud of it. Then you have your suburban kids who haven’t seen struggle or a hard days work in thier life, imitating what they see and hear, trying to be ‘ghetto’.
I could go on, but I won’t. I’ll just some it up and say that the rap sub-culture lacks any culture.[/quote]

I knew this would come up and I don’t mean to point you out specifically, but when people have these opinions, it’s usually based solely on pop-rap or stuff from MTV (you even used Nelly as an example). There is so much more and so much better stuff out there. If all I saw and heard was the stuff on MTV, I would probably have the same opinions.

And for the record, I think Bob Dylan slurs worse than most rappers.

Love it, I’m 43. You don’t have to be black to love it, music is universal and subjective, we all have different tastes. I agree that some of the rap is pointless and I mean that it is pointless to me, cursing is unnecessary, however it may have it’s place in today’s society where more and more tolerance is given to cursing and that’s not a good thing, it is disrespectful IMO. I’m not here to debate it, just some kids find cursing makes them harder or tougher, I find it comical. Rap will hit you to the core if it has the right words, you don’t have to be from the ghetto to appreciate the hardships expressed. Rap has been around since the 1920 or 30’s if I remember correctly. I enjoy dance music for working out, although I do workout mostly hearing the music of the iron clanging away.

[quote]malonetd wrote:
combatmedic wrote:
I hate it. I don’t care for much of the music, and although rappers sure can talk fast, they usually don’t have much to say. A lot of words rhyme with fuck. And if you can’t rhyme it, slur your words or just change how you say it (like Nelly, it is hot in her). Don’t worry, you don’t need to write music, just sample it from somebody else who wrote it.
I really think the hip-hop gangsta culture is degrading the quality of American life. You have these urban thugs glamorizing a shitty lifestyle, encouraging drugs and violence, treating women like shit and being proud of it. Then you have your suburban kids who haven’t seen struggle or a hard days work in thier life, imitating what they see and hear, trying to be ‘ghetto’.
I could go on, but I won’t. I’ll just some it up and say that the rap sub-culture lacks any culture.

I knew this would come up and I don’t mean to point you out specifically, but when people have these opinions, it’s usually based solely on pop-rap or stuff from MTV (you even used Nelly as an example). There is so much more and so much better stuff out there. If all I saw and heard was the stuff on MTV, I would probably have the same opinions.

And for the record, I think Bob Dylan slurs worse than most rappers.[/quote]

(1) I agree with you as far as mainstream music, rap and others just being terrible. There is some good rap out there, I cannot take that away. I’m rather fond of Wu Tang. Other artists do have some valid political points, some funny songs and some innovative styles. I can’t say every rapper is shit, but as a whole…
(2) You have a point about Dylan. And I am sure, in his day and age, the older generation looked at him as a no talent ass clown who was ruining society. Maybe the only difference between a classic like him and Tupac being a classic twenty years from now is time. But god, I hope not.

[quote]jogle1234 wrote:
Love it, but i dont like the mainstream stuff. Im as white as can be, own an insurance agency, and its all i listen to unless im working out i listen to metal. Im 19 by the way, that might be why i like rap. Check out some Dayton Family, from Flint, Michigan.[/quote]

i guess i’m the only one that caught this, but this kid owns an insurance agency at 19?

anyways i listen to everything, mostly rock and rap, and only rock and rap when i lift. i never really understood those people that “hate mainstream” music because most of the time it is mainstream because it sounds good and people like it…

some good tracks i’ve been listening to while lifting recently:

Young Jeezy - Trap Star
Bubba Sparxxx - The Otherside
Jadakiss - Shoot Outs
Cam’ron - Welcome to New York City
anything by Chamillionaire or T.I.

also, anyone that really likes rap should check out Shells…he isn’t big time yet but he’s got some skills…and Papoose is the truth.

[quote]bigblue244 wrote:
i never really understood those people that “hate mainstream” music because most of the time it is mainstream because it sounds good and people like it…
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I just don’t like mainstream rap, or I should say, I don’t like what is mainstream right now. I loved mainstream 15-20 years ago. Give me Rakim and Public Enemy over today’s stuff anyday.

[quote]bigblue244 wrote:
i guess i’m the only one that caught this, but this kid owns an insurance agency at 19?[/quote]

It took longer than i thought for someone to say something about it, im partners with my dad i own 49% and he owns 51%. I think the employees have a hard time listening to what i tell them to do. i would too if i were 35 taking instructions from someone like me but ohh well.

For the most part I hate it, but I do have a CD in my car that I burned with some Rap songs, mostly older stuff, Ghetto Boys, Tupac, Bonethugs and Harmony, NWA, stuff like that. I don’t think I have heard any rap on the radio that I have liked in the last 10 years. I have nothing against it, just not my thing. I mostly listen to Country and Rock in the car and Metal in the gym.
I can’t say that I like the white hipganster wannabe’s in my neighborhood (which is affluent, these are well off kids), yelling at each other “whassup foo”. Listen to whatever you enjoy listening to, but get your own damn identity.

Rap is great for keeping the ignorant, ignorant. I’m for it. I don’t need the competition :slight_smile:

Same for tv. It keeps people from being aware and alive, and instead focuses their attention on what THE STARS are eating/wearing/driving.

I absolutly hate it, and the way it’s made millions of ‘people’ all round the world think they’re gangsters. I don’t understand how people can listen to it. It’s embarrasing to see white kids trying to reinact that lame player bullshit, with their caps on thinking they own the streets. When I see people with their windows down playing 50 cent it makes me cringe.

I personally think it has a negative affect on the world, and imbodies a crass materialism that has negative role models and unrealistic lifestyles, that kids/adults aspire to. And because it’s supposed to be street, and these kids/adult listeners are usually very poor, having your role models pushing their gold chains, women, cars in your face 24/7 can’t be good, especailly as they usually have no way to attain that kind of money, other than robbing, drugs etc etc.

My thoughts - it’s pathetic, and full of pretentious bollocks.

[quote]aikigreg wrote:
Rap is great for keeping the ignorant, ignorant.
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Please explain.

I like rap. I am as white as you can get, but I went to elementary school in the harsh parts of Mpls and got into it at a young age, lucky never turned into a whegro. Anyway, rap is inspiring and pumps me up sometimes when I work out. Im very diverse though. I also listen to rock and yes, country!

[quote]malonetd wrote:
aikigreg wrote:
Rap is great for keeping the ignorant, ignorant.

Please explain.[/quote]

I sort of know what he means.

[quote]jogle1234 wrote:
bigblue244 wrote:
i guess i’m the only one that caught this, but this kid owns an insurance agency at 19?

It took longer than i thought for someone to say something about it, im partners with my dad i own 49% and he owns 51%. I think the employees have a hard time listening to what i tell them to do. i would too if i were 35 taking instructions from someone like me but ohh well.
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Isn’t it crazy. I work for my best friend’s dad’s company, selling commercial loans, and I feel the same way. I am 19, and I am talking to older sophisticated men/women about huge loans that I get commission on. I feel like im cheating the system,I dropped out of college to work here, but I don’t see anything wrong with that fact that im not “qualified” to do the job if I know the business in and out and I know how the process works…

HATE IT…and if you think rap is the only thing topping the charts lately, man, you have a closed mind or have tunnel vision.