Rally to Restore Sanity / March to Keep Fear Alive

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think it is a tactic the Dems could use , carping has been very effective for the Reps [/quote]

How coulv they use it?

“We want other peoples money” is hardly a convincing rallying cry.

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Orion my friend, that’s not how they say it. It’s more like this "it’s so unfair that so many people don’t have health insurance, free college tuition, a new home, new car, new cloths, bla bla bla. They just want to take money from people who work hard for it and give it to those who’d rather live in a nanny state. The democrats have turned into socialists. Anyone calling themselves a democrat should hide his head.

Wait a second… Are you guys saying republicans don’t want, and take your money?

Seriously, on a scale of 1-10 just how fucking high are you guys?

here is a question: how can they restore something that have never existed?

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Wait a second… Are you guys saying republicans don’t want, and take your money?

Seriously, on a scale of 1-10 just how fucking high are you guys?[/quote]

Of course they do.

WHich is why the overwhelming majority of the Beck rally descrive themselves as independent.

Also, they primarily go after RINOs.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Wait a second… Are you guys saying republicans don’t want, and take your money?

Seriously, on a scale of 1-10 just how fucking high are you guys?[/quote]

And after we ran out GWB even took China’s money.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Wait a second… Are you guys saying republicans don’t want, and take your money?

Seriously, on a scale of 1-10 just how fucking high are you guys?[/quote]

And after we ran out GWB even took China’s money. [/quote]

To be fair, they use unfair practices like “saving” and “hard work”.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Wait a second… Are you guys saying republicans don’t want, and take your money?

Seriously, on a scale of 1-10 just how fucking high are you guys?[/quote]

Of course they do.

WHich is why the overwhelming majority of the Beck rally descrive themselves as independent.

Also, they primarily go after RINOs.

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I just have a real tough time believing that 95% of the tea partiers aren’t going to vote for whatever dolt the Republicans put up in the next election. They act like they’re independents, but it seems more like they’re pissed off Republicans (and getting less pissed by the second, mind you).

Let’s see…with 8 years of GWB we went from a surplus to a deficit by giving the top 1% or less of Americans a tax break and fighting a vengeance war against the man who tried to kill his father.

When one of the richest men in America has a secretary who is in the 35% tax bracket while he is in one almost half that is seen as okay and what’s right & proper, I think we need to change our thinking and the people in charge who think that way.

Besides, I bet Colbert and Stewart would throw one hell of a party.

[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Let’s see…with 8 years of GWB we went from a surplus to a deficit by giving the top 1% or less of Americans a tax break and fighting a vengeance war against the man who tried to kill his father.

When one of the richest men in America has a secretary who is in the 35% tax bracket while he is in one almost half that is seen as okay and what’s right & proper, I think we need to change our thinking and the people in charge who think that way.

Besides, I bet Colbert and Stewart would throw one hell of a party.[/quote]

There you go:

I don’t think anyone should take any of these guys seriously, whether it’s Glenn Beck OR Jon Stewart. There’s no difference between the two. They’re both a couple of bobblehead dolls that get paid a ton of cash to talk about politics, that’s it.

Glenn Beck may be some sort of representative of the Tea Party, but so what? The Tea Party won’t do shit once the general elections roll around. Yeah, sure they’ve mobilized some people, but nearly everyone they’ve mobilized already self-identifies as a conservative. In the general elections I suspect that, if anything, they’ll lose even worse than their more moderate partymates would have. Miller may win up in Alaska, but now that Luwarski or whatever the hell her name is has now begun her write-in campaign, Miller may still face a tough challenge. But what happens in Alaska is hardly representative of any trends developing across the country. The Tea Party candidates in Delaware and New York will get stomped on royally. I’m guessing something like 60% to 35%.

Given that the conservatives that make up the Tea Party were highly unlikely to vote for any candidate other than another conservative, I fail to see how the Tea Party is really changing anything but the GOP itself. They don’t appeal to, nor do they represent, most of mainstream America. According to a recent Gallup poll, 19% of Americans agree with the TP philosophy, but 63% completely disagree with it. Don’t foget: only about 10% of the registered electorate even voted in the primaries for the GOP and less than 5% voted in the Dem primaries. Primaries always bring out the more dedicated members of a party, and with a huge effort to change conservative politics like the Tea Party, the results of the primary are naturally going to be skewered in favor of the more activist section. But this Tea Party revolution within the GOP is not an indicator of future success in the general elections.

I don’t think this “insanity” that Jon Stewart aims to restore is even there. Obviously he’s referring to the TP element within the GOP when he says “insanity”, but the “sanity” that he hopes to restore is already there. When the media that most people get their news from is conservative (FoxNews, Limbaugh, Hannity, Wall Street Journal), then there’s a natural inclination to think that the country is headed down some hardline conservative path if you’re a liberal like Stewart.

But Stewart can’t do anything either. He’s just a guy who talks, like Beck. Beck isn’t mobilizing anything that wasn’t already there, he’s not mobilizing anything new, he certainly isn’t bringing any significant amount of moderates over and Stewart is the same. Gee, we’re going to bring back sanity! Well, it’s already here, if he assigns the label of “insanity” to the far right wing of the GOP. The people whose votes matter to “movements” are the moderates, because they have the ability to swing elections one way or the other. With the TP putting people who are further to the right than the people they beat in the primaries in general elections, the moderates don’t need to be mobilized; the Tea Party has essentially mobilized them by default.

[quote]orion wrote:
There you go:

http://reason.com/blog/2010/09/18/hey-look-at-me-im-a-conservati[/quote]

Great read, thanks for posting that!

[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Let’s see…with 8 years of GWB we went from a surplus to a deficit by giving the top 1% or less of Americans a tax break[/quote]

The “Bush” tax cuts extended to all income earners, not just the “wealthiest 1%”.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Given that the conservatives that make up the Tea Party were highly unlikely to vote for any candidate other than another conservative, I fail to see how the Tea Party is really changing anything but the GOP itself. They don’t appeal to, nor do they represent, most of mainstream America. According to a recent Gallup poll, 19% of Americans agree with the TP philosophy, but 63% completely disagree with it. Don’t foget: only about 10% of the registered electorate even voted in the primaries for the GOP and less than 5% voted in the Dem primaries. Primaries always bring out the more dedicated members of a party, and with a huge effort to change conservative politics like the Tea Party, the results of the primary are naturally going to be skewered in favor of the more activist section. But this Tea Party revolution within the GOP is not an indicator of future success in the general elections.

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This paragraph is well executed, and I think the TP and the GOP need to realize this, a shift to the right might attract lots of media attention and provide a venue for all the conservatives to get together and grumble about a certain ‘Kenyan socialist’, but at the end of the day by moving further from the center, they are alienating themselves from the bulk of the voters.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
According to a recent Gallup poll, 19% of Americans agree with the TP philosophy, but 63% completely disagree with it.
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Could you cite, please? Gallup has an analysis, dated Sept. 16, which purports TP support among Americans to be at 30%, with opposition at 27%.

“The poll finds 30% of Americans identifying themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement and 27% as opponents, with the remainder neutral or not having an opinion, consistent with what Gallup has found in four separate polls this year.

Doubt it will be very successful. I don’t agree with Stewart politically, but I do think it’s funny. Funny, though, probably won’t bring out the hundreds of thousands. Passion does. Anger does. A satirical gathering? Probably not so much.

I get that people are trying to make the Tea Party out to be a huge joke, but I really haven’t heard any level-headed and reasonable arguments about how being fed up with ungodly financial irresponsibility and massive increases in government seizures of power is “crazy” or “fear-mongering.”

I mean, seriously? You’re a racist lunatic if you’re against an overly interfering government and trillions of dollars of federal debt? The accusations just don’t connect to the reality…

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
According to a recent Gallup poll, 19% of Americans agree with the TP philosophy, but 63% completely disagree with it.
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Could you cite, please? Gallup has an analysis, dated Sept. 16, which purports TP support among Americans to be at 30%, with opposition at 27%.

“The poll finds 30% of Americans identifying themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement and 27% as opponents, with the remainder neutral or not having an opinion, consistent with what Gallup has found in four separate polls this year.

Saw it on CNN this morning. They were going over a bunch of polls and I know a couple of them were Gallup polls. Maybe it was a CNN poll. The fact remains that it was taken at random reflecting a proportional cross-section of the voting demographic.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
According to a recent Gallup poll, 19% of Americans agree with the TP philosophy, but 63% completely disagree with it.
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Could you cite, please? Gallup has an analysis, dated Sept. 16, which purports TP support among Americans to be at 30%, with opposition at 27%.

“The poll finds 30% of Americans identifying themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement and 27% as opponents, with the remainder neutral or not having an opinion, consistent with what Gallup has found in four separate polls this year.

Also, given that about half of the country self-identifies as conservative, 30% isn’t really that large of a percentage if it is accurate. There SHOULD be that many. That means that there must be a significant portion of Republicans who do not support the TP movement.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
According to a recent Gallup poll, 19% of Americans agree with the TP philosophy, but 63% completely disagree with it.
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Could you cite, please? Gallup has an analysis, dated Sept. 16, which purports TP support among Americans to be at 30%, with opposition at 27%.

“The poll finds 30% of Americans identifying themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement and 27% as opponents, with the remainder neutral or not having an opinion, consistent with what Gallup has found in four separate polls this year.

Also, given that about half of the country self-identifies as conservative, 30% isn’t really that large of a percentage if it is accurate. There SHOULD be that many. That means that there must be a significant portion of Republicans who do not support the TP movement.
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However, if you look at it such a way, than you must ask yourself why an even smaller percentage of Americans oppose the TP. Afterall, the remaining half (roughly) of Americans are Democrats. That means that there must be a significant portion of Democrats who do support the TP movement.

[quote]skaz05 wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Let’s see…with 8 years of GWB we went from a surplus to a deficit by giving the top 1% or less of Americans a tax break[/quote]

The “Bush” tax cuts extended to all income earners, not just the “wealthiest 1%”.[/quote]

Your facts don’t belong here. Why do so many brain dead people complain about keeping their money and ignore when Congress wastes incredible sums?

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
According to a recent Gallup poll, 19% of Americans agree with the TP philosophy, but 63% completely disagree with it.
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Could you cite, please? Gallup has an analysis, dated Sept. 16, which purports TP support among Americans to be at 30%, with opposition at 27%.

“The poll finds 30% of Americans identifying themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement and 27% as opponents, with the remainder neutral or not having an opinion, consistent with what Gallup has found in four separate polls this year.

Also, given that about half of the country self-identifies as conservative, 30% isn’t really that large of a percentage if it is accurate. There SHOULD be that many. That means that there must be a significant portion of Republicans who do not support the TP movement.
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However, if you look at it such a way, than you must ask yourself why an even smaller percentage of Americans oppose the TP. Afterall, the remaining half (roughly) of Americans are Democrats. That means that there must be a significant portion of Democrats who do support the TP movement.[/quote]

No. The rest are probably indifferent to it. The poll only accounts for 57% being either for or against the TP and the rest are neutral or indifferent to it. I’m sure there are those who don’t care who are Republicans, but there are most likely more who are indifferent who are Democrats. Plus, it’s a much worse sign for a Republican to be indifferent to a conservative movement then it is for a Democrat to be, in regards to the long-term viability of the TP.