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Proper Test of the Effects of Leucine on a Teenager.

Well I’m going to take it upon myself to test out how great the effects of leucine will be when ingested over a 2 week period of time by a 16 year old (Peak T-levels) It is worth noting I am 6 months into my training and have been knowledgeable and incredibly hardworking from the first day.

I train seriously with an upper and lower body split. My daily intake of calories is ~2300, all 100% clean.

my diet will be constant for all three days as follows:

Breakfast-
3 eggs, chopped onion, scrambled
1 cup of coffee w/ half and half & 2 tbsp splenda.
3 fishoil capsules
1scoop L-leucine

brunch-
chicken breast
1/2 cup canned pumpkin + cinnamon + 1 packet of splenda
crystallite
3 fishoil capsules
1scoop L-leucine

lunch-
1cup cottage cheese
2tbsp cinnamon
4 packets splenda
1/4th cup wheat bran
3 fishoil capsules
1 scoop L-leucine
1 cop chopped brocolli and green beans, steamed.

Linner-
1 scoop of whey
1/2 cup of wheat bran
3 fishoil capsules
1 scoop L-leucine

preWO-
6 BCAA’s

PWO-
1 banana(140)
2 scoops whey (240)
1 tray ice
12BCAA’s
1cup skim milk (90)
1scoop L-leucine

Dinner-
broccolli
eggplant
zucchini
8oz Chicken
3fishoil capsules
1scoop L-leucine

My training is in tri supersets

day 1: leg
day 2: upperbody
day 3: leg
day 4: upperbody
day 5: rest
repeat x 3

Leg day:
3x8 back squat @ 135 lbs (back injury)
5x5 romanian deadlift @ 135 (back injury)
4x6 leg press @ 410 lbs
3x15 weight banded side steps (each leg)
3x8 quad extension @ 170 lbs
3xfailure plank.
3x8 decline bench crunch with 25lb weight on chest.

Upper day:
3x8 chest flies @ 60lbs
3x8 incline bench press @ 125 lbs
5x5 clean + press @ 95 lbs
3x8 back rows @ 140 lbs (wide grip)
3x8 back rows @ 110 lbs (close grip)
3x8 bicep curl + overhead press (one smooth motion) @ 35lbs
3x8 tricep extension @ 50lbs
5x5 chin up @ 180 (bodyweight + 35)

Note sure what this one is called, but you take your barbell shove it into a corner get into a wide stance, keep your arms straight and use your body to move it side to side. 3xfailure with 30lbs of weight.

I weigh 142 lbs as of this morning. The morning I start I will reweigh, and every successing morning from that (directly after wake up piss) I will weigh again. My life will be consistently constant from day way to day 15. My NEPA will be walking around school, etc. I don’t play any sports so not much hardcore cardio.

Lets see how good this stuff is :slight_smile:


sideshot as of tonight.
worth noting this is after my PWO shake…so carb bloated.

I wouldn’t expect much in only 2 weeks from a supplement such as Leucine

btw- the bottle recommends only 4 servings daily (20g total). Not sure if there would be problems beyond that.

[quote]T3hlulzkiller wrote:
Well I’m going to take it upon myself to test out how great the effects of leucine will be when ingested over a 2 week period of time by a 16 year old (Peak T-levels) It is worth noting I am 6 months into my training and have been knowledgeable and incredibly hardworking from the first day.
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No offense, but you haven’t been training long enough to be a very good test subject.

Any gains you see at this point can easily be attributed to continued training and eating.

Besides, while I believe in the effects of L-Leucine, I don’t think the average user is going to see appreciable gains in just 2 weeks with it unless they keep very detailed measurements.

By the way, I believe that I recently read something by Bill Roberts where he said that Test levels peak in the early-to-mid 20’s, not in the teens as commonly thought.

Why are you eating so little

[quote]shookers wrote:
Why are you eating so little[/quote]

I agree. Wasn’t going to comment on it, but Lunch and Linner look like nothing at all

[quote]T3hlulzkiller wrote:
sideshot as of tonight.
worth noting this is after my PWO shake…so carb bloated.[/quote]

You have a lot to learn about eating if you think you’re bloated in this pic.

Like the other poster noted, you’re barely eating. I was easily eating twice what you are when I was your age. Granted, I was a little bigger, but you still aren’t eating much if you want to gain muscle. Your food selection looks more like a fat-loss diet.

Are you afraid to eat carbohydrates? Looks like your only getting them from wheat bran, pumpkin, milk, and a banana. I probably eat more during breakfast alone.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I wouldn’t expect much in only 2 weeks from a supplement such as Leucine

btw- the bottle recommends only 4 servings daily (20g total). Not sure if there would be problems beyond that.[/quote]

thib says the more the better but im not sure

I like the idea, but I don’t thrink yhou’re the right person to do it. I would think someone who’s been on a platuea and is of appreciable weight (>200 lbs).

Thanks for the thought, though

OP, your diet and exercise regimen is pretty damn impressive! Let the haters hate, you have a good grasp of the fundamentals, especially considering your age. I think that Leucine is probably one of the safest supps as well.

Considering what most 16 year olds do, you’re doing very, very well!

Having said all that, it still takes a calorie surplus to build muscle. Once you heal up from that back injury, and crank up the calories, you will definitely grow.

-Sab

Actually I’m an FFB, I gain fat INCREDIBLY quickly. Yes, it is somewhat fear as I did have an eating disorder for awhile and it still lingers…so I’d rather take it slower with only a minor surplus.

I have a great grasp of my body and what I feel is correct in my eating and calorie intake. For awhile I was taking in 4kcals but gaining weight too quickly…it took about 3 or 4 months to find the right balancing point in muscular growth and minimal fat gains.

Thank you Sabastian.

[quote]HK24719 wrote:
T3hlulzkiller wrote:
sideshot as of tonight.
worth noting this is after my PWO shake…so carb bloated.

You have a lot to learn about eating if you think you’re bloated in this pic.

Like the other poster noted, you’re barely eating. I was easily eating twice what you are when I was your age. Granted, I was a little bigger, but you still aren’t eating much if you want to gain muscle. Your food selection looks more like a fat-loss diet.

Are you afraid to eat carbohydrates? Looks like your only getting them from wheat bran, pumpkin, milk, and a banana. I probably eat more during breakfast alone.[/quote]

I find I’m more carb intolerant than tolerant. I keep my insulin sensitivity higher by focusing my carb intake around PWO only. Every other carb is minimal…under 5g per meal, and comes with fiber to slow down the digestion and second insulin spike.

-On a side note, I will happily test this out for 6 more months…time doesn’t matter…I have 84 more years to continue lifting :slight_smile:

I dont think people should be claiming they are ffb unless they were fat into adulthood. can i ask what you intend to do with your diet? are you adding in calories every week or so? or are you keeping it level?

Adding calories as I gain more weight. I have 75lbs over weight…pretty sure I was a fat boy :slight_smile:

[quote]T3hlulzkiller wrote:
Adding calories as I gain more weight. I have 75lbs over weight…pretty sure I was a fat boy :)[/quote]

were you being active? were you eating like you do now?

[quote]T3hlulzkiller wrote:
Actually I’m an FFB, I gain fat INCREDIBLY quickly. Yes, it is somewhat fear as I did have an eating disorder for awhile and it still lingers…so I’d rather take it slower with only a minor surplus.[/quote]

It’s obvious that you’re not a FFB. You may have had some “baby” fat, but it’s not the same thing. Not even close.

I agree that you do have an eating disorder, however. You’re hyper paranoid about gaining the slightest amount of body fat.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
T3hlulzkiller wrote:
Adding calories as I gain more weight. I have 75lbs over weight…pretty sure I was a fat boy :slight_smile:

were you being active? were you eating like you do now?

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If we apply these two questions to everyone who was fat and is no longer fat, we wouldn’t even have the ‘ffb’ term.

[quote]msd0060 wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
T3hlulzkiller wrote:
Adding calories as I gain more weight. I have 75lbs over weight…pretty sure I was a fat boy :slight_smile:

were you being active? were you eating like you do now?

If we apply these two questions to everyone who was fat and is no longer fat, we wouldn’t even have the ‘ffb’ term. [/quote]

:wink:

[quote]Beatnik wrote:
I dont think people should be claiming they are ffb unless they were fat into adulthood. can i ask what you intend to do with your diet? are you adding in calories every week or so? or are you keeping it level?

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Have you looked at the youth of today lately? Really have you? I would agree with you that in the past you would have needed to be fat into adulthood, but today no so much the case :frowning: