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Question: 165lb Raw Deadlift Record?

So this is simply to make myself feel better about my deadlift in comparison to the world records, but does anyone know what the highest raw, conventional style 165 lb division deadlift ever pulled was? I know its kinda specific but figured somebody on here might know, just curious.

http://www.rawpowerlifting.com/rankings.htm
in 2007, the top raw deadlift was 605 by Tony Conyers. I don’t know if he pulled conventional or sumo or if their definition of raw is the same as yours, but it’s a starting point. Note that that’s only one federation, I’m sure someone will post records from other feds.

Thats a hard question, most of the strongest lifters don’t lift in federations like 100% RAW or other raw feds. So it would be a lifter competing in a geared federation such as the IPF while wearing a singlet and belt to deadlift…a hard stat to pull up.

  1. 793.7 (360.0) *4.80X Oleksandr Kutcher (Ukraine/80) 3/3/06 (360.0 kg. @ 75.0 kg.) (Columbus, Ohio) (WPO)

  2. 780.0 (353.8) *4.73X John Inzer (US/62) 9/16/95 (780.0 lb. @ 164.75 lb.) (Dallas, Texas) (NSM)

  3. 749.6 (340.0) *4.55X Ismo Lappi (Finland/73) 11/16/01 (340.0 kg. @ 74.7 kg.) (Sotkamo, Finland) (IPF)

  4. 744.1 (337.5) 4.50X Dan Austin (US/58) 7/30/94 (337.5 kg.) (Houston, Texas) (USPF/IPF)

  5. 740.0 (335.7) 4.48X Al �??Pit Bull�?? Trice (US) 12/97 (740.0 lb.) (Waymart, Pennsylvania) (FCI)

  6. 739.7 (335.5) 4.47X Sahroni (Indonesia/75) 9/20/94 (335.5 kg.) (Quezon City, Philippines) (IPF)

  7. 735.2 (333.5) 4.45X Troy Culberson (US) 8/24/96 (333.5 kg.) (Seguin, Texas) (USPF)

  8. 734.1 (333.0) *4.44X Jarmo Virtanen (Finland/63) 5/14/88 (333.0 kg. @ 75.0 kg.) (Murnau, West Germany) (IPF)

  9. 728.6 (330.5) *4.42X Vladimir Pak (Russia/82) 3/2/06 (330.5 kg. @ 74.8 kg.) (Ufa, Russia) (IPF)

  10. 727.5 (330.0) *4.43X Ivan Kallya (Russia/62) 10/3/03 (330.0 kg. @ 74.45 kg.) (Syktyvkar, Russia) (IPF)

Keep in mind these are geared lifts.

Although Kutcher at #1 is the best puller at 165, and not to take anything away from him but this lift is in an untested federation. Kutcher is suspended from the IPF for a positive drug test. The IPF record holder at 75kg is Ismo Lappi with a lift of 340kg/748lbs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIOK_fF0w2s

You would have to search year by year. I’m sure some fellows hit over 700 in the late 70s and early 80s. Most of these lifts were raw.

[quote]tom63 wrote:
You would have to search year by year. I’m sure some fellows hit over 700 in the late 70s and early 80s. Most of these lifts were raw.[/quote]

Yup. I’d agree. Taking the 100% raw number would be a terrible mistake imo. It’s a very young fed, also up to 5 or 10 years ago most of the conventional pulls done anywhere were raw.

[quote]Hanley wrote:
tom63 wrote:
You would have to search year by year. I’m sure some fellows hit over 700 in the late 70s and early 80s. Most of these lifts were raw.

Yup. I’d agree. Taking the 100% raw number would be a terrible mistake imo. It’s a very young fed, also up to 5 or 10 years ago most of the conventional pulls done anywhere were raw.[/quote]

Thia is a big problem with powerlifting. Someone now has a raw fed and claims a world record that’s a lot less than a raw lift done years ago. Of course this is in response to all the gear, but you need to be a real historian to keep this stuff straight.

I wish I had my old PLUSA mags from the early 80s yet.

Isn’t the dead lift the one PL lift that doesn’t gain any benefit from using lifting gear?

[quote]Khronos wrote:
Isn’t the dead lift the one PL lift that doesn’t gain any benefit from using lifting gear? [/quote]

No.

Gear helps, or there are other lifts that don’t benefit either?

And aren’t there just 3 PL lifts?

It helps all 3.

thanks for all the input, yea, I checked the 100% raw website and like you said, knew it was too young of a fed, also I’d seen the powerliftingwatch.com records but raw wasn’t really listed. From what I am gathering it seems like the biggest raw pulls at 165 have been around low 700’s and biggest conventional (though geared) in the same ballpark.

Just trying to figure out what the combination of the two would be. I pull raw and conventional (conventional just feels better to me I don’t know, though I know I must be giving up some weight by doing so) and while I would never claim I would have a world record until I passed kutcher, it helps to give me small goals to shoot for, right now I am chilling in the 570-590 range (545 in comp, but its been a few months) and just trying to set my sights on some goals/records to pass. Pretty much just trying to make myself feel better and brag, I know.

P.S. to the question about gear affecting deadlifts: yes it really doesnt help AS much as the other lifts, but yes it does help, I have heard of many people getting 40-50 lbs or above out of a suit, especially sumo. That being said, I would still bet kutcher or one of them would pull 740+ raw if not more (but thats just speculation)

jesus, that ismo lappi pull looked freaking easy for him

wasn’t Cressey’s mid 600 pull conventional? Guess I could just look that up real quick…

[quote]Khronos wrote:
Isn’t the dead lift the one PL lift that doesn’t gain any benefit from using lifting gear? [/quote]

It sure benefits from gear, but usually much less than the other 2 lifts.

[quote]Khronos wrote:
Isn’t the dead lift the one PL lift that doesn’t gain any benefit from using lifting gear? [/quote]

As far as i know (not from experince) it get the least assistance, that does not mean NONE, compared to squating when you get a full suit, knee wraps, a belt, and depending on federation, brief and maybe an erector shirt. Again, this is just from my personl reading and question asking.

To the OP-

The thing about the 165 class is that most of the best pulls are done sumo style. 165s tend to be short guys with short limbs that do better sumo. I would be surpised if any of those record pulls were done conventional.

Lamar Gant did over 683lbs at 132lb back in 1957 too like. That was conventional.

[quote]Hanley wrote:
Lamar Gant did over 683lbs at 132lb back in 1957 too like. That was conventional.[/quote]

Ha, I should have been more specific, I was just talking about people who were human.

Its like that saying, don’t know how it goes but something to the effect of: every time you start to think you are strong you find some teenage girl in china who is warming up with your max.

Didnt know he did it conventional though

Lamar Grant has insanely long arms. Granted, 683 is a great deaflift for any weight class.

He was no slouch in the bench either if I recall.

[quote]Hanley wrote:
Lamar Gant did over 683lbs at 132lb back in 1957 too like. That was conventional.[/quote]

Actually it was late 70s or 80s, but he did do it conventional. He had scoliosis which would increase as he lifted a heavy load. He was a beast.

At one time he held the 132 records for bp, squat, deadlift and total. Joe Bradley beat his squat and bench ( 1st triple bodyweight I think). Ihe squat was 650 I think. this was done with old crappy marathon supersuits.