Racist Lefties Heckle Obama

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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No, but they’ve already been cleared of any wrongdoing in that case. The investigators made it clear that the tape had been edited to show what O’Keefe wanted.

So you have an organization which helps poor and disadvantaged communities having federal funding pulled and having to shut down because a right-wing nutjob made a bogus recording to discredit them. Meanwhile, we continue to do business with, and the Republicans stand up for a contractor which makes it employees sign a contract saying that they can’t sue if they get raped.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/485424/franken_s_anti_rape_amendment

Nice job, right wingers. Side with Haliburton over rape victims.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
None of those signs are racist and the first is a guy that everyone has tried to remove from the tea party movement. We’ve had this argument on those signs before and you got dismantled.[/quote]

Excuse me? Are you fucking blind or high?

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

Alffi, you are just a racist. [/quote]

…and what is funny as hell…is that apparently this doesn’t bother anyone else as you all keep speaking to him like he is just one of the guys.

LOL

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

  1. There is no “narrative” being created about the Tea Party. All you have to do is look at the signs and listen to the rhetoric. Pseudo-conservatives are desperate to blame it on the media, which isn’t surprising, but all the media is doing is reporting. [/quote]

Said by the man who is so thoroughly infected by the “Tea Partiers are racist” meme, he can no longer recognize it.

What signs, you clown?

More ignorance on your part. Let me ask you, Ryan: how many Tea Parties have you been to? Of course the Dems are worried - that’s why they have you brainwashed. The term “useful idiot” aptly applies to you.

Yes, I put the progressive, “social democrat” wing of the Democratic party on the left. Conversely, I put “Communists” into the “I-don’t-know-anything-about-history or human nature” bin; or the bin for evil fascists, which, perversely, is the same bin actually.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
None of those signs are racist and the first is a guy that everyone has tried to remove from the tea party movement. We’ve had this argument on those signs before and you got dismantled.[/quote]

Excuse me? Are you fucking blind or high?[/quote]

No, but I am rational.

explain how they are.

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Ryan,

I once had a coach who used to rip my ass, I mean he yelled and bitched me out so bad, I was ready to quit. A friend of mine saw how it affected me, I was very discouraged. He told me that him yelling at me is not what I should be concerned with, it’s when he is not yelling at me. That’s when he just doesn’t care anymore. Same thing here.

All this press and media about the Tea Party, shows that some people have some degree of concern for them. When you see no further media coverage about them, then you know they are both ineffective and not worth looking into. I think Leftist media would love to see Tea Party people in the midst of a melee, but you just don’t see that. You hear shouts of, “They are racist homophobic xenophobes filled with hate !” Then they pan the camera into the crowd and what do you see?

A bunch of people holding signs, smiling, waving American flags, Don’t Tread On Me Flags, people of all ages and backgrounds. Yes you have some knuckleheads who are just extreme in their thoughts, but I do not categorize an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. If I saw a group of people dressed in Nazi garb marching in formation like the German SS, then yea I would call them racist.

Will the Tea Party have an effect on elections? Probably, but I would not say it is the sole reason why someone either was elected or not elected. You have a lot of pissed off people for all sorts of reasons. Some people hung Bush in effigy and no one complained. Do you think someone could do that to Obama, and no one would care? There is clearly a double standard when white people protest, versus a minority group protest. Does anyone care? Nope. Should they?

This is much like refereeing a game, either you call all of it, or you call none of it. You cannot cherry pick your material to present as news, that goes for both sides of the argument. There is much the Republicans have done that I disagree with.

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:Said by the man who is so thoroughly infected by the “Tea Partiers are racist” meme, he can no longer recognize it.

What signs, you clown?[/quote]

Before you call me a clown, you might want to watch the videos I posted. Otherwise, you’ll just look silly.

I have not seen a more indoctrinated poster on this entire board. Congratulations. You say I’m so brainwashed that I think signs calling Obama a monkey, saying he is attacking “white America,” that he is “illegal,” are not racist. Congratulations again is all I can say.

Like I said, you’re utterly ignorant.

Come on, it can’t hurt that much to think a little bit.

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Possible, but not nearly to the extent you claim. See, the least you can say about Bush protestors is that they usually were protesting something he had actually done. They had a reason. You see these brief interviews with Tea Partiers, however, and they come out with some of the zaniest shit you ever heard. That’s the difference.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

Alffi, you are just a racist. [/quote]

…and what is funny as hell…is that apparently this doesn’t bother anyone else as you all keep speaking to him like he is just one of the guys.

LOL[/quote]

Not really, but a racist that can defend his point of view in a coherent manner is a rare thing, how could we possibly be mean to him?

Do you stomp on butterflies?

Methinks you do not understand the nature of PWI.

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:Said by the man who is so thoroughly infected by the “Tea Partiers are racist” meme, he can no longer recognize it.

What signs, you clown?[/quote]

Before you call me a clown, you might want to watch the videos I posted. Otherwise, you’ll just look silly.

I have not seen a more indoctrinated poster on this entire board. Congratulations. You say I’m so brainwashed that I think signs calling Obama a monkey, saying he is attacking “white America,” that he is “illegal,” are not racist. Congratulations again is all I can say.

Like I said, you’re utterly ignorant.

Come on, it can’t hurt that much to think a little bit.
[/quote]

You know what Ryan - it’s absurd and offensive to go around making baseless accusations, particularly with respect to racism, which I take very seriously.

If you’re going to start throwing that accusation around, you had better have some fucking good damn proof.

And as yet, you haven’t shown any. Still, oddly enoughy, you feel perfectly comfortable throwing around the accusation.

Yeah, I do think that means your a fucking clown.

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Here we go again. Different thread, same subject. It’s so hard to get the real story from any media source because all of them have their own agendas and skew the facts accordingly. Unless you have been to a Tea Party, then you really can’t criticize it. I haven’t been to one, I work too much. Anyone can make a video, edit it, and portray the story they want. The media is notorious for reporting every instance that supports their viewpoint, and omitting stories that don’t.

Calling someone or a group derogatory names is the first step in discrediting them in an attempt to make them unpopular, much like the tactis used in elementary school grades 1-5. Here is how I view the movement. The illusion of choice is being shattered. Left, right, republican, democrat, conservative, liberal. It’s all the same. Both republican and democratic parties are for the expansion of government and taking more responsibilities than those granted to them by the constitution. Bigger govt means higher taxes and more influence on your daily life. I think that is the main push behind the movement. It is not a republican or democratic movement. There are obviously some racists and nutjobs mixed in there, but I beleive the majority of the people are hard working, tax paying, law abiding, god fearing, and down-right “good” people that see something wrong in the current system and would like to see us return to the priciples this country was founded on.

But, like I said, I haven’t been to one yet. Slightly off subject, but I have to include it because it shows some common misconceptions about this country. This video is extremely informative and worth every second of your time. Democracy Is Just One Step Closer To A Oligarchy.flv - YouTube

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
The democratic problem with america is that the republican party and the democratic party are both rightwing partys,
[/quote]
AHAHAHAHAH!!! [/quote]

On the political spectrum the democrats are center-right…

Obama could -maybe- be considered center.

Obviously the American culture is currently shifted VERY far right to have smart people actually believing the Democrats are socialist.

Put Obama in any developed country other than America and his policies would be considered far-right conservative.

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[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
The democratic problem with america is that the republican party and the democratic party are both rightwing partys,
[/quote]
AHAHAHAHAH!!! [/quote]

On the political spectrum the democrats are center-right…

Obama could -maybe- be considered center.

Obviously the American culture is currently shifted VERY far right to have smart people actually believing the Democrats are socialist.

Put Obama in any country but America and his policies would be considered far-right conservative.[/quote]

Yes - however, the whole point of a measuring system (say, a yardstick/meter - or a political spectrum) is that it doesn’t change according to “the times” or to “place.” In fact, a measuring system has to set a standard that’s unchanging precisely so we can track changes over time/place.

So, on the basis of the traditional political spectrum, Obama is very far to the left - though, perhaps, not quite Marxist.

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
The democratic problem with america is that the republican party and the democratic party are both rightwing partys,
[/quote]
AHAHAHAHAH!!! [/quote]

On the political spectrum the democrats are center-right…

Obama could -maybe- be considered center.

Obviously the American culture is currently shifted VERY far right to have smart people actually believing the Democrats are socialist.

Put Obama in any country but America and his policies would be considered far-right conservative.[/quote]

Yes - however, the whole point of a measuring system (say, a yardstick/meter - or a political spectrum) is that it doesn’t change according to “the times” or to “place.” In fact, a measuring system has to set a standard that’s unchanging precisely so we can track changes over time/place.

So, on the basis of the traditional political spectrum, Obama is very far to the left - though, perhaps, not quite Marxist.

[/quote]

Actually the left/right spectrum changes in time because rightwing equals ( upper class ) and leftwing equals ( lower class ). The the term leftwing/rightwing are from the french revolution, when then king placed the nobility to his right and the commoners at his left. It turned in to an tradition in all democratic nations. In the period of the democratic revolutions ( america, france and rest of westeuropa ), what we now call rightwing ideologys where back then leftwing because it represented the common people against the nobility who where royalist. When the commoners wone the revolution they established there own state, and the middleclass ( men with property ) became the new upper class. The new lower class was then the working class( men without property ). Over time the workingclass constructed there own political movement, and socialisme was its ideology. The liberalist upperclass then went from radicals to conservative. In between this classes it was people who did not fit either of them, they became the new middle class. They became the center in the new political landscape, and there ideology was socialliberalist. The Democratic party is a moderat socialliberalist party at best, and Obama is also a socialliberalist.

I am a true leftist, I belong to the workingclass and I am a socialist.

to sum up:

political spectrum in late feudal societys: rightwing: nobility and royalists. leftwing: common people and liberalists/republicans.

political spectrum in our capitalist society: rightwing: upper class and liberalists. leftwing: working class people and socialists.

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
No, but they’ve already been cleared of any wrongdoing in that case. The investigators made it clear that the tape had been edited to show what O’Keefe wanted.

So you have an organization which helps poor and disadvantaged communities having federal funding pulled and having to shut down because a right-wing nutjob made a bogus recording to discredit them. Meanwhile, we continue to do business with, and the Republicans stand up for a contractor which makes it employees sign a contract saying that they can’t sue if they get raped.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/485424/franken_s_anti_rape_amendment

Nice job, right wingers. Side with Haliburton over rape victims.[/quote]

Time to get back on your meds Ryan.

One day you make lucid posts that, while I may not agree with them, I can at least shift perspective momentarily and adopt your point of view.

Next, you come up with the above nonsense that I can only assume was written to get a rise.

Why? What is the point? What possible good can come of defending an organization that perpetrates voter fraud by buying the “votes” of vagrants with cigarettes and alcohol?

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:You know what Ryan - it’s absurd and offensive to go around making baseless accusations, particularly with respect to racism, which I take very seriously.

If you’re going to start throwing that accusation around, you had better have some fucking good damn proof.[/quote]

Uh-oh, he’s cursing! He must be angry!

The only absurd thing here, tough guy, is the right’s refusal to acknowledge the blatant racism in the Tea Party. You want “proof?” You could just turn on the news. But I also posted videos on the previous page (which I pointed out before, but which you evidently cannot find).

Well imagine how stupid you’re going to feel once you finally the “previous” button on your browser.

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No, he’s not. Being extremely generous, he might barely break the center. You can’t even name any “left-wing” things he’s done, because he hasn’t done any.

Also, Marxism is not a spot on the left-right spectrum.

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[quote]JEATON wrote:Time to get back on your meds Ryan.

One day you make lucid posts that, while I may not agree with them, I can at least shift perspective momentarily and adopt your point of view.

Next, you come up with the above nonsense that I can only assume was written to get a rise.[/quote]

You want to act like a child, I’ll treat you like a child (not speaking to you in this case). The point, as usual, is to point out the blatant hypocrisy of the right. If they really cared about federal money being given to illicit organizations, there are much bigger fish to fry than ACORN, as I noted. The point is that this is just another partisan attack, not any principled objection.

And as a side note, I don’t care about your approval, so if it’s all the same, you can drop the lectures. Many members here are far more abusive and inflammatory than I am (even within this very thread), yet I’ve never seen you complain about it. It seems like you’re simply upset that the left on this board won’t play nice while the right hurls insults. I get sick of it occasionally. Sue me.

Now why would you possibly care about voter fraud in this sham democracy? Anyway, we’re capitalists–why shouldn’t we be able to sell our vote?

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[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Here we go again. Different thread, same subject. It’s so hard to get the real story from any media source because all of them have their own agendas and skew the facts accordingly. Unless you have been to a Tea Party, then you really can’t criticize it. I haven’t been to one, I work too much. Anyone can make a video, edit it, and portray the story they want. The media is notorious for reporting every instance that supports their viewpoint, and omitting stories that don’t.

Calling someone or a group derogatory names is the first step in discrediting them in an attempt to make them unpopular, much like the tactis used in elementary school grades 1-5. Here is how I view the movement. The illusion of choice is being shattered. Left, right, republican, democrat, conservative, liberal. It’s all the same. Both republican and democratic parties are for the expansion of government and taking more responsibilities than those granted to them by the constitution. Bigger govt means higher taxes and more influence on your daily life. I think that is the main push behind the movement. It is not a republican or democratic movement. There are obviously some racists and nutjobs mixed in there, but I beleive the majority of the people are hard working, tax paying, law abiding, god fearing, and down-right “good” people that see something wrong in the current system and would like to see us return to the priciples this country was founded on.

But, like I said, I haven’t been to one yet. Slightly off subject, but I have to include it because it shows some common misconceptions about this country. This video is extremely informative and worth every second of your time. Democracy Is Just One Step Closer To A Oligarchy.flv - YouTube

that video is pure propaganda, it does not explain anarchisme properly. Its true about one thing do, the founding fathers did not create a democracy. Only men with property could wote in the old republic, thats clearly not democracy, thats a oligarchy.

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[quote]florelius wrote:

that video is pure propaganda, it does not explain anarchisme properly. Its true about one thing do, the founding fathers did not create a democracy. Only men with property could wote in the old republic, thats clearly not democracy, thats a oligarchy. [/quote]

They did NOT create a democracy - that’s the whole point of the video.