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Putting on the Gloves Again

hey all, for those of you who do not know, i am a rabid boxing fan(i,m Cuban ya know) and as a teenager i boxed a little bit(very little!) and a few years ago i joined a boxing gym trained some in an effort to get into better shape, as traditional “cardio” is too boring.

well feb 2007 i ruptured my triceps tendon in my left arm, and have not put on the gloves since. my arm is not nor never will be a hundred percent again, but is good enough for me to try to train with the gloves again i think.

a few days ago i went to my old gym and hit the bag for 3 rounds, (shit! i am way out of shape, this killed me) and it felt ok, i just can not throw a left jab with any sort of power. i can hook still, but now real jab.

my old coach retired, and his son is running the place now, and he is sort of a dick, he does not like to answer questions, much less actually “coach” anybody who is not paying him personally, or one of his pro fighters. so i am coming here to ask some questions.

like i said, i cant throw a hard left jab anymore. my elbow is too jacked, now i am not at this time thinking about sparring again, but if i do in the future, should i think about practicing hitting the bag with a southpaw stance, so i can hook and jab with my lead right, and use my left more for defense and the occasional hook and uppercut?

thanks in advance

heavy

a few questions and I’ll come back later.

Do you honestly think you can break the habit of not whipping the left on your hooks?

What kind of exercises are you doing in order to rehab the muscles and tendons you do have in your left arm?

When you say sparring . . . are you talking 20% for cardio? 50% for contact and conditioning? Or eventually 100%?

And how old are you?

Have some clients to tend to but if you can clarify this for me I’ll give what insight I can.

For the record my background is more Muay Thai than traditional boxing. But I am familiar with rehab for athletes.

Cheers.

Oh man. I don’t know. I have a similar experience in dislocating my shoulder while sparring, and I’ll tell you it’s got my dick real shriveled about sparring again and possibly damaging the thing permanently.

As someone who never listens to their body, though, I know I’ll go back, kind of like you.

What I can say is that southpaw is difficult if you don’t have a natural inclination towards it. The footwork is very different, and that’s actually harder to master than just throwing the punches.

But I would say give it a shot. Marciano said that the lead arm is 80 percent for offense, the rear one 80 percent for defense, so you may have a better chance like that.

You know how crucial the jab is in boxing- you can’t really go without it. So without being an expert on tendons and muscular structure, I would say try it. Hit some pads, work the bag, see how it feels. If you’re not looking to fight, just to work out, then see how it goes.

I would advise against sparring though, because your left being worthless means that it’s not even worth the possible reinjuring.

Fighting Irish already made some solid points that I can add to. But if you can answer my earlier questions I can add a bit more.

You guys will get sick of me soon sorry,

Cut my bicep off the bone with an elbow block of a looping hook in muay thai. Had it re attached, don’t even remember there are screws holding the tendon and sutures down. But that was over ayear ago.

I don’t know if I am one to take advice from with this though I was back to sparring withing 1 month and a half of the reattachment.

you have to listen to your body, do rehab exerccises, and go light, se if you are hesitant i you are than no way, absolutely not, the only times you really get hurt is if you hesitate. I mean yeah there are other times to get hurt but if you body hesitates, there is a reason.

feel it out and don’t rush into anything.

and as far as age, our Mt instructor’s inscructor stills spars with us and he is in his 60’s. you just need to know what you can handle and if you want to go relaxed then tell the guys you work with don’t be stupidly tough.

Hey apbt55,

I never get sick of intelligent opinions.

So was it a spear elbow? I caught one of those from a friend sparring. He nailed me right at the bicep/shoulder tie in. One of my biceps popped out on top of the other.

Luckily we were only going 50%. No perm damage

Where did the block get you?

[quote]Barachiel wrote:
a few questions and I’ll come back later.

Do you honestly think you can break the habit of not whipping the left on your hooks?

What kind of exercises are you doing in order to rehab the muscles and tendons you do have in your left arm?

When you say sparring . . . are you talking 20% for cardio? 50% for contact and conditioning? Or eventually 100%?

And how old are you?

Have some clients to tend to but if you can clarify this for me I’ll give what insight I can.

For the record my background is more Muay Thai than traditional boxing. But I am familiar with rehab for athletes.

Cheers.
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thanks in advance,

i dont even know what “whipping the elbow” means in re to hooks, i just know after 9 m inutes the other day of only pawing and measuring and hooking with my left at the bag, my elbow was not hurting.

i have been training and rehabing for 2 years now, i made real good progress the first year, then it just stopped. i have a detailed log in the over 35 year lifter forum.

the only reason i do boxing is that i love it, and it is “fun cardio”. i sparred cuz i am sort of an idiot, i like the contact, i like to get hit sometimes, and i like to hit back( i know, i am strange)before the injury, i was getting my ass kicked by 17-18 year old mexican kids who i outweighed by 40-70lbs, lol. so it is for cardio with the “fun contact” aspect.

i am 41

thanks again

You’re in the wrong forum if you think liking to hit and get hit is strange. I think most all of us feel this way. Good luck.

not really, I am NOT refering to anybody personally in this forum, but a lot of the people i have know who like to fight(competitivley and otherwise) who actually train to fight, have a mentality of wanting to be able to physically dominate and defeat an opponent.

for me, though that is great, it is as much about the emotional release you get from getting into a scrap, whether you get the best of it or not. as a 40 something professional with kids to support and a mortgage, well, getting into street fights or bar room brawls is not appealing and WAY too dangerous. so i like to put on gloves and headgear and spar a little bit. thats all…

Totally understand HT.

It really is the essence of a sport when your in the moment going head to head, giving as good as your getting, all up to who wants it more. But anyway, tangent.

sorry for the “whipping” term, sometimes I forget I’m on a forum not online chatting a colleague.

Whipping is just the term we use for throwing a punch or kick. Your body is the handle, the limbs are the whip, etc.

I was basically making a reference to throwing with full force.

Now I must do the usual disclaimer of since I am not your primary or examining physician. My observations are only presented in general advice context and should not be seen as your own primary source of training advice or physical prescription.

sorry, I’ve gone corporate, habit.

Now based on your routine I don’t see any issue with sparring. As long as it’s done more in the cardio sense. I’m going to assume 50% intensity.

If your doing weighted chins, push-ups not to mention Tabata. You can handle it.

I would just be aware of any sign of inflammation first and foremost.

Second when you take a punch be really aware of how that feels. Based on the weight your lifting it seems the elbow is stable but you never know when someone is going to hit the sweet spot on your joint.

But assuming your form is solid your body and shoulder will take the brunt most of the time.

Southpaw stance will probably help seeing as you’ve already tried hooking the bag and didn’t suffer for it.

I’d say start out at 20%, just to make sure when you get hit your not going to revert back to your old stance.

If that feels good up the intensity to 50%. If after a few months thats good. YOu can choose for yourself if you want to keep upping the intensity.

If that’s not enough detail let me know, PM me or repost, and I can go further into it if you like.

[quote]Barachiel wrote:
Hey apbt55,

I never get sick of intelligent opinions.

So was it a spear elbow? I caught one of those from a friend sparring. He nailed me right at the bicep/shoulder tie in. One of my biceps popped out on top of the other.

Luckily we were only going 50%. No perm damage

Where did the block get you?[/quote]

yeah but cross body push, not a spear elbow covering the head. I was working with a new guy at our school getting him ready for a fight and we had gone over slicing the bicep off at the elbow. I thought I’d see if he was paying attention and threw a slow looping hook, and well he had been paying attention.

But I had great group to go to for surgery, OAA in allentown, they are really sport med oriented, the knee doc there is the knee specialist for the NFL. The ortho that did my arm works with the US olympic team, I was in a mobile brace the day after surgery and back to full range of motion and 75% strength within 2 weeks.

I wish I had went back to the area to get my knee done recently but It was too far, I was set up for yamma pit fighting in NJ went for the meds and the catscan showed my atlas was shifted, so they wouldn’t clear me. went to chiropracter my BJJ instructor reccommended and got realigned but in the down time I was told not to even stretch so I though hey this is a good time to get a bad knee scoped, the doc who did it had seen old MRI’s and thought it should be a simple clean up, but when he got in found the MCL was completely gone and they don’t ormally do anything but he knows my hobbies so he replaced it for me with a cadaver he had incase the ACL was gone. both meniscus completely removed and a spot int he bone where the meniscus tore had worn a quarter size hole in the bone so he did micro drills to pull in blood to the area to seal the bone.

Took a while but back training full force and getting ready for fights now that mma is sanctioned in pa. hopefully looking for July or Aug. there is a smaller promotion in the area I train that was strictly boxing so I will do something with them and see if everything works still when I need it.

wow, cross body, I know that hurt.

congrats on getting back on track, good luck this summer.

thanks for the advice… and jfyi, i am not planning on sparring anytime soon, i just wan t to keep that option open…