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Problem With Stealth Injectables

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#1

been using a stealth test blend for 5 weeks now, having problems with swelling redness, pain, and what feels like a rock hard “hot” abscess inferior to the the injection site. i have been rotating sites, both glutes and both shoulders.

-this ONLY happens when i inject my shoulders.

-each time it is getting worse. the length of time for the abscess and swelling pain and redness to resolve i s getting longer each time. also the severity(size of abscess, amount of peripheral swelling, etc.) is getting worse each time. was resolving in 3-5 days, now 5-7 days.

-i am a health care professional, so my technique and aseptic proceedures are excellent.

-i am using 1 inch 25 gauge needles for my shoulders, 1 1/2 inch 25 gauge for my glutes.

-i have had “test-flu” the entire duration i have been using this product.

any input, or advise would be appreciated.

#2

How many ml are you injecting each time?

#3

Try using quads instead of delts?

#4

1/2cc each injection.

i have NOT tried quads for this, as i have had severe pain with other injectables when injecting there, so with this particular product that i am having so much trouble with, NO WAY am i trying to inject in my quads.

#5

I’m with ya brotha, I’m guessing cause I’m not that experienced with it, that they have a high BA content because I have done a couple shots of their Test E and they hurt like holy frickin hell…it is hard for me to sit down. I had heard that Test Prop hurt, but the stuff I made out of a synovex conversion is NOTHING compared to the pain I feel from this shit.

I’m going to try cutting it with some oil but if that doesn’t resolve it, I’m going to toss it cause it just isn’t worth this pain.

#6

Seems to me like many UG labs nowadays are producing VERY harsh stuff that cause golf ball sized lumps for 5-7 days. Who wants to pay for pain and flu like symptoms?

I’d imagine using roids to get in awesome shape and feeling invincible as much as the actual strenght and weight gains. I dont want to feel sick and half paralysed.

What seems weird to me is that you only get that reaction in your delts.

#7

Finally, someone with the same problems I had. I’d ask around on the various forums and everyone was spewing,“Shut the fuck up and take the pain and quit talking bad about the stealth line.” My first injection almost 4 weeks ago was 3 cc’s of stealth test enanthate and 4 cc’s of stealth EQ at once but in different glutes. Well not such a bright idea cause it landed me in the hospital. The EQ I couldn’t feel at all but the test was so freaking bad I said fuck it and went to the ER. I am not kidding when I say I had a lump that looked like I cut a cantelope in half and glued it to my ass. I wasn’t about ready to abandon my cycle so I decided to split up the doses into 4 different injections. 2 test and 2 EQ. This cut the pain in about half but it was still a motherfucker to workout through it. So I again cut the doses but this time mixed the test and EQ in the same syringe so I do .6 cc’s of test and .75 cc’s of EQ mixed in a syringe in 4 different sites. The other main thing that helped big time is heat it up. I put a bowl with about 1 inch of water in the microwave for about 2 minutes then let your vials sit in the heated water for 2-3 minutes. Make sure the vial is a little warm so it doesn’t crack. And it cools rapidly so draw and inject quick. Those two things have brought the pain from about a 9(on a 1-10 scale) to about a 1.5 and it’s only due to the injection pain not the test itself. I think I’d use more stealth products just not any of their testosterones again. Hope this helps.

#8

whats the concentration mg per ml? 500? IMO no gear is worth having to shoot in 4 different sites just to help with the pain. thats crazy.

#9

No it’s only 250 which is the crazy part. I am in the process of getting some other brands of test enanthate to judge if it really is the stealth. I’ve been told by several other guys that they used many different brands and the stealth is the only one that had these negatives effects.

#10

could be more than just the BA content, could be the fact its not heated/filtered properly and just dirty powder to begin with. Kinda like a smooth shot of patron to cuervo gold, gets the job done but hurts like a bitch in the morning! lol.

#11

There has been several complaints about usiong SI’s. I am wondering if one might need to filter the stuff before using.

I am a homebrewer, and really have no desire to try Stealth - but after so many complaints about pain, redness and swelling, it seems that there are issues with the novel idea of putting gear in ketchup packs.

#12

[quote]E-man wrote:
Finally, someone with the same problems I had. I’d ask around on the various forums and everyone was spewing,“Shut the fuck up and take the pain and quit talking bad about the stealth line.” My first injection almost 4 weeks ago was 3 cc’s of stealth test enanthate and 4 cc’s of stealth EQ at once but in different glutes. Well not such a bright idea cause it landed me in the hospital. The EQ I couldn’t feel at all but the test was so freaking bad I said fuck it and went to the ER. I am not kidding when I say I had a lump that looked like I cut a cantelope in half and glued it to my ass. I wasn’t about ready to abandon my cycle so I decided to split up the doses into 4 different injections. 2 test and 2 EQ. This cut the pain in about half but it was still a motherfucker to workout through it. So I again cut the doses but this time mixed the test and EQ in the same syringe so I do .6 cc’s of test and .75 cc’s of EQ mixed in a syringe in 4 different sites. The other main thing that helped big time is heat it up. I put a bowl with about 1 inch of water in the microwave for about 2 minutes then let your vials sit in the heated water for 2-3 minutes. Make sure the vial is a little warm so it doesn’t crack. And it cools rapidly so draw and inject quick. Those two things have brought the pain from about a 9(on a 1-10 scale) to about a 1.5 and it’s only due to the injection pain not the test itself. I think I’d use more stealth products just not any of their testosterones again. Hope this helps.[/quote]

by saying you ended up in the hospital, what happened? did they have to drain an absess, if so did the culture it?

i just had one of the surgeons here needle aspirate this knot on my arm, what came out looked suspicious, mostly blood but somewhat milky(purulent?) so we sent it down for a culture and gram stain. i will let you all know what comes of it as soon as i do.

never the less, i am ditching this product. not worth the risk. i have no PCT at this time, i have found a local doc who is very agressive and willing to treat males with hormone replacement therapy, a couple of freinds of mine who are ex-competitive bbers are seeing him, when i feel like i am “crashing” i will get an appointment and see if he can help me.

#13

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
E-man wrote:

by saying you ended up in the hospital, what happened? did they have to drain an absess, if so did the culture it?

[/quote]

After a CT scan and 2 seperate ultra sounds they concluded there was no abscess or abnormal formation except the monster welt on my ass. I kinda figured it was just a bad reaction to Test but it spread so rapidly I went just to be safe.

They just pumped me full of antibiotics for 3 days. I really don’t think they did anything it was just that the swelling was starting to decrease by itself. The lectures and guilt-trips by the Dr.'s were the worst part of the experience by far.

#14

On a side note does anybody else every experience these sides on any other brand of Test.

#15

no pct? are you opposed to it or just don’t have access?

#16

this is like kicking a sacred cow here i know, but i have never used PCT.

i have always taken a small dose and styed on for long periods of time, like 100-500mg a week total for 6 months 1 year straight, and tapered down dosage.

i have never experienced the "side effects’ i hear so much about on these sites. just my experience. i do not doubt that it is a good idea to use PCT, but like i said, that has been my experience. i know where i can get some HCG, but that is all. from what i hear on these boards, that is not sufficient by itself.

#17

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
i know where i can get some HCG, but that is all. from what i hear on these boards, that is not sufficient by itself. [/quote]

are you saying you don’t know where to get the other common ancillary compounds for PCT? they are widely available and not hard to get. You can get liquid Nolvadex, Fareston (toremifene citrate, which is a SERM getting some attention in the darkside world), Arimidex, Letrozole, etc. Drop me a PM if you want some help.

#18

my medically trained mind is sort of working overtime right now. if the culture i sent comes back clear, then my guess is that this is sort of a systemic reaction to some substance in the product, causing severe localalized inflamation.

the reason this is happening only in my delts is the smaller muscle, and smaller area for the swelling to accumulate, is causing sort of a compartment syndrome, that i am not noticing in my glutes.

if it comes back dirty(bacterial infection) then i would suspect the gear is contaminated, though no matter how careful you are, there is always a chance of self contamination, but as i said before, i doubt it, as i KNOW how to give injections and prepare a sterile field and use aseptic/sterile technique, and i have access to hospital supplies to help this(bleach wipes, chlorohexidine, sterile drapes, syringes, filter needles, etc.)

#19

Please keep us updated with the results of the lab tests if you don’t mind, I’m curious to hear if it was bacterial.

#20

You can always send a sample of the product to SRCS lab, or so I’ve heard.