[quote]rainjack wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
DO you want to get really confused?
haha no joke!
Read this:
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/progesterone.cfm
thanks for the link RJ.
It seems that besides progesterone’s relation to estrogen that it really isn’t that bad to have floating around the body. Thats what I got out of the read, I kept thinking, well if prog. is so bad then why does it do all of this good stuff lol
Some of the things I liked where how it prevents tests conversion to dht, is good for the prostate, prevents cancer, etc…
but yea this just adds to the confusion.
there is a lot of info out there on the three i’m talking about and it’s going to take a little more research to grasp how these hormones affect a male.
Gerdy
It has been said to me for several years by several different people, that the progesterone is not the problem with 19-nors - it is the excess prolactin. people call it progesterone gyno, and it should probably be more accurately described as prolactin induced gyno.
Like AS said - if you keep your estrogen in check while on cycle - you should be fine wrt progesterone and prolactin.
I’m not any sort of authority on orals - but I would never make the mistake of thinking one steroid will help counteract the sides of another - especially when you are talking about trying to manage the enodcrine system, i.e. progesterone and estrogen.
My question is, how does prolactin come into play among the three? Is it a function of the estrogen, or the progesterone.
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I agree that if estrogen is controlled then one should be fine. My only question is that some people get gyno off of tren alone. This is the same question I believe as your last statement about how prolactin comes into play among the three. Also many people get gyno from otc prohormones, most of which now a days seem to be progestin based if I’m not mistaken.
I also feel that i’m leaning towards what you said about not relying on another steroid to combat the sides of each other, but relying on the ancillaries. The fact that the other steroids work well with combatting sides is just a plus and I think that it should be taken into consideration when planning out a cycle. I think that if I were ever to take drol I’d also take winni just because it may harden up the soft drol gains. But then again this is the research phase, I’m not in the act of doing it so no worries…
Thanks again RJ.
Gerdy