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Pro Drug Stack: True or False?


I’m curious. I found this on the web. Is this true from experience from anyone? Maybe Shadow Pro know?

The Drug Life of a Pro Bodybuilder

Professional bodybuilders – NOT like you and me! That’s an understatement. But an even bigger understatement is that we clearly don’t take the same AS as pros; and certainly not in the same galvanic portions!
Everything changes when a pro card passes from the IFBB to a national champion’s back pocket. The game is raised, and the expectations along with it, as well as how things work. That is to say, all of a sudden, your IFBB pro card fits in the magic card key slot, and the golden door of opportunity just opens up and welcomes you inside. “Inside”, being the inner sanctum of drug use that includes everything from price to availability to the means to acquire steroids and other useful substances. After all, AS cycles are the lifeblood of a pro’s career. Anyone who tells you differently, is deluding themselves, and trying to delude you. So just what kinds of drugs do pros take at that level of competition? We’ll get to that in a minute. Let’s first look at what it actually means to be a pro….

First, the moment an athlete turns pro at the USA or the Nationals, drug dealers all over town are scrambling to either keep or get New Pro Guy’s business. They know he’s going to be needing an incredible amount of drug supply on a regular basis with his new status, and that he’ll continue buying them for a long time if he’s a success up on the stage and doesn’t blow it with poor condition. They want to be his supplier for the long haul. Keep in mind that it’s a matter of prestige and legitimacy for a supplier, too:

If Regular Guys A & B, prospective new clients, need drugs, they’re going to go to that supplier because they know he supplies New Pro Guy. If it’s good enough for New Pro Guy, it’s certainly good for their cause, and it increases Drug Dealer’s client base and income.

The other benefit to turning pro, where acquisition is concerned, is simple: Many hangers-on, wannabes and entourage prospects, will want to acquire the drugs for a new pro, because they want to curry favor, and be N.P.G.’s buddy so they can say that they “know New Pro Guy”. Now he owes them, but he’s gotten to keep his nose clean. He no longer has to approach dealers himself, and risk a raid or arrest. Either they come to him, or he can send any number of willing guys to the dealer on his behalf.

Being a new pro means being catapulted to instant “Fuckable New Pro Guy”. Ahhhh, the allure of a laminated piece of paper, half the size of the palm of your right hand! As a new pro, there’ll be rarely a lonely night, and N.P.G. has an instant cook, laundress and steroid/ drug mule to do his bidding where once these filthy chores were his alone! This changes everything, believe it or not. Now he has more time to spend acquiring drugs, taking drugs, training, and finding other girls to keep on the side.

So just how expensive could competitive drug use become for a new pro? Quite. In fact, up until this time, know it or not, he was actually a mere recreational drug user. Now, with card in hand, he’s a bonafide competiive drug user complete with carte blanche to abuse the hell out of any anabolic substance he can get his hands on. Alas, however, with this new unlimited lease on drug use comes a greater fiscal responsibility; particularly if he is poorly “connected” (or just plain clueless about how the system works). Incidentally, it’s our theory that, unless the genetics are just ‘ill’, 12th through 18th place are filled with poorly connected dudes who can’t catch a break with a regular supplier.

Often, it merely comes down to financing. A pro’s menu of drugs is astronomical, even when discounts are afforded. That’s why a great many pros try to get at least a $2K to $4K/ month contract with a supplement or equipment company. This is almost a “must” for any guy who wants to make the grade from the start. That is, of course, unless he’s willing to work full time to support his habit. Let’s face it, even superior genetics aren’t enough in this day and age to place someone at the top of his game. It’s a combination of chemicals, connections and good DNA.

To give you a frame of reference about the difference between a good amateur and a fledgling pro, it’s like this:

Whereas he used to inject 6 iu/ day of GH, now he injects up to 18 iu/ day!

Whereas he once filled a shoebox with drugs, now it’s more like an orange crate.

Whereas he once used just 3-4 drugs per cycle, now he’s using up to 8.

Whereas he once went “on” for 8 weeks, and came off for the same, now he’s “on” for 12 weeks and “off” for just 4.

Whereas he once injected a muscle or two for cosmetic enlargement, now he’s a pincushion for Synthol.

Whereas once he practiced sodium loading to engorge his muscles before competition, he now uses plasma expanders to do the job.

Wait…did everything just become ultra complicated?

Sound appealing? Depends on who you are. But one thing is for certain: A pro’s life and choices will never be the same again, until he stops competing on the big stage. As a top amateur he probably devoted a good many hours weekly to the sport – more, depending upon his level of motivation, dedication and liabilities. BUT, as a new pro, he may as well get used to the fact that he’ll live, breathe, eat and sleep pro bodybuilding until he retires…or is forced to get an organ transplant; whichever comes first.

He’ll also have to get used to using drugs that may be unfamiliar to him in his amateur career. Things like plasma expanders to increase blood volume, high-powered diuretics that he was sure were outlawed a few years back, are now back in his system. Now, he’ll probably be using insulin, which is foreign to a lot of amateurs until they hit the pros. If he can make the Top 3 at the Nationals in his weight class, why would he ever have taken it? But he’ll have to become accustomed to the high art of finding that balance between simple sugars and nausea or diabetic coma. He will mess up in the beginning.

Insulin is a fact of life for a pro. It is one of the most anabolic substances known to man, and it’s also one of the most dangerous and difficult to perfect. It also may alter his chemistry and pancreatic function for life – something he’ll have to come to terms with as he prepares for successive shows.

The average cost of a drug cycle for an IFBB pro is about $2K to $3K a month. That’s right…there’s a chance N.P.G. will spend upwards of $36,000 in a year on drug use. And that’s at a discount.

Some things won’t change. Like the staples of drug use in his growing crate of drugs. For instance, Testosterone Cypionate, Testosterone Enanthate, and Tesosterone Suspension are all staples for any bodybuilder. Each is used in different cycles for different reasons with different drugs accompanying. Same with Winstrol-V, Anavar, Sustenon, Primobolan Depot, and Sten, or D-Bol. All of these can be purchased quite easily and cheaply from someone in the gym – or many of them in Mexico. Mexico is cheaper, but local is less risky. Mailing these drugs back to the States is the only way for an obviously large man to go. Crossing the border with a big supply is risky. This isn’t anything new, and a part of the lifestyle that will continue for years to come as a new pro.

Crossing over into the realm of official “long term use” now means that hair loss is certainly inevitable, even if he’s escaped that side effect thus far. He should expect to get ‘gyno’ at least once in his career, if not more than once. He’ll have to get used to being accused of using Synthol (because, let’s face it, he is) and of being accused of implants of the pecs, calves, biceps or otherwise. He’ll have to get used to staying leaner in the off season too. A guy can’t maintain his messed up habits of overeating until he’s ready to burst after competitions. He’ll need to stay photo ready (for a pro this means, ‘within 25-30 pounds of contest weight, with the ability to drop 8 pounds of water overnight) almost all the time.

And that brings up another thing…

His cycles, as mentioned earlier, will be longer, with less time off, simply because now he is under official scrutiny. No longer can he get fat or small in the off season and just wear clothes that hide it. If he’s not showing skin, he’s automatically suspect. If he’s not in the magazines now, much more often, it means he sacrifices having been seen all year by judges who monitor his appearance and condition, unofficially, officially. He risks losing at least 5 places if he hides in the off season (because unless your name is Coleman or Cutler, and they know you’re good, you’re toast). That means increased drug use, better diet, and more time dedicated to pursuing all of this each day and week. Can N.P.G. hang?

Here are just a few pro cycles he will have to endure, and bankroll, to go ‘all the way’. We say “endure” because he’s probably been laboring under a misconception that being a pro is all fun and frivolity. Actually, it’s a lot harder than being an amateur, even though the workouts stay the same. That’s because taking more drugs, in larger amounts, is arduous and hard on the body.


Coleman’s Purported Cycle – K.I.S.S. (Keep it Simple Stupid!)

1 Sustanon/Hr + 1 Deca
10 D-Bol tabs/ every 3 hours
10 iu GH/ every 3 hours
20 iu Insulin/ every 3 hours (w/ meal)
100mcg IGF/ 3x a day

Don’t Try This at Home

Weeks 1-20: 2500 Mg. Sustanon (EW) + 1000 Mg. E.Q. (EW) + 200 Mg. Test. Propionate (D)
Weeks 1-8: 70 Mg. D-bol (D)

Weeks 8-13: 600 Mg. Nandralone Phenylpropionate (EW)

Weeks 14-20: 100 Mg. Trenbolone Ac. (EOD) + 50 Mg. D-bol (D)

Gonzo Boy Cycle

Weeks: 1-8 250mg Sustanon (EOD) + 800mg EQ (EW) + 100mg Trenbolone Ac (EOD)
Weeks 9-21: 1000mg Test. Cypionate (EW)
Weeks 9-16: 1000mg EQ (EW)

Weeks 12-24: SuperClen 200mcg/Ephedrine 60mg/keto 3mg (D)

Weeks 16-24: 100mg Trenbolone Ac. (D) + 50-60mg Anavar (D)
Weeks 22-24: 50mg Test Propionate / 50mg Test Suspension (D)
Weeks 1-12: 15iu GH (D)

Weeks 9-10: HCG 5000iu
Weeks 13-24: 20iu GH (D)

Weeks 16-17: HCG 5000iu
Weeks 1-24: 50mg Aromasin (D) + 1 mg Arimidex (D)

The downside to living a public life filled with illicit drug use…

Keep your nose clean – both in terms of getting into unnecessary pissing matches, and in terms of being “invisible” with all that you do. So many people want to know you, but for everyone who wants to know and hang out with you, 100 more want to bring you down. This is why it’s so crucial to know who your friends are, lest you create unwitting enemies. Case in point: Craig Titus. Finding friends, when you need them most, when you are cocky, arrogant, combative or otherwise unpleasant because of your drug use, is nearly impossible when the chips are down. And let’s face it, we all get a turn now and again.


Depends. Some use more. Some use less. The only ones who really know are the Pros themselves and their trainers/dealers. I wouldn’t put much faith in anonymous articles on the web claiming to know what everyone is using especially if they written by likely shills for UGLs or self proclaimed drug gurus.


DT, did you read the ‘Coleman cycle’? You think there’s even a remote chance it’s legit? It’s pretty hilarious.

I should have stopped reading at “1 sustanon per hour”. What a ridiculous thing to say. 10iu GH every 3 hours is nearly as absurd. That would amount to 80 fucking iu per day. or at least 50iu if you’re only talking about waking hours. Still not possible.



I love these supposed “pro cycles”

Saw one that was supposed to be Dorian Yates’s and it was brilliant. Had like 300mg/day of dbol


I think some of these writers have wonderful imaginations lol.


This is how they hype products that they can’t legally advertise.


I know a few powerlifters personally who have run several hundred mg of dbol, and various other orals, for a few weeks. It’s not sustainable, but it happens more often than you might think.


yeah I’m sure people get crazy, but honestly if you’d seen this cycle.

I’ll try and find it


i think a lot of people want to believe that the pros use way more drugs than everyone else, and forgot the role that training, diet and genetics plays.

Lee Priest has always been pretty open about stuff, and if what he says is true, uses less gear then the average person here.

i guess i’m surprised how weak some guys are when they get on androgens for the first time, and i suspect those types don’t make it very far (haven’t figured out how to train, clearly aren’t genetically gifted, etc).


Yeah I think that this was first a joke, then I keep reading and some of this looks unbelieveable. But who knows? Sometimes I believe it is true for some body builders especially when they have problems very young and don’t last long or maybe a bad reaction to a little of some types of drugs, I’m not sure.

But I don’t think that many also tell the truth also because all of them say they only use a little. Or maybe they lie about using so much and leave other things out, you’re right only they can know this for sure. So maybe they just say I use a little test/dianabol and this other stuff, when really they use much more than that. Again if they lie then only they know for sure or maybe their trainer and friends know.

I read the other day by example that Mike Mentzor used to say he took 1cc of deca and 3 dianabols a day but Casey Viator wrote that he used to use about 2.5 grams of deca alone! Now we ask is this real what we are reading, do we even know Casey said this…we never know for sure. They are both gone so they took the secret with them to there grave.


Mentzer and Viator could both be telling the truth.

And whether or not Viator actually did that is obviously something we can’t know, but I personally know plenty of people who would run that much deca. I know people who have run almost that much Tren.

I can say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there are A LOT of people in this world who have run more than 4 grams of gear per week, at least for short periods of time. Some longer than others. Probably thousands of people.


Craig Titus too. I remember, a pod cast interview from prison, if you can find it, were he says about all the stuff he took to be in the Olympia, and what they must be using now, and what the Olympia competitors were using also. He talks about 4 grams cypionate alone, 200 mg Anadrol a day, 20 iu human growth hormone, plus more crazy stuff even with that. DNP, clen, t3, no name it and stuff like cytomel too with the steroids. Makes you wonder how someone can use so much it must be hell to deal with.

I also remember the last interview with Mike Matarozzo after he retire, and he said similar crazy things and lots of diuretics also before the show. I always liked Mike and feel bad he passed away, but when you hear them talk like that you know why and it’s too bad. I can’t imagine 7lbs of steak a day, he ate that, and how someone can do that all day every day is something unbelievable by itself.

Flex Wheeler too, he said he use 200 mg winstrol a day nonstop for many weeks before a show in addition to everything else. In the pros, maybe that’s not so crazy though, I don’t know.

So these guys say they used so much, and others did too because they mention them as well so maybe everybody takes crazy amounts of drugs. But some more crazy than other I guess?


flipcollar I know someone at my gym who used the acetate tren, every third day or something like that, but not even for 2 weeks before he throw it all away. Before he used dianabol and propionate together but said that trenbolone made him feel like hell when he used that too, not just in the beginning like test does but everytime he took it. Hated it and told everyone else to stay away because he can’t stand the coughing and losing breath every time, and his sweating was even worse, he could smell it and said it smelled different when using tren. Maybe it was something else conterfeit and not tren, then I’m not sure, but he said he liked the brand (kalpha I think it was) and that it probably was 100% real. Since then another guy in his 30s said the same thing to me, he would never use it again…

If this is true then I can’t imagine what using so much can do to a man, unless that person is a pro and it doesn’t bother them at all. Not sure how using that much it can be but everyone is different.


the funny thing is, Craig Titus was never very impressive as a bodybuilder. if you don’t have the genetics or lifestyle (he was a notorious party boy), it doesn’t matter how much drugs you take…


i think some of the issues with the doses people claim that they are taking, is that some of the gear they get is underdosed or faked, too.

primo and anavar is faked all the time, as is hGH…

i trust my research chem source because i get enough bloodwork to know they’re legit, but who knows about the rest of that stuff…

another point to make, is the cost of some of the cycles they suggest people are taking… think about the cost of your cycles and do the math-there simply isn’t enough money in bodybuilding and powerlifting for some of those articles to be legit.


I can see if it’s test, but how can you can tell from bloodworks the effects but the type of drugs that you are taking? maybe two different types of drugs effect your blood same way, but how do you know which drug was taken in the end, if maybe it’s what you think you have or another drug instead?


well, i think part of that is up to the user to add in compounds slowly to see the effects while they’re a novice to see how they react.

the thing is, the high dose cycles are relatively new, or at least from what i understand. back in the early '90’s i used to talk about the mythical “gram-abol” cycle with friends, which was simply a gram a week of test. aromatase inhibitors are relatively new, as well, and allowed guys to bump up their doses quite a bit to avoid the water and gyno issues. before, all we had was proviron, teslac and cytadren. they worked with lower dose cycles, but not higher dose cycles…

but most of the guys that i know that use steroids are guys that were athletes and lifted for years before they took the plunge, so to speak. they used steroids to bring their bench from 350 to 500, not 200 to 350…

^IMO, the designer “pro-hormones” created a generation of guys who were taking androgens as soon as they started lifting… i can’t even count how many people i know of who were on Superdrol and Pheraplex that had been only lifting for a few months.


Makes sense thanks cycobushmaster, that is interesting information you posted there.

Superdrol I have heard of but never used or know anyone that used, but I heard things from other people talking, one time at a nutrition store one big guy working there described this stuff as being more powerful than dbol, actually anadrol but stronger without the water he said. Have you tried this one to compare it with anything else around? just curious what it compares to that’s all…

I know people that tried before the pheraplex and epistane designers and they said they were good but later version were different from the original one somehow, but still effective anyway they said. I don’t know what is out there now for prohormones or designers because no one I know uses them any more, but maybe there are a few as effective.


Superdrol’s strong as shit… some guys here love it, but i felt toxic the whole time i was on it. i got seemingly bigger and leaner by the day, but felt worse and worse…

mg per mg, superdrol is stronger than pretty much anything available. however, it might actually be more liver toxic, as well (which might explain why i felt so shitty on it)

i liked the Haladrol clones (Helladrol, 4-chloro) the best of the legal stuff. it’s a shame that it got banned, but i will admit, there were times when i didn’t respect what it could do, since it was OTC… at least when you’re injecting something you realize that it’s a significant drug (and most injectables are easier on the body, anyway…)


Gonzo Boys cycle doesn’t look so out of hand from what i saw. I didn’t look very hard though. Dave Palumbo, Yates, and Levrone all kind of sounded like they were on a similar page. Palumbo 1 g test, 600 mg eq or deca, and a little tren. Makes sense. I believe it. I also believe, however, that there have been quite a few times when most of those guys “pushed the limits” at some point. Im on 1 g test 600 mg eq, plus 400 NPP plus 400 tren ace (NPP and TREN recent additions). Very effective, but I would be VERY surprised if most pros were not or have not used more than me. Side effects are not unbearable, and most of the time not even noticeable, and the gear is good. This tells me that there is room to go up in dose (not that I want to). But if i was a competitor on the BIG stage of pro BB or Pro Powerlifting, Im sure I would go into deeper waters, and id be surprised if no on has pushed the few gram of test envelope, or 1 gram tren, or 200 mg orals for a few weeks, etc…