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Queries on First Epistane + Test Blast

Hey folks,

I am - 45 years old, 80.5kg (177lbs), training for a little over 20 years. Here is my physique from the last year of training.

I am on TRT 140mg per week (2x IM doses weekly). Have been on TRT for about 16 months now with no sides besides some hair loss. Bloods are good (checked every 6 weeks), estrogen is in check etc.

When I initially started Test I blasted at 400mg per week for 5 weeks with good results, before gradually scaling back to where it comfortably sits (low enough to not need an AI). This aside have thus far never run any other kind of non-test cycle.

Planning to run Epistane (oral) for 5 weeks:
10 / 20 / 30 mg
30 / 30 / 30 mg
30 / 30 / 30 mg
40 / 40 / 40 mg
40 / 40 / 40 mg

Will be doing this on my test base.

In stock and/or in case there’s a need I have - Cissus, TUDCA, Cycle Assist, Clomid, Nolva, Aromasin, Taurine, HCG.

Queries are:

  1. Pondering whether to increase the test base in tandem with this cycle to maximise results. Perhaps increase to a conservative 200mg. Or having successfully run 400 before, boost to that for the 5 weeks. Or… play it safe, stick to cruise levels, and let the Epi do all the work. Thing is, while I am all for a degree of caution, I also don’t want to sell myself short. I have put on a good deal of size and keen for a lot more.
  2. With no plans to drop TRT (on it for life at this point), post Epi cycle what are the thoughts on continuing at 140mg without Clomid etc unless bloods indicate otherwise? Or drop the lot, PCT proper, then resume at 140mg test?
  3. For the Epi as per above I have it at every other day. Is this indeed the way to go? As some feedback I have read seems to see a lot of folks taking the amounts daily.

And if you’re wondering why Epi - frankly it’s all I can get my hands on from a reliable, local source (here in strict AF Sydney).

Thank you.

Hi spathos, Your plan seems well planned out. I know nothing about Epistane. I am mostly posting to sub to your thread. Loved your pictures you don’t look 45 my friend good job. Can I ask why did you pick this oral?

hrdlvn

Hi spathos, Your plan seems well planned out. I know nothing about Epistane. I am mostly posting to sub to your thread. Loved your pictures you don’t look 45 my friend good job. Can I ask why did you pick this oral?

Cheers, mate. As stated Epi is literally all I can get my hands on, from a trusted source (and local). It’s the only reason I’ve even waited this long to stack anything.

Not looking forward to see how I go with the dry joints issue, hence my prep gear. If I had any choice in the matter, my preference would be Anavar.

HaHa yes I have also found Anavar recently and love it. If you are not controlling your E2 with an AI the high dose of T should send your E2 over scale and help protect your dry joints. I am no fan of living with high E2 but in your case that might be an option.
To keep this vague do you not have access in your country to the bitcoin suppliers of the eastern block?

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hrdlvn

HaHa yes I have also found Anavar recently and love it. If you are not controlling your E2 with an AI the high dose of T should send your E2 over scale and help protect your dry joints. I am no fan of living with high E2 but in your case that might be an option.
To keep this vague do you not have access in your country to the bitcoin suppliers of the eastern block?

Cheers for that, and indeed that’s not the first time I’ve heard that approach to moderating the joints issue. In itself this also answers my query on whether to scale up the T, so this pseudo-synergy is absolutely worth considering. Will be watching bloods carefully so simple enough to work in appropriate AI should the need arise.

Latter query I’ll leave as I’m aware this is not the place to belabor such discussion. Appreciated regardless. Epi is in hand at this point so will be giving it a run once I sort out my top-to-bottom plan more exactly. Will leave me time to source anavar for the next go round.

Epistane is my favorite drug of all time. Or was anyway. It’s been displaced by MENT, but that is not reflective of how amazing epi is.

Answers:

  1. Bump to 400 if you’re comfortable. Epistane is a mild AI, so you can get away with more testosterone than you’d otherwise be able to handle without any other kind of AI.
  2. Just go back to your regular trt. No need to do anything else.
  3. Take it every day. You’re either lifting or recovering every day, so utilize the compound every day.

You will love the look epistane gives. Dry, dense, hard, and it’s real muscle that you’ll put on. It won’t be crazy like superdrol where you add 20lbs in a month, but it’ll be actual tissue. If you can squeeze an extra 2lbs of new muscle out of a six week period that’s excellent progress.

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iron_yuppie

Appreciate those insights. Cheers for the concise reply.

Will drop some feedback here after I’ve run through the process.

Thanks, guys.

Update on how this is going.

Started at 30mg daily Epi and upped Test to 400mg (2x IM weekly). Currently on week 3 at said dose of a 6 week cycle. Will up Epi to 40mg for weeks 5 and 6.

Also stacked MK677 @ 20 mg daily.

Running liver, joint, and cycle support, diet on point, training 6 days per week (sometimes twice a day to get legs in).

16 days in and weight gain has been substantial. Up 7.8 kg (17.19 lbs). Started at 80.5 kg (177.47 lbs) and currently at 88.3 kg (194.66 lbs).

Sides:
Fortunately adverse estro indicators of any sort have not appeared, so have not needed an AI.

So far no joint pain of any kind. No breakouts. I have some small amount of back acne but I’ve had that all my life.

Hair and nail growth has increased, including some hair on my back where previously there was virtually none. Needing to shave my face way more often.

Zero problems with ED and libido is fine. More than fine. Morning wood is… wooding.

But… back pumps! Oh lordy those hit me week 2. Tried Taurine, magnesium, upped water and electrolytes, bananas etc. and it’s now manageable enough to not hamper my training at all. But I still can’t walk more than a few hundred meters without “taking a crouched break”.

Cramps, though! Ugh. Cramps are definitely the big negative. Feel like literally any body part can cramp at any moment of any day if I’m not careful about how I move my body. Had BOTH sides of my neck cramp yesterday while training rear delts and squeezing out the last two reps of a working set. Sat there on my bench (in the busiest area of the gym no less) locked up for 10 minutes trying not to grimace like I was in the climax of a horror flick. Still finished the session of course.

Thoughts so far:
Very happy with the results and growth. Face is a little bigger but I still have visible abs so I’m happy with my overall shape and progress. Most nights I feel very “hard”, and often as if I’ve got a full time pump. My traps especially feel hard as granite.

More generally I am pleased my body can still react so substantially for being nearly 46 YO. I am not a “big guy”, but the change from where I was at has been noticeable. My lady especially, who has known me for 10 years of natty training, is kinda gobsmacked. Will be interesting to see how much of this I keep down the line once I return to TRT maintenance.

Going forward:
May drop the MK 677 as I’m carrying a lot of water weight (and the hunger it brings is substantial). Then again, I feel no lethargy (quite the opposite), sleep is good, feel very strong, don’t ever get sore, and cramps aside feel generally tip top.

Slightly concerned on how bad the cramps may get when Epi is upped to 40 mg (or perhaps a cramp is a cramp and it will make no difference). Been getting daily massages from my partner, for all the good they seem to be doing outside of the moment. Will grit and bare it though since it’ll be the final stretch.

Here’s a brief 25sec vid from a 90 min session on the weekend, hitting a machines-only back workout (I’m aware my left side keeps tweaking up, trying very much to fix that). It’s not my usual gym so took the opportunity to mix it up somewhat.

Will post a further update once the cycle is done.

Cheers!

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Any updates on physique photos?