I don't care much for the issue that they were arguing about or any symbolic meaning it carries. However, I like watching Jon Stewart's show and I like that he points out the hypocrisy in other news programs (never mind there may be hypocrisy in his, who doesn't have it). I wanted to hear from those on this website, what they thought about this face-off, and what words of critique could be given. I think debate (in a civil, respectful manner; some call it dialog) has a very useful tool, but they way I see it done most is with huge egos, condescension and insults, which isn't very conducive to reaching any conclusion at all (except, to-agree-to-disagree). I think a lot on here could definitely use a lesson in proper debate, myself included.
"Now who is pettifogging? Now I can't even see you. Here you pettifog. No. That is exactly the same. Bob Dylan wrote a song about a convicted killer named Hurricane Carter. He has been to the White House. Why are you drawing the line at Common? There is a selective outrage machine here at Fox that pettifogs only when it suits the narrative that suits them. This guy is in the crosshairs in a way that he shouldn't be, whether you agree with him or not. You may think he is ignorant in believing that Assata Shakur is innocent. You may think he is ignorant in believing that mummy is. But then guess what? Bono can't go to the White House. Springsteen can't go to the White House. Bob Dylan can't go to the White House. You have got a lot of people that aren't allowed to sit in the White House because they have written songs about people convicted of murder."
I wonder how many Obama supporters would be sympathetic to George Bush if he brought a rapper into the white house who spoke badly of homosexuals, or described how much fun it would be to poison the air? It's funny how the liberals who promote pc behavior and have virtually outlawed certain words think that it's okay to talk about killing police officers.
For that matter if GW went to a church where the minister preached hate against black people we certainly know how would the media have reacted, and rightly so. Yet where was the media outrage regarding Obama's associations? Forget the outrage they didn't even report on it until it was brought up by FOX repeatedly. And then it was second page news.
Anyone who doesn't yet realize that a double standard exists is either stupid, or blinded by partisanship.
As for Jon Stewart he is and has been a schill for the democratic party for many years.
This one stands out pretty clearly doesn't it? And there should be outrage. But my point is why now? Obama has been associated with dastardly people for an entire life time. Having a rapper who talks about killing policemen invited to the White House is pretty much par for the course. And once again true to form the media doesn't give a shit.
Obama lives in a shell protected by his media pals. And all of the funny knit wits like Jon Stewart who keep the 20 something's in line. But there are something like a half million law enforcement officers and at least an additional one million family members and friends who will think twice before pulling the Obama lever.
It's really not different though. Judge the guy on his body of work not on what you think he raps/writes about. Look at the lyrics of the song everyone is using to condemn him as "condoning cop killing": "Assata had been convicted of a murder she couldna done/Medical evidence shown she couldna shot the gun" http://www.metrolyrics.com/a-song-for-assata-lyrics-common.html
Nowhere in the song is he laudatory of killing cops. Don't just toe the party line. If people don't vote for Obama because of this issue then I guess it's a validation of misinformation. You praise Beck for always asking people to look at the information for themselves and seek of facts on the matter: it's too bad that Fox viewers don't always do that. I'd also encourage you to actually watch his performance at the white house: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijxZohnQvI&feature=player_embedded#at=87
â??Politics is politics and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I respect that. The one thing that shouldnâ??t be questioned is my support for the police officers and troops that protect us every day."
Stewart's argument decimates O'Rielly's. If you can't see the hypocrisy underlying Fox's condemnation of this whole non-issue, then you are either mentally handicapped or blinded by terminal partisan hackery.
That said, I have always liked how these two can disagree on basically everything and still show each other a modicum of respect and a sort of weird, sharp-edged camaraderie.
Lets be honest whenever O'Reilly has Stewart on He turns down his crazy, because he probably is afraid he would be utterly destroyed by Stewart. I mean he really dials it down look at his interviews with a bunch of other political people, he just interrupts/yells/flat out ignores what they have to say.