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Proviron & Testosterone

Would i like to know if proviron increases or reduces testosterone effect?(anabolism)

is there some advantage if i use 500mg sustanon+500mg deca instead of only 1000mg sustanon?what would be better??

thanks

[quote]rocky.b wrote:
Would i like to know if proviron increases or reduces testosterone effect?(anabolism)

is there some advantage if i use 500mg sustanon+500mg deca instead of only 1000mg sustanon?what would be better??

thanks[/quote]

priviron might help in keeping estrogen in check and in decreasing SHBG a bit. it helps sex drive a lot, which i think is the main reason why people think it’s so effective… for the cost, i think there are more important things to worry about.

for your second question, well, Sustanon sucks. it’s a good idea for TRT, as it allows one to reduce the number of injections (and therefore co-payments, trips to dr, etc). however, test e/cyp is generally much more predictable and affordable.

test and deca have very different effects in the body… depending on your goal, mixing them might be quite effective, or extremely ineffective. it just depends on your goals, etc…

[quote]rocky.b wrote:
Would i like to know if proviron increases or reduces testosterone effect?(anabolism)

is there some advantage if i use 500mg sustanon+500mg deca instead of only 1000mg sustanon?what would be better??

thanks[/quote]

1 - Proviron increases free testosterone. it binds very well with SHBG, increasing free testosterone.
2 - It depends on your goals. I’ve never used deca or 1g test before, but if I could choose, Test + Deca, just because it sounds more reasonable. Too much of one thing, I may talk shit here, but, I would choose test + deca…

[quote]Thiago Monteiro wrote:

[quote]rocky.b wrote:
Would i like to know if proviron increases or reduces testosterone effect?(anabolism)

is there some advantage if i use 500mg sustanon+500mg deca instead of only 1000mg sustanon?what would be better??

thanks[/quote]

1 - Proviron increases free testosterone. it binds very well with SHBG, increasing free testosterone.
2 - It depends on your goals. I’ve never used deca or 1g test before, but if I could choose, Test + Deca, just because it sounds more reasonable. Too much of one thing, I may talk shit here, but, I would choose test + deca… [/quote]

I would go the other direction. 1g Test is much more manageable in terms of side effects. You pretty much just need to run adex with it, and you’re fine. You have to use more ancillaries when you introduced Deca, and the long-term risks are much more substantial. The metabolites stick around in your system for as long as a year. I really can’t think of any reason why I would ever choose Deca over other options.

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Hello, i want to use Proviron, but will it shut my free testesterone down after discontinuing the drug? Will it lower my natural DHT baseline after the usage? I just want to sustainably increase my T and DHT…

  • My hormone levels are in normal range, however still low for a 20 year old healthy male…

Im using it for permanent libido issues and low semen volume+ morning wood loss from a drug called Accutane.(acne drug, very dangerous people won’t believe it can make you infertile)

Some people say it is good to use HCG with Proviron for anti- shut down? Or maybe Nolvadex… im so confused… Someone please help me…

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HCG mimics LH, so, if you want to increase test levels, use HCG…
There are some studies about proviron with low test levels, and for those people, Provirion could increase test levels… in normal range people proviron just cannot do that much, and we use it for drying out porpouses, hardening… but the doses is a little bit higher in this cases, and some studies showed a little shut down (but the doses were above 100/ 150mg day…
How much are you using?

Nolva, in your case, should be use for fertility, just because it blinds the hypothalamus and then, as he does not know what is in his bloodstream, there will be signs for the production of LH and FSH.

Resuming… HCG + Proviron is OK… when you want to have kids, add some Nolva if necessary…

Proviron in large doses has been demonstrated to have a suppressive effect on the HPTA. It has and/or is still used in certain countries to treat hypogonadism, thus it doesn’t actually increase testosterone, it merely has some of the desired characteristics one wants when replacing testosterone in a hypogonadal male (maintenance/ increased libido, development of secondary sexual characteristics like body hair etc).

The oral bioavailability or mesterolone is around a mere 3%, so 50mg/day is about 10.5 mg/wk of pure hormone, think about it, if you took 10mg of oxandrolone, Dbol or any oral per WEEK supression would be minimal. The effect on libido and drying out mesterolone has is very real, I can only imagine what it would be like if we had an injectable version of mesterolone.

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I just want to use it for libido and semen volume loss. But… they said that HCG is risky and it can shut down your natural T production in testes after the usage? In this case, isn’t Proviron is much more safer? And maybe Nolvadex monotheraphy? thx

HCG is suppressive to the HTPA. LH production will crash after prolonged use as the bodies natural LH will shut off.

Proviron is an anabolic steroid. The studies used for fertility regarding mesterolone are old and in my opinion flawed. If you believe you have a legitimate endocrine issue such as hypogonadism go see a doctor, don’t attempt to self medicate unless you’ve exhausted all other possible avenues. Self medication, although occasionally beneficial (if you know what you’re doing) can easily spell disaster, especially if you don’t know the mechanisms behind how drugs work, potential interactions etc.

You just need to think about it a little bit… I’m not talking about numbers here, just for convenience, ok…
1 - HCG mimics LH;
2 - Your body already produces LH;
3 - When you use HCG, you put a lot of it, and causes hyper stimulation, desensitizing your testicles with time…
4 - when you stop using hcg, your testicles can not produce testosterone with your poor production of lh (natural), because they are accustomed to high doses of hcg.
5 - over time your body will regain the ability to produce testosterone at low lh rates (natural production) … very few people will suffer complete closure, and the testicles will not be able to produce testosterone in good quantities, and that depends on the time of hcg abuse, age, and other individual factors, is uncertain!
6 - To increase testosterone levels, hcg is considered safe.

Proviron, as others just said, is an anabolic steroid, and will not be the correct drug for testosterone improvement. As I said, we (bodybuilders) use it as a dry out drug, hardening, libido, etc… not to produce testosterone…

Thanks. So you say that HCG will shut me down but it is safe to increase Testesterone levels with it…
Also Proviron is not an anabolic steroid its an Androgenic steroid. And it increases free Testesterone levels.