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Questionable Advice from a Friend

Tired of the demanding BB lifestyle, I’m into martial arts exclusively now. Ever being the one wanting an extra edge, I’m looking for some compounds which will improve my explosive strength and endurance, with adding as little weight as possible. 10 pounds tops. A big issue is also avoiding acne, which I’m prone to more than an average person while on gear.

My dealer friend recommended the following:

Sostanon 250 1 amp twice a week

or

Masterone 100 3 times a week

or

Anavar at least 30 mg daily. Or a combination of the above.

That would be for a 3 month cycle.

As for acne, he suggests taking Saw Palmetto, which, as far as I know, has to do with prostate health and not skin health.

Does all this have any merit whatsoever?

those aren’t proper cycles.

use Differin for the acne

What would a proper cycle involve, considering my goals?

Having never heard of the drug you’re recommending, I’ll do a bit of research on it.

Also, I’d like to take this opportunity to apologize to the mods for TRIPLE posting this damn topic. I got a message about a server timeout or some-such, and just tried to post again. Sorry.

A proper cycle would involve an outline of total mg AAS used per week, divided in frequency, with a clear idea of total time “on” cycle.

As well as ancilliary drugs to control estrogen and maintain HPTA function, planned out as above

As well as PCT.

read the stickies n00b.

Also your “goals” are vague and not discernable vis a vis AAS. “explosive strength and endurance” (ftw) depends on your training - the drugs don’t discrimnate for specific strength quailties. There are no “sport specific” steroids either. This again depends on your training and what YOU use them for.

read the stickies n00b.

The only goal that i can see as anythign resembling a goal is your desire to not put on anything but 10lbs. This would indicate a low dose cycle, perhaps no more than 500mg of total AAS. The var would be good to maintain steady and lean appreciable gain, focusing on strength etc., but 30mg on its own daily will do sweet fuck all. Perhaps a 2wk on/off cycle would be suitable for you.

read the stickies n00b.

Wait… you just suggested re-read and saw you indicating the drugs you mentioned for a “3 month cycle” lol.

Man, you’re just lucky i came across this post first and not Bonezzz, who is presently channeling the ghost of the departed Brook/J-J.

read the stickies n00b.

OMG!

This is the first time i told another n00b to read the stickies!!

I am not longer a n00b!!! I am now part of the T-Nation steroid forum fraternity!!! I can be a douchebag to all you cunts!!!

Oi, John “Adequate” you wanker - do some research before you waltz in here asking us to plan your ridiculous cycles for you.

pops coller

[quote]John Q. Adequate wrote:
Tired of the demanding BB lifestyle, I’m into martial arts exclusively now. Ever being the one wanting an extra edge, I’m looking for some compounds which will improve my explosive strength and endurance, with adding as little weight as possible. 10 pounds tops. A big issue is also avoiding acne, which I’m prone to more than an average person while on gear.

My dealer friend recommended the following:

Sostanon 250 1 amp twice a week

or

Masterone 100 3 times a week

or

Anavar at least 30 mg daily. Or a combination of the above.

That would be for a 3 month cycle.

As for acne, he suggests taking Saw Palmetto, which, as far as I know, has to do with prostate health and not skin health.

Does all this have any merit whatsoever?[/quote]

bit of advice…your dealer will typically recommend what he has on hand to sell you. that being said for your application i would seriously recommend against any of it and try Carbolin 19 from Biotest. its not goign to be a HUGE boost but you don;t want or need that for your application.

However if one were to twist my arm and say choose i would say the anavar and i would try to take 50-80mg a day. Masteron (at least for me) has a tendency to make my joints a little achy (not good for martail arts), sustanon i think is overkill for what you are trying to do and creates of course the need to start thinking about PCT and other meds.

I think you could hit anavar in a 2week on 2 weekoff protocol and would achieve your goals without any real problems. Of course this brings the question of is the anavar real or fake…it is the MOST faked oral out there due to the obvious potential profit margin of faking it.

yes your friends advice is questionable. For explosive power you will first need to learn explosive exercises. Forget the gear for now because its obvious you will need 6 months of reading to understand how stupid your cycle proposals are? Read more and train for explosive power. I have two national titles in kickboxing and 6 amature MMA fights to my name, natural. Gear won’t do shit for you until you master technique. I quit fighting (ok my wife made me) due to the injuries. I went to the weights and couldnt be happier. Martial arts is great but I never ever came close to taxing my body as much as I do now. The gym is much more controlled and you dont have to wake up the morning after a tourneyment and crawl to the bathroom for a piss, because your shins and theighs are bruised so badly. READ READ READ! You shouldnt have to worry about achne with a AI, but fucking read…

[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
OMG!

This is the first time i told another n00b to read the stickies!!

I am not longer a n00b!!! I am now part of the T-Nation steroid forum fraternity!!! I can be a douchebag to all you cunts!!!

Oi, John “Adequate” you wanker - do some research before you waltz in here asking us to plan your ridiculous cycles for you.

pops coller[/quote]

Points well taken. You sure have a way of hammering it in, though, but you are of course right. I am a newbie. So, I’ll just take the Anavar, adjust my weight training accordingly and be on my merry way, all the while reading the stickies.

[quote]morepain wrote:

bit of advice…your dealer will typically recommend what he has on hand to sell you. that being said for your application i would seriously recommend against any of it and try Carbolin 19 from Biotest. its not goign to be a HUGE boost but you don;t want or need that for your application.

However if one were to twist my arm and say choose i would say the anavar and i would try to take 50-80mg a day. Masteron (at least for me) has a tendency to make my joints a little achy (not good for martail arts), sustanon i think is overkill for what you are trying to do and creates of course the need to start thinking about PCT and other meds.

I think you could hit anavar in a 2week on 2 weekoff protocol and would achieve your goals without any real problems. Of course this brings the question of is the anavar real or fake…it is the MOST faked oral out there due to the obvious potential profit margin of faking it.

[/quote]

The thought has crossed my mind about the dealer’s reserves and his needs to sell them. Now, if only I knew how to distinguish between real and fake gear… Oh wait! As the poster above has put it, this noob shall read the stickies. Cool!

[quote]John Q. Adequate wrote:
WyldFlower wrote:
OMG!

This is the first time i told another n00b to read the stickies!!

I am not longer a n00b!!! I am now part of the T-Nation steroid forum fraternity!!! I can be a douchebag to all you cunts!!!

Oi, John “Adequate” you wanker - do some research before you waltz in here asking us to plan your ridiculous cycles for you.

pops coller

Points well taken. You sure have a way of hammering it in, though, but you are of course right. I am a newbie. So, I’ll just take the Anavar, adjust my weight training accordingly and be on my merry way, all the while reading the stickies.[/quote]

d00d! don’t just take the var… yeesh!

Have a proper cycle. Run test along side it. Have clear goals and training programme as per combat athlete. Have nutrition dialed in.

Your whole approach is shoddy at best!

[quote]IKIMURA wrote:
yes your friends advice is questionable. For explosive power you will first need to learn explosive exercises. Forget the gear for now because its obvious you will need 6 months of reading to understand how stupid your cycle proposals are? Read more and train for explosive power. I have two national titles in kickboxing and 6 amature MMA fights to my name, natural. Gear won’t do shit for you until you master technique. I quit fighting (ok my wife made me) due to the injuries. I went to the weights and couldnt be happier. Martial arts is great but I never ever came close to taxing my body as much as I do now. The gym is much more controlled and you dont have to wake up the morning after a tourneyment and crawl to the bathroom for a piss, because your shins and theighs are bruised so badly. READ READ READ! You shouldnt have to worry about achne with a AI, but fucking read…[/quote]

First off, much respect for your accomplishments in the martial arts.

Second, while being uninformed in the ways of chemical enchancement, I am not planning to hop on a cycle tomorrow. This is just testing the waters, seeing what folk think.

Third, I do know my weight training, Hell, I should, I’ve been lifting since I was 16. Being well aware of the exercise selections, set/rep/frequency schemes that are out there, I simply plan to stop training for hypertrophy and focus on my abovementioned goals. My point was simply, what to take that will not give me too much bulk, thus slowing me down and inviting injury.

Obviously, mastering the power movements will take practise. Same with technique. In time, I’ll learn, and I strongly agree with the “read read read” credo.

And lastly, I’m into ninjutsu which, as I’m sure you know, does not have competitions. While I’m well aware that people think that taking gear for non competitive purposes is stupid and pointless, I just wish to be the best I can be at it. Realize my potential to the fullest. Because it is something I love to do. I’m sure you can relate.

[quote]WyldFlower wrote:

d00d! don’t just take the var… yeesh!

Have a proper cycle. Run test along side it. Have clear goals and training programme as per combat athlete. Have nutrition dialed in.

Your whole approach is shoddy at best!
[/quote]

Testosterone? Really? Been reading up just now. Here’s a short copy/paste.

"Side Effects of Testosterone

Acne; bitter or strange taste in mouth; change in sex drive; fatigue; gum or mouth irritation; gum pain; gum tenderness or swelling; hair loss; headache.

Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Testosterone:
Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; change in the size or shape of the testicles; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes."

Sorry, but this does not chime along with my goal of being a better fighter. Whereas…

“The principal drawback of Anavar is its c-17 alpha-alkylation. If youâ??re not new to the world of synthetic steroids, you must have heard about the warnings with regards to the dangers of 17aa orals. Steroids with this chemical alteration can damage the liver, and although Anavar is considered a mild compound, it can still cause hepatic problems. There have been rare clinical reports that indicate Anavar use has resulted to hepatic disorders that include growth of cysts and tumors on the liver. You must remember that most of the steroid side effects are dose-dependent, which means you can easily avoid them by practicing prudent dosing. The recommended Anavar dosage for males is 20-40mg per day. For females, it is 10-15mg per day. You can avoid most of Anavar side effects if you follow this drugâ??s dosage recommendation.”

… does not sound as bad.

[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
John Q. Adequate wrote:
WyldFlower wrote:
OMG!

This is the first time i told another n00b to read the stickies!!

I am not longer a n00b!!! I am now part of the T-Nation steroid forum fraternity!!! I can be a douchebag to all you cunts!!!

Oi, John “Adequate” you wanker - do some research before you waltz in here asking us to plan your ridiculous cycles for you.

pops coller

Points well taken. You sure have a way of hammering it in, though, but you are of course right. I am a newbie. So, I’ll just take the Anavar, adjust my weight training accordingly and be on my merry way, all the while reading the stickies.

d00d! don’t just take the var… yeesh!

Have a proper cycle. Run test along side it. Have clear goals and training programme as per combat athlete. Have nutrition dialed in.

Your whole approach is shoddy at best!
[/quote]

wylde…i understand you think you have this all figured out now…but you really don’t. I won’t even begin a debate…once you have worked with these substances for 20 plus years than we can talk. There is no harm in running anavar alone, it weill provide a mild anabolic effect, which is pretty much all he is looking for. I admire your enthusiasm but trust me just because you read it on the internet does not make it fact.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Whilst anavar would be my recommendation, you have to appreciate that it is very often faked or underdosed.

However masteron is not quite so badly done (usually). Now I don’t get joint aches from it like MP, hence my suggestion that you use it.

25mg ED should net a noticeable improvement in muscle hardness, but won’t really increase RBC numbers, which is a shame, since that would really turbocharge your MA workouts. For that, 10mg of dianabol ED, and before training (where applicable) would do I feel.

For your goals, low doses are not to be sniffed at. I remember about 7 years ago, taking dbol before a 4 hour MA training session. At the end of it I was still springing to my feet, feeling fresh, fast and powerful.

At the time I was very well conditioned and unfortunately, 10mg of dbol does not elicit anything like the same response these days, haha.

BBB[/quote]

this would most certainly be my second option if you can not be sure of the anavar…my joint pains are probably much more sensitive than most since i have been abusing my body for 30 plus years…masteron is (regardless of pain) one of my favorite things in this world.

you see…its really all about application…what BBB and i recommended above would mopst certainly NOT be what we would recommend for a Bodybuilding cycle (i think he would concur). But for performance tweaking and a nice boost to recovery ability low dose mild compounds can work just fine on their own.

[quote]John Q. Adequate wrote:
WyldFlower wrote:

d00d! don’t just take the var… yeesh!

Have a proper cycle. Run test along side it. Have clear goals and training programme as per combat athlete. Have nutrition dialed in.

Your whole approach is shoddy at best!

Testosterone? Really? Been reading up just now. Here’s a short copy/paste.

"Side Effects of Testosterone

Acne; bitter or strange taste in mouth; change in sex drive; fatigue; gum or mouth irritation; gum pain; gum tenderness or swelling; hair loss; headache.

Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Testosterone:
Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; change in the size or shape of the testicles; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes."

Sorry, but this does not chime along with my goal of being a better fighter. Whereas…

“The principal drawback of Anavar is its c-17 alpha-alkylation. If youâ??re not new to the world of synthetic steroids, you must have heard about the warnings with regards to the dangers of 17aa orals. Steroids with this chemical alteration can damage the liver, and although Anavar is considered a mild compound, it can still cause hepatic problems. There have been rare clinical reports that indicate Anavar use has resulted to hepatic disorders that include growth of cysts and tumors on the liver. You must remember that most of the steroid side effects are dose-dependent, which means you can easily avoid them by practicing prudent dosing. The recommended Anavar dosage for males is 20-40mg per day. For females, it is 10-15mg per day. You can avoid most of Anavar side effects if you follow this drugâ??s dosage recommendation.”

… does not sound as bad.

[/quote]

Where is that information from?

And wyldflower is probably the single worst source of information on this board.

Lol.

[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
OMG!

This is the first time i told another n00b to read the stickies!!

I am not longer a n00b!!! I am now part of the T-Nation steroid forum fraternity!!! I can be a douchebag to all you cunts!!!

Oi, John “Adequate” you wanker - do some research before you waltz in here asking us to plan your ridiculous cycles for you.

pops coller[/quote]

lol I was going to ask if all the n00b calling was necessary. Then i read this, question answered haha.

[quote]IKIMURA wrote:
yes your friends advice is questionable. For explosive power you will first need to learn explosive exercises. Forget the gear for now because its obvious you will need 6 months of reading to understand how stupid your cycle proposals are? Read more and train for explosive power. I have two national titles in kickboxing and 6 amature MMA fights to my name, natural. Gear won’t do shit for you until you master technique. I quit fighting (ok my wife made me) due to the injuries. I went to the weights and couldnt be happier. Martial arts is great but I never ever came close to taxing my body as much as I do now. The gym is much more controlled and you dont have to wake up the morning after a tourneyment and crawl to the bathroom for a piss, because your shins and theighs are bruised so badly. READ READ READ! You shouldnt have to worry about achne with a AI, but fucking read…[/quote]

Agreed.

If you want explosive power and your not specifically training for it…gear isn’t going to help much. If you have always trained as a bodybuilder, lifting for strength is going to be a whole new world for you.

Learn to train, then use gear, and reap the benefits.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Where is that information from?

[/quote]

isteroids.com and drugs.com