DISCLAIMER: I don't personally recommend pro-hormone(PH) use. But it is clear to me that a lot of people don't have access to proper AAS and will turn to pro-hormones. Hopefully this will help them use these drugs in a safe and effective manner.
The usual stuff:
- You should be at least 21. No sense messing up your endocrine system, seeing as for all intents and purposes, PH's are steroids.
- You should have training and nutrition under your belt. Like AAS, these compounds are NOT a magic pill.
Just popping a few capsules a day won't net any magic results, but training hard, eating right and popping these pills can help you gain a few more pounds than you normally might.
- If you have access to AAS, use the AAS. Better gains, less (negative) sides.
I'm a 19 year old guy who cant put on weight...
Stop. Notice your age. In mathematical terms it looks like this:
19 < 21 = NO PH's
Eat more. Sleep More. You will be able to gain weight. But pro-hormones may dramatically affect your body's ability to produce and utilize testosterone in the future. Pro-hormones will act in a manner not unlike AAS, and will produce the same negative sides (with a few bonus negative sides thrown in for fun).
What is a PH?
A pro-hormone is a substance that is a precursor to a hormone, usually having minimal hormonal effect by itself. The term has been used in medical science since the middle of the 20th century. Examples of natural, human pro-hormones include pro-insulin and pro-opiomelanocortin.
How does this help me, the bodybuilder?
Well, when Anabolic Steroids were made illegal, many supplement companies made the move to circumvent this by creating precursors to a common steroids (like good old Testosterone). Even Biotest did this, and released the product known as MAG-10:
Sweet! Where do I get this stuff?
Here's the thing... you can't. Not the good stuff anyway. In 2004, Premier Warlord George W. Bush signed the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 which made AAS and pro-hormones illegal. Unfortunately, a lot of the world has this idea that the FDA knows what they're doing... so a lot of other countries have banned them too.
What?! Then why the hell did you made this thread you bastard?
Well here's the thing: the ban only lists specific pro-hormones. Supplement companies are trying to keep one step ahead by creating different pro-hormones and of course - designer steroids. These are usually methylated steroids that have flown under the radar.
Some examples are:
- Epistane (also known as Havoc)
- Help me out guys, list some more!
This sounds too good to be true... whats the catch?
There's a few:
- A lot of these aren't likely to be legal for too long.
- Pro-hormones haven't been tested as well as regular steroids. Simply put, we know about most (if not all) the side effects of AAS. We don't know much about pro-hormones.
- They are almost ALWAYS methylated steroids (like Epistane) which will be hard on the liver.
- Gains are actually better with AAS.
Then wouldn't AAS be a better option?
Yes. Unfortunately, not everyone has access to a supplier and for them, pro-hormones may well be the only choice.
Will I still need a PCT? And what is a PCT?
Post Cycle Therapy. A necessary part of hormone manipulation, which allows your body to return to its normal levels. Any large amount of exogenous testosterone will result in some form of shutdown, and you need to get your balls back in action! Most people will recommend Nolvadex run at 40/40/20 or something similar. Each case is different, and it's up to you to do the research.
Most people will recommend Tamoxifen as part of your PCT, but it will vary from product to product. The usual PCT will consist of:
Week 1: 40mg Tamoxifen ED
Week 2: 40mg Tamoxifen ED
Week 3: 20mg Tamoxifen ED
Plus assorted cycle support products, such as Himalaya's Liv 52.
So is it cool to stack Superdrol, Pheraplex and Trenadrol as my first stack?
No with a side of possibly. Generally its better to try running a non methylated pro-hormones first, and then step up to the methylated compounds second, due to the fact they're harder on the body/liver than the non methyl's. "Bridging" methyl's (running one into the other) is in a quick phrase, somewhat nuts.
It's an all out assault that's usually attempted by someone with some decent pro-hormone experience under his belt. Most people will tell you NOT to run two methyl's at one time, as it is a great way to kill off your liver.
If I take more of these than recommended will I have a heart attack?
Probably not, however as pro-hormones are relatively untested, it is suggested people start small and work up to a level that they feel comfortable with.
You could take twice the dosage, in theory but depending on the product that might just land you in the hospital. The effects WILL NOT double if you double the dose, you reach a point of diminishing returns where your body literally cannot process the amount of material you've ingested.
Most likely your sides will double, meaning you'll earn a neato nickname like "Pizza Face" or "The Pillsbury Dough Boy" from increased skin oil or water retention respectively. For a first time out you should read the back of the bottle and stick to those parameters.
It is generally recommended to take the capsules will some sort of fat. One option is to down Fish Oil capsules (or Flameout) with each dose.
Will this show up in a drug test?
Yes and no. If you're being tested for anabolic steroids, then yes, they will show up. If you're being drug tested for a job odds are they're looking for narcotics, hallucinogens, and most importantly weed.
How much/What do I have to eat?
Everyone is different. There's a section called 'Supplements & Nutrition'. Post there. More importantly, what are you doing this cycle for? Are you cutting or bulking? That all factors into diet requirements.
I'm going to go out partying with my friends and knock back a few. Is it cool to drink on these?
HELL NO. If you're running a methylated cycle you liver is already taking a pretty beating, adding alcohol to that mix is NOT a good way to go. Not to mention the fact that alcohol basically stops protein synthesis entirely, which negates even taking the pro-hormones (or AAS) in the first place.
While non-methyl cycles are easier on the liver drinking alcohol is a great way to stuff up your diet and reduce your gains.
So I finished my cycle, can I start one tomorrow?
Minimum time frame between cycles: Cycle + PCT + "Normalization Period" = Ready for your next cycle. What the hell is a normalization period? It's however long your body needs to get back to where it was hormonally before you overloaded it with pro-hormones on cycle and then with anti-estrogen's in PCT.
Your body will also use this period of time to do a little house cleaning on your cell receptors in your body making the next cycle as effective as the last one. The normal time will be at least the length of your PCT.
The difference between "wet" and "dry" steroids/phs is water retention. Water retention is caused by estrogen conversion through aromatase.
- M1T (and subsequent legal variants/clones)
- Bold (Being reviewed by DEA for possible banning)
- Epistane (AKA Havoc)
- Winztrol (banned?)
- Tren (Being reviewed by DEA for possible banning as we speak)
- M1T(and legal clones)
- Pheraplex and clones (Being reviewed by DEA for possible banning as we speak)
Steroids are classified under 2 categories. Class I has a strong binding to the androgen receptor. Class II does not bind to the androgen receptors, rather it works through other means in the body.
Cliff's notes of the above statement:
Class I = binds to androgen receptor
Class II = does not
These pro-hormone classifications are based on their steroid counterparts. If there are any revisions needed PLEASE post so below. If that goes unnoticed, PM me.
Boldenone based - 1,4AD & Bold
Progestin based - (similar to trenbolone) - Trenadrol & Trenaplex
Dienolone based - (again similar to tren) - Mdien
Mepitiostane (Thioderon) based - Epistane & Clones (like Havoc & so on so forth)
Desoxymethyltestosterone/DMT (Madol) based phs - Pheraplex & clones
DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) based phs - M5AA
Masteron (Dromostanolone) based - Superdrol & Clones
Oral Turinabol (Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone) based - Halodrol & Clones
Dianabol (methandrostenolone) based - M1,4ADD, M1T, 1-T, Methyl XT
Winstrol (stanozolol) based - Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno, etc
Furazabol (miotolan) based - Furazadrol etc
Progesterone based - Revolt, Propadrol, Max LMG
Clostebol based - Chlorodrol, Oxyguno
AMS's (Advanced Muscle Science) products - test boosters
Testabolan is not a prohormone, it is an ecdysterone, tribulus, oglio peptide product.
Superdrol NG - Prasterone = DHEA, Methyl Xanthine = Caffine, Aprodine HCL = Pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride, ATD - test booster/aromatase inhibitor
I would like to add that Mass Tabs is a prosteroid - 2a, 17a-dimethyl 17b-hydroxy 5a-androstan-1-ene-3-one however since its close to about 3-4 steroids/other prohormone compounds out there, I can't classify it. I would guess its a class II though.
If you plan on stacking two pro-hormones at the same time, the best combination are class I mixed with a class II. For example SD/Bold, Halo/Tren, M1T/Prop, and so on...
When you take a class I/class I stack, you're theoretically limiting your body's ability to suck up the little steroid molecules you're pumping into it. Think of it like a burger joint parking lot at lunchtime. There are no parking spots available, and you're stuck lying in line wait for a spot to open up.
However, with a class I/class II combination while one pro-hormone floats around binding to the androgen receptor, the other little guy is busy attaching itself to other parts of the body to encourage growth.
Now this post is far from complete. This is where that whole audience participation thing comes in. Chime in peeps!