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Prosecute Kerry

DATE: 12 October 2004

CAMPAIGN UPDATE: The Petition for Indictment of John Kerry reached its
target of 150,000 signatures in September. (This petition for
indictment will remain online for informational purposes
[see http://patriotpetitions.us/], and will accept additional
signatures, which we will report each quarter after the petition for
indictment is filed.)

Dear Fellow Patriot,

The petition for indictment of John Kerry, for “giving aid and comfort
to the enemy,” and, thus, to disqualify him for national office, has
reached its goal of more than 150,000 signatures. On Monday, 18
October, the petition will be delivered by registered courier to Vice
President Richard Cheney (in his capacity as Senate President), Senate
Majority Leader Bill Frist and Attorney General John Ashcroft today.

Though John Kerry has an extensive and well-documented record of anti-
American activities over the past three decades [see “John Kerry: More
aid and comfort…” at http://FederalistPatriot.US/alexander/], it is
his acts of treason in 1970-71 that are the subject of this petition
for indictment. Our appeal notes both Kerry’s violations of the UCMJ
(Article 104 part 904) and U.S. Code (18 USC Sec. 2381 and 18 USC Sec.
953), and calls for his disqualification for public office in
accordance with the Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3,
which states: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in
Congress, or elector of President and Vice- President … having
previously taken an oath … to support the Constitution of the United
States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

Why prosecute John Kerry now?

In October 2003, Mr. Kerry chose to make his Vietnam war record the
centerpiece of his campaign for the presidency; this has been
especially true since his primary victory in March 2004 [see “Kerry’s
Quagmire…” http://FederalistPatriot.US/alexander/]. In response,
more than 165,000 signatories of the above-referenced petition for
indictment have made his war record the centerpiece of their campaign
to disqualify Kerry from public office.

We understand that no action is likely to be taken on this petition
until after the 02 November election. Be it known, however, that on 03
November, we will seek full recourse in an effort to have John Kerry
prosecuted for acts of treason and disqualified from any future
campaign for any national office. We are thus committed to holding Mr.
Kerry accountable for his actions, as there is no statute of
limitations for acts of treason.

Thank you for taking the time to sign this petition for indictment.
Rest assured that your voice will be heard.

Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis!

Mark Alexander Publisher, The Federalist Patriot

MEDIA CONTACT: John Machen media@patriotpetitions.us

I hate to have to be the first to say it, but ARE YOU RETARDED? In no way did Kerry ever commit treason. Did he protest the war? Possibly, but that is not treason. If and when he wins, if any propoganda bull-crap like this came across the senate floor, it would be laughed out.

Kerry and Jane Fonda are one in the same, both quite treasonous folk. Kerry was a First Lt. in the Navy when he secretly went to Paris to meet with the North Vietnamese of all people. That was about the same time the North Vietnamese broke John McCain’s ribs for the umpteenth time. Was Kerry trip business or pleasure? We probably will never know, but considering how the DNC has a thing for taking Communist donations, I am sure the Vietnamese were greasing his palms. He is a great opportunist, he parlayed his ability almost to the top.

[quote]hvywt78 wrote:
I hate to have to be the first to say it, but ARE YOU RETARDED? In no way did Kerry ever commit treason. Did he protest the war? Possibly, but that is not treason. If and when he wins, if any propoganda bull-crap like this came across the senate floor, it would be laughed out. [/quote]

Retarded? No.

However, I may have lost a few IQ points after reading your post.

Thank you for playing. Next!

JZ: What exactly did Kerry do that was treasonous? The article you referenced mentions treasonous acts, but doesn’t say what he supposedly did. If Kerry DID commit treason, do we get to hang him? :slight_smile:

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
JZ: What exactly did Kerry do that was treasonous? The article you referenced mentions treasonous acts, but doesn’t say what he supposedly did. If Kerry DID commit treason, do we get to hang him? :)[/quote]

http://kerry-04.org/patriot/record.php

The above link will explain it in more detail.

"Kerry, by his own account, violated the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer, and he further stands in violation of Article three, Section three of the U.S. Constitution.

Upon entering the Navy in 1966, John Kerry signed a six-year contract (plus a six-month extension during wartime) and an Officer Candidate contract for five years of active duty and active Naval Reserve. This indicates that Kerry was clearly a commissioned officer at the time of his 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris – in direct violation of the UCMJ’s Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry’s subsequent coddling of Communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution’s Article three, Section three, which defines treason as “giving aid and comfort” to the enemy in time of warfare. (As General Vo Nguyen Giap is his witness…)

Thus, we refer our readers to the Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President … having previously taken an oath … to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

It is for this reason – for his record of giving aid and comfort to the enemy while a member of the U.S. Armed Forces in violation of his oath – that we insist John Kerry resign his seat in the U.S. Senate. He has dishonored his family, dishonored his state and dishonored our nation. He is not fit for public office at any level of government, much less, the highest office in the land. John Kerry should resign."

Jack-

I would support your action fully one hundred percent, if we prosecute with the same fervor George W. Bush for being AWOL in a time of war!

If we are going to hold John Kerry responsible for protesting the meaningless deaths of fellow American servicemen and Vietnamese civilians, we are going to hold Bush two responsible for playing golf and drinking beer (not to mention a snort of coke here and there) while fellow servicemen were dodging bullets in Vietnam!

Prosecute or persecute?

Elk, even if both are true, Going AWOL is 100 times more forgivable than treason. The fact that you can even put the two in the same light is remarkable.

As a military man you should be the one outraged at the actions of john kerry. What if it was you or worse your son who was captured and you found out there were american military meeting with your enemies? Lets see why would kerry meet with them? Oh so he could get the story straight on what atrocoties had been commited? See That way his accounts would match the state run communists media accounts and they would have a beliveable story. Only problem was this gave hope to the vetnemiese fighters, it also enraged them, they too were fed the lies by thier government, they believed americans were slaughtering their innocent. So when the did capture an american, the torture was extreme and often fatal.

Kerry was not the only one to blame here, there was in fact a group of anti war military people who thought that if they made the situation “LOOK” bad enough, then america would have to pull out. This cost many americans thier lives and caused many more to be tortured.

I personally was not in vietnam, I am too young. I was a history major in college and did quite a bit of work on the major wars, including vietnam so I am educated on it. My uncle was in vietnam as a helecopter pilot. He says he never whitnessed any atrocoties by any soldier. No one he knows who served saw any either.

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins

After we try Kerry for his actions can we try Bush for his actions in Iraq?

Veg-

You receive the death sentence for going AWOL in time of war, I don’t know how much more serious it gets then that!

As a veteran, I fully understand where John Kerry was coming from when he came back and protested the war. The not so swift veterans for deceit and others have taken out of context what John Kerry did when he protested against the war.

If you indeed have studied the history of Vietnam, I don’t understand how you fail to accept the fact that it was a long drawn out guerilla war where numerous atrocities were committed by both American, NVA, and VietCong, soldiers. Again, I suggest you read “NAM” by Mark Baker, I remember reading that book when I was about fourteen and being horrified by the account of an American soldier of the gang rape, murder, and mutilation of what he said was a beautiful 14 yr old Vietnamese girl in front of her grandfather by American soldiers at a road check point!

I also suggest you read “Everything We Had” by Al Santoli, or the “Ten Thousand Day War” or google up the Mai Lai massacre or Lt William Calley.

Then you will realize the atrocities that Kerry protested against did take place. Vietnamese peasants were often caught in the middle between American and communist forces, villages were routinely razed if they were deemed to be communist friendly.

Kerry was not saying American soldiers were criminals, he was saying that the shitty policies that were enacted by the politicians back home were fueling this war with no end in sight that caught human beings Vietnamese and American alike in a quagmire with no hope!

If you remember your studies at that time there was the big domino effect theory about communism which fueled the reason for going to war in Vietnam. Well, after ten years and 58,000 American deaths Vietnam did fall to the communists and lo and behold the free world did not come to an end!

I for one, as a veteran feel honored that people like John Kerry and others would speak up if I as a soldier were caught up in a meaningless war and wanted to return to my family and loved ones alive!

If you agree with BB, Zeb, Rainjack, Jeffy, Daman, and others you will vote for Bush.

If you agree with me, RSU, tme, Lumpy, Vroom, and others that are like minded you will vote for Kerry.

We only have a few more weeks to wait and then let the cards fall where they may!

Mark this down on your calendar: I agree with Brother Elk!!!

Let’s come on over the the Challenge thread and accept the challenge.

Then, let’s vote!!!

Enough talk!!!

JeffR

Jeffy-

How old are you? Really, I mean it how old are you?

First it was the “I’m big with muscles and you wouldn’t talk to me like that if you were in front of me” and now your “Golly, lets make up names for each other”! Quit acting like an eight year old, unless of course you are and if so, then I commend you on your spelling skills for such a young lad!

I think there would be a problem getting over the hurdle “aid and comfort” when your evidence is just a meeting. I don’t know about where you come from, but when I meet with people I neither give nor receive anything remotely close to “aid and comfort”.

However, if he shipped weapons or gave secret intelligence to them, then I’d guess you might have something to actually talk about.

As it stands, this is just another smear tactic. Let’s call his meeting with the enemy, something that happens from time to time during wars, treasonous, simply because he talked to them. Nobody will actually think enough to distinguish the difference between discussing the situation and providing “aid and comfort” so it is a great political ploy.

Sadly, it is nothing other than a silly political ploy, as surely those who hatched it are well aware…

Maybe some of the lemmings in here aren’t aware of it yet, but hey, that is because they DON’T WANT to be aware of this fact. Being willfully blind is a pretty tragic state of mind, but as the saying goes, ignorance is indeed bliss.

Why risk a nice comfortable blanket of bliss?

I don’t know, vroom. Let’s say I’m a wartime general. If one of my OFFICERS went out and met the enemy behind my back, I would be extraordinarily pissed. I don’t care if he met them so they could play handball or something, I wouldn’t care. I’d be kickin’ somebody’s ass. And it is more than clear to me now that Kerry was still an officer, making money AS AN OFFICER, while protesting the very thing he was getting paid to do. By all accounts here, he was helping to lead the charge against the military. Hey, I’m all for freedom of speech and what have you, but that’s f’d up. If you’re gonna be a little bitch about the whole war effort, then don’t friggin’ do it while I’m paying you to fight. Plain and simple, I think that Kerry is anything but a “war hero”. What kind of hero bites the hand that feeds him, and betrays the military that he is supposedly a “heroic” part of? Now that I think about it, what Jane Fonda did back then was fairly reprehensible, but at least she wasn’t on the military payroll. Am I wrong here? Anybody? Did Kerry actually quit the military before he met the NVA and lead the protests? Set me straight if I’m wrong.

Elkhntr1yyy (as long as we are making up names…)- how old are you? You are making a greater case for being more juvenile than…Lumpy, which says one hell of a lot. You also ‘know’ as much as the average sixteen year old, which is to say everything, your Omniscience. “Not so swift veterans for deceit”- you are just too cutesy! But then again, you were THERE and all, so you WOULD know.

This may come as news to you , but others have read about, and wow, dude, taken a class about the Vietnam War. Like, Admiral Zumalt even spoke to my class for instance- way!

Guerilla warfare it was, until the North Vietnamese felt confident that large-scale operations would be successful in their invasion and takeover of South Vietnam. Amazingly, that corresponded to the withdrawal of weapons and air support by the United States, after the Democrats in Congress pulled the plug. Go look it up.

Atrocities, yes, as in any war, but moral equivalence, as you seen to imply, hell, make that fuck, no. In your exhaustive reading on the conflict, surely you came across the aftermath of Hue in the Tet Offensive. You know, something about 3,000 graves, of people targeted for execution, like school teachers and that kind of rabble. That was Vietcong policy. Go look that up too.

After 10 years, 58,000 US deaths, not to mention more than one million dead South Vietnamese, what did happen? Why at least another one million South Vietnamese died at the hands of their Northern brothers, many while being ‘re-educated.’ Others took to the sea- I guess a socialist worker’s paradise just wasn’t their bag. And next door, in the NVA supply dump and staging area, Cambodia was the name, some guy named Pol Pot had how many people murdered? While your at it, look this up too.

The USSR, home of the warm and fuzzy bear, as well as arms supplier to the friendly Vietnamese communists, was further emboldened. Those boys had a saying- probe with a bayonet. If you find steel, stop. If you find mush, continue on. Well, they must have been probing the minds of the leftist Democrats in Congress, skulls chock full of mush, because advance they did. It’s in the books.

By the way, why DID the refugee convoys always head south, into the arms of the capitalist, imperialist invaders, and not their Northern brothers? And yes, Kerry did call them war criminals, officers in particular, as they knowly approved such behavior at all levels of command. The doing my duty defense was rendered passe at Nuremburg. You can find that out as well. Well, then again, maybe YOU can’t.

You lefties are just too freakin’ much. You claim to know so much, like the fact that Edwards, not Bush, labeled Iraq as an imminent threat. That’s why you want him to be our next VP. Smart. Then again, if he is the next VP, then Kerry will be the next President, and wheelchairs will thusly be rendered obsolete, as they won’t be needed anymore, thanks to the Lurch. Does it get any better than that- the omniscience voting the omnipotent into office? How can it, one may well ask.

Go ahead, Elky Boy(oops, there I go with the nicknames- so sorry) and call me a “shit stain” and dress up my moniker as you like. For you don’t have the argument (a turd) or the intellectual acumen (turd polishing skills) or even the ability to express it well. Run along, little boy and have yourself a gay old time.

Loth,

A short while back in time it was likely it is that military officers would meet to discuss things from time to time.

Sometimes they would discuss things like prisoner exchanges, perhaps a local ceasefire on holidays, perhaps offer terms of surrender, threats or whatever else they felt needed discussing.

Hey, sometimes they might even discuss peace. There is nothing treasonous in having a discussion. It is simply being characterized as a problem when there is absolutely zero evidence that it was.

I wonder if you think negotiations going on in Iraq these days happen without somebody having to actually meet with and talk to representatives of the bad guys? War isn’t only about shooting weapons at things, even if that is often the only thing we hear about.

I’m not trying to support Kerry per se on this issue, but in the face of absolutely zero evidence, you can’t go around calling for a trial via petition. This is not the way the US is supposed to work. People aren’t tried for crimes based on popularity contests, are they?

Good lord, do you people even know what you are asking for? Danger Will Robinson! Danger!

Schrauper

I’m very happy that Admiral Zumwalt spoke to your class, I wonder from the nastiness in your response if you’re not one of the not so swift veterans?

Yes, you’re indeed right concerning the suffering of the Vietnamese once the North took over and yes, I am aware that over one million Cambodian’s suffered genocide under Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.

If you remember Schrauper from my post, I said atrocities were committed by all parties involved and a large part of this was due to a long drawn out guerilla war with piss poor planning and policies on our part and yes in the beginning led by a democratic President, Johnson.

The reason I wanted to make this point Schrauper is due to the fact that many of you like to make it appear that Kerry was totally fucking lying when he brought to light the consequences of what was happening due to the ineptness of policy and planning.

Schrauper, you dipshit, I wasn’t passing moral judgment on my fellow americans, rather accepting and not denying the fact that atrocities had been committed, readily admitted by many veterans of that war!

I may not state my position as eloquently as you, but stick this in your pipe and smoke it, you can shove your lefty bashing, Bush lie believing, pseudo intellectual bullshit, up your ass!

If you choose to wallow in lies with your head shoved up your “intellectually superior” ass, that’s your problem!

Schrauper

This time I will keep it as civil as I possibly can.

First off, I am well aware of the suffering incured by the Vietnamese people after Saigon fell in 75 and I am well aware that over a million Cambodians were the victims of genocide perpetrated by Pol Pot and the Khmer Rhouge. I am also aware that Communist Vietnam invaded Cambodia in 78 to end the suffering under the Khmer Rhouge.

If you read my post you will see that I stated there were atrocities committed by all sides involved and yes, again, I am aware that the Viet Cong and NVA executed many civilans in Hue during the Tet offensive.

Your are the one who chooses to keep your intellectualy superior head in the sand if you deny that in the many years we were there, especially the later years when moral was at an all time low. There were many atrocities committed on a lower scale by American GI’s! Are you denying that villages were raized, that civilian killings and rapes happened, that units like Tiger company actively participated in actions like the ones stated?

Are you the one sole expert on the history of Vietnam, oh maybe so, since Adm Zumwalt had the honor of teaching your class! I didn’t think I would ever say this over the internet, but you are one SOB I would like to meet in person!

Give it up, everybody, Vegita said his uncle didn’t see any atrocities… case closed!