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Problem with Starting Strength Regarding Nutrition


#1

No one responded to one of the inquiries I made on my last thread, which had to do with Rippetoe saying that beginners should gain 40 lbs. of bodyweight in fourth months, and that 60% of that should be LBM. Most bodybuilders would say that gaining over 20 lbs. of muscle within that time frame (without the use of drugs) is impossible.

So I don't get why Rippetoe strongly recommends beginners to put on such an exorbitant amount of weight after 3 to 4 months. Even his recommendation to put on 50 to 60 lbs. of weight in a year still seems crazy.


#2

Do you understand the difference between LBM and dry muscle mass? It is absolutely possible for an underweight beginner to gain that amount in that time frame. I have done it.


#3

[quote]Deva wrote:
No one responded to one of the inquiries I made on my last thread, which had to do with Rippetoe saying that beginners should gain 40 lbs. of bodyweight in fourth months, and that 60% of that should be LBM. Most bodybuilders would say that gaining over 20 lbs. of muscle within that time frame (without the use of drugs) is impossible.

So I don’t get why Rippetoe strongly recommends beginners to put on such an exorbitant amount of weight after 3 to 4 months. Even his recommendation to put on 50 to 60 lbs. of weight in a year still seems crazy. [/quote]

It isn’t that crazy but it also depends where you are starting. When I started I went from a skinny fat 140 to 185 with abs in around 6-7 months. That was with me making my own program(I had no fucking clue what I was doing) and just meat, potatoes, a lot of eggs etc. I had never touched a weight in my life before that.

Just do yourself a favor and don’t go from eating like a bird to eating like a 220 pounder overnight. Work hard, eat mostly good foods, and if lifts aren’t going up eat a little more the next week.

Also don’t focus on “ok I have to gain 40 lbs”. It is a huge generalization. Just get stronger and look better as you progress. Where you land is where you land.


#4

It is possible in a untrained indivual heavy compounds without wasting time on other things. Gomad etc is really for severe under eaters. I went from 170 to 200 in one year at age 34 to 35. But Rippitoe reccomends you watch it don’t go past 20% bf.


#5

Why ask us what Rippetoe thinks? Ask the man himself. He is active on his forum.


#6

[quote]The-German wrote:
Also don’t focus on “ok I have to gain 40 lbs”. It is a huge generalization. Just get stronger and look better as you progress. Where you land is where you land.[/quote]

Good point. This should be highlighted.

Just because others can gain such amounts doesn’t mean YOU can. Or you may be a genetic freak and be able to gain more. This is an on-going, everyday process.

Look at the scale and the mirror every week and evaluate whether you should increase or decrease calories. Don’t come back here in 6 months at 30% bodyfat and say we told you to dreamer bulk.

All this is an art as much as it is a science, and it requires you to also exercise a fair amount of common sense.


#7

If you’re already fat (20+ percent), you don’t need to gain anything.


#8

[quote]Deva wrote:
No one responded to one of the inquiries I made on my last thread, which had to do with Rippetoe saying that beginners should gain 40 lbs. of bodyweight in fourth months, and that 60% of that should be LBM. Most bodybuilders would say that gaining over 20 lbs. of muscle within that time frame (without the use of drugs) is impossible.

So I don’t get why Rippetoe strongly recommends beginners to put on such an exorbitant amount of weight after 3 to 4 months. Even his recommendation to put on 50 to 60 lbs. of weight in a year still seems crazy. [/quote]

  1. Starting Strength is not a bodybuilder program.
  2. A novice lifter can, and many many DO, add 20 lbs of muscle in their first 6 months of SS provided they DTFP.
  3. Advanced lifters will do well to put 10 lbs of muscle on in a year. This is due to the law of diminishing returns.
  4. You were answered in that other thread. You hear. But you do not listen.

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Why ask us what Rippetoe thinks? Ask the man himself. He is active on his forum.[/quote]

Rip does not suffer fools lightly.


#9

Advanced lifters will do INCREDIBLY well to put on 10lbs in a year, haha. Thats nuts.

And yeah, Rippetoe can be a dick on his forum, but it is his forum. It seems silly to ask us why he thinks a certain way when we can get a direct answer.


#10

[quote]Deva wrote:
No one responded to one of the inquiries I made on my last thread, which had to do with Rippetoe saying that beginners should gain 40 lbs. of bodyweight in fourth months, and that 60% of that should be LBM. Most bodybuilders would say that gaining over 20 lbs. of muscle within that time frame (without the use of drugs) is impossible.
[/quote]

And as I wrote in your thread, there are very big differences between lean mass and pure muscle mass. Lean mass literally means anything besides fat. That includes a helluva lot more than just pure muscle.

It’s entirely possible for a 6ft+ dude who weighs under 140lb and is a skinny stick to gain 30-40lb of lean mass within a couple of months on SS.

And why are you so fixated on what Rippetoe wrote?


#11

Rippetoe is not a bodybuilding routine, is a stength routine.

He recommends to gain that much weight to keep up with the progression of the routine


#12

The fact that you are letting this get in your head and you have already put a instant this impossible, no way I can, you are all dumb attitude is exactly why you will remain small and weak for much longer than you would have to. Stop being so… I don’t even know… Eat quality food 80% of the week, get at least you BW in Protein, and train your ass off. If you gain 5lbs doing all you could great, if you gained 50lbs doing all you could great. But, bitching and posting up the same question on an internet forum is going to get you no where fast.


#13

[quote]Deva wrote:
No one responded to one of the inquiries I made on my last thread, which had to do with Rippetoe saying that beginners should gain 40 lbs. of bodyweight in fourth months, and that 60% of that should be LBM. Most bodybuilders would say that gaining over 20 lbs. of muscle within that time frame (without the use of drugs) is impossible.

So I don’t get why Rippetoe strongly recommends beginners to put on such an exorbitant amount of weight after 3 to 4 months. Even his recommendation to put on 50 to 60 lbs. of weight in a year still seems crazy. [/quote]

There’s so many things wrong with this it’s crazy.

  1. Rippetoe doesn’t recommend that you add 40lbs in four months, he recommends that you DTFP. The weight gain is an expected product of the program, if adequate nutrition is used, in the same way that the strength gains are an expected product of the program, if adequate nutrition is used. It should be obvious to anyone that the weight gain you experience on the program will depend on your starting point

  2. Any weight gain experienced depends on your starting point. A 140lb 6 foot, underfed beginner could easily add this amount of weight, an elite bodybuilder will obviously not. A skinny-fat 220lb guy of the same height shouldn’t make any weight gain with this program. The assumption therefore is that you are eating appropriately for your condition and goals, remember the weight gain IS NOT the point of the program, the strength gain is the point of the program.

  3. Rippetoe doesn’t recommend that beginners put on massive amounts of weight, he recommends that beginners do the fucking program and use enough common sense to eat accordingly. If you don’t like it, don’t do the program, no-one’s forcing you.


#14

[quote]SevenDragons wrote:

  1. Starting Strength is not a bodybuilder program.
  2. A novice lifter can, and many many DO, add 20 lbs of muscle in their first 6 months of SS provided they DTFP.
  3. Advanced lifters will do well to put 10 lbs of muscle on in a year. This is due to the law of diminishing returns.
  4. You were answered in that other thread. You hear. But you do not listen. [/quote]

Wait, do you mean that you can 20 lbs. of pure dry muscle in 6 months, or 20 lbs. of LBM which would include 12 lbs. of pure dry muscle and 8 lbs. of water, glycogen storage, mass of bones, tendons, ligaments. If you meant the latter then I suppose that would be pretty reasonable.


#15

See, you aren’t asking questions for answers or clarifications. You are looking to argue. You are trolling.


#16

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Why ask us what Rippetoe thinks? Ask the man himself. He is active on his forum.[/quote]

Deva, I think you missed this when I posted it the first time, so I’m quoting it. I’m curious why you don’t ask Rippetoe directly. I’m not being rhetorical.


#17

#18

[quote]SevenDragons wrote:
See, you aren’t asking questions for answers or clarifications. You are looking to argue. You are trolling.[/quote]

I am not trying to argue, at least not for the sake of it. I just don’t get why there is a contradiction between Rippetoe saying that a newbie gain like 31 lbs. of LBM 11 weeks and others like Lyle McDonald who say that it’s impossible to make such gains. Even the bodybuilder Scooby, said that gaining “31lbs LBM in 11 weeks is pure fantasy and its a cruel trick to mislead teens to think they can achieve this.” Even, Christian Thibaudeau has said that in one of his posts that gaining 30-35 lbs. in one year would be quite an unusual feat even for a beginner. I mean, something is not right. I am curious to know what Chris thinks about all of this.


#19

#20

If you think it’s a stupid idea to put on the weight, don’t do it. Just don’t complain the program didn’t work. Your decision, your responsibility.

If not knowing the answer bothers you that much, go do a thesis on it.