We all know some athletes take advantage of short ester compounds like test suspension and designers like The Clear…but they’re unable to use an AI or a PCT because they’d fail
drug test.
Ive always wondered, do they just take it on the chin with the sides?
stuff like that you’ll never get an answer to. The only people who know are the pro’s and there’s no way they’ll tell
i have never done pct, and have never used an AI…
as i stated in the other thread - i had never had any sides during 4 years of steroid use…
if balls shrink, they come back in 2 weeks after the cycle… if lil gyno starts, it goes away in 2-3 weeks also.
never had any change in sex drive - its the same on 1g of test, on nothing or right after the cycle…
thats why i made my thread about - why do pct… no responses for 2 days now…
but anyway, i gues its just that ppl are different - ones get sides, others dont… during the “good old days” there was no such thing as PCT - Arnold did a 9month cycle and “offed” it with a lighter 3 month cycle.
its just my barbaric opinion, but - if you get sides from steroids and you cant even finish cycle without taking loads of other stuff just to keep you alive or stuff, you shouldnt use steroids.
i read lots of stuff on the forums and it seems kinda strange - ppl do steroids, take other drugs that helps them finish the cycle, then they take other drugs to get their d*ck up again, after the cycle.
imo - if you need steroids + other stuff on cycle + other stuff after the cycle = you probably shoulds do steroids at all…
there is an actual science in forums just to get you through one cycle - what to use while on, what to use while off…
i dont know why ppl do steroids in those conditions…
in my opinion, its like - being allergic to peanuts, then - cycling on peanuts and taking some anti-peanut drugs, just so they could eat peanuts for 2 more weeks, after which they need more drugs, so they could eat anything again after the cycle of peanuts.
[quote]Semigall wrote:
i have never done pct, and have never used an AI…
as i stated in the other thread - i had never had any sides during 4 years of steroid use…
if balls shrink, they come back in 2 weeks after the cycle… if lil gyno starts, it goes away in 2-3 weeks also.
never had any change in sex drive - its the same on 1g of test, on nothing or right after the cycle…
thats why i made my thread about - why do pct… no responses for 2 days now…
but anyway, i gues its just that ppl are different - ones get sides, others dont… during the “good old days” there was no such thing as PCT - Arnold did a 9month cycle and “offed” it with a lighter 3 month cycle.
its just my barbaric opinion, but - if you get sides from steroids and you cant even finish cycle without taking loads of other stuff just to keep you alive or stuff, you shouldnt use steroids.
i read lots of stuff on the forums and it seems kinda strange - ppl do steroids, take other drugs that helps them finish the cycle, then they take other drugs to get their d*ck up again, after the cycle.
imo - if you need steroids + other stuff on cycle + other stuff after the cycle = you probably shoulds do steroids at all…
there is an actual science in forums just to get you through one cycle - what to use while on, what to use while off…
i dont know why ppl do steroids in those conditions…
in my opinion, its like - being allergic to peanuts, then - cycling on peanuts and taking some anti-peanut drugs, just so they could eat peanuts for 2 more weeks, after which they need more drugs, so they could eat anything again after the cycle of peanuts.[/quote]
Well if you really like peanuts, happen to find out youre allergic, but want to continue to enjoy peanuts, I’d say it makes complete sense to take a drug that would allow you to do so…
I don’t know why you wouldn’t want to do a pct it’s proven to work and your body recovers faster then it could naturally. Sure maybe on short cycles where your not suppressed as long it’s possible but when it comes to longer cycles why wouldn’t you do it. But if it works for you that’s great, some people just have those genetics.
Semigall, not trying to start a war here, just curious, would you post pics of yourself (face edited out). I’m not calling you a liar but I want to see the physical results of your cycle (no homo).
I see your reasoning behind your statement but really what you’re dealing with here is adding things to your body that are unnatural. Being as you’re changing the chemistry of your body (literally), the body uses the PCT to regulate. Of course Arnold did it along with all the other bodybuilders of yesteryears but we have come a long way scientifically to just forgo PCT.
I see this thread ending badly.
You’re body is constantly trying to achieve homeostasis.
The human body detects the exogenous testosterone, calls off the troops (the testes),compensates with extra estrogen, etc. making an AI necessary and PCT commonplace
We all know this, no need to delve into it any further.
…RDS im with ya, either they deal with the sides or they have access to shit we wont know about for years. But we still hear about the occasional positive for nolva or HCG.
Just seeing if someone could shed some more light on the situation
And if eating peanuts for 12 weeks packed on muscle and made you feel like all that is man, you’d see some PCT for them too.
Its all about results, people don’t mess with DNP 'cause its healthy
[quote]SpecialEd8256 wrote:
And if eating peanuts for 12 weeks packed on muscle and made you feel like all that is man, you’d see some PCT for them too.
Its all about results, people don’t mess with DNP 'cause its healthy[/quote]
This. That post was pretty retarded. Its not like people take steroids just because they like taking steroids–it aint the needle going in that brings them back, its the results. Stupid post is stupid.
[quote]SIM37 wrote:
Semigall, not trying to start a war here, just curious, would you post pics of yourself (face edited out). I’m not calling you a liar but I want to see the physical results of your cycle (no homo).
I see your reasoning behind your statement but really what you’re dealing with here is adding things to your body that are unnatural. Being as you’re changing the chemistry of your body (literally), the body uses the PCT to regulate. Of course Arnold did it along with all the other bodybuilders of yesteryears but we have come a long way scientifically to just forgo PCT.
I see this thread ending badly.[/quote]
i dont have much pictures, and also - i cant find a way to add more than one image so - do you want to see one 3 year old picture? 
i dont make pictures because im 6’2 and adding 10lbs doesnt make that big of a difference when taking photos with my 7 years old Nokia phone.
anyway, my stats before and after are -
started : 6’2 and 147lbs, 13% BF
now : 6’2 and 231lbs at the moment, when off cycle. Bodyfat at around 10-12%.
this, ofc is not 1 cycle… its 8 years of training, 4-5 of them natural and 2 of them lost because of stupid 3 month cycles which didnt do any good past week 5… thats why i moved to short ones.
[quote]SpecialEd8256 wrote:
We all know some athletes take advantage of short ester compounds like test suspension and designers like The Clear…but they’re unable to use an AI or a PCT because they’d fail
drug test.
Ive always wondered, do they just take it on the chin with the sides?
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My coach was in the national team. At the most, their cycles were no more than 20 days. The dosages varied, up to 90mg winstrol, up to 35mg dbol and up to 300mg test prop/week. They never did a PCT. I believe it is due a combination of the short length of the cycle and the relatively small amount of drugs.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
That post was pretty retarded. Its not like people take steroids just because they like taking steroids–it aint the needle going in that brings them back, its the results. Stupid post is stupid.[/quote]
ffs, i know why people use steroids - c’mon… there is no stupid posts, its just the readers mind that makes the difference.
what i ment to say is : guys who dont do pct should not be considered some kind of freaks or monsters… steroids were made to cure disease and they dont do a pct in hospitals as far as i know.
ofc, bodybuilders do 10-50 times the dosages, but still - there are lots of people who dont get much sides at all and especially doin short cycles(i dont do more than 5 weeks anymore).
so the thing is - in my opinion - if you need loads of drugs to recover from other drugs, maybe you need to change something.
i know that long cycles and PCT after them is what most people do and im ok with that.
im just expressing some different views on this - you dont need to get rude just because of that.
my sugestion is - if you do steroids just because you’re a gym rat and want to be big, but dont have any chances bein Mr.O or winning at National levels, dont screw yourself up so much that you need a cycle after a cycle just to get a woody.
[quote]Semigall wrote:
i read lots of stuff on the forums and it seems kinda strange - ppl do steroids, take other drugs that helps them finish the cycle, then they take other drugs to get their d*ck up again, after the cycle.
imo - if you need steroids + other stuff on cycle + other stuff after the cycle = you probably shoulds do steroids at all…[/quote]
Not to mention that the common PCT drugs in the dosages taken are actually not all that good for your health either.
[quote]seekonk wrote:
[quote]Semigall wrote:
i read lots of stuff on the forums and it seems kinda strange - ppl do steroids, take other drugs that helps them finish the cycle, then they take other drugs to get their d*ck up again, after the cycle.
imo - if you need steroids + other stuff on cycle + other stuff after the cycle = you probably shoulds do steroids at all…[/quote]
Not to mention that the common PCT drugs in the dosages taken are actually not all that good for your health either.
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That’s something that I’ve been considering lately. I can’t find anything official that says why we should be using nolva 40/40/20/20, all i can find is it being repeated in forum after forum. Drugs are bad. More drugs, is bad. I can see the case for PCT but the dosages don’t seem to have any rhyme or reason to them.
I’d love it if someone with knowledge or book learnin’ could chime in on this.
[quote]Semigall wrote:
i dont have much pictures, and also - i cant find a way to add more than one image so - do you want to see one 3 year old picture?
i dont make pictures because im 6’2 and adding 10lbs doesnt make that big of a difference when taking photos with my 7 years old Nokia phone.
anyway, my stats before and after are -
started : 6’2 and 147lbs, 13% BF
now : 6’2 and 231lbs at the moment, when off cycle. Bodyfat at around 10-12%.
this, ofc is not 1 cycle… its 8 years of training, 4-5 of them natural and 2 of them lost because of stupid 3 month cycles which didnt do any good past week 5… thats why i moved to short ones.
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C’mon dude. I think we’ll be able to see the difference between 150lbs and 230. Just post the pics. Do 2 posts if you have to. It’s not hard.
Well I agree that PCT and AIs are not necessary for every one. Alot of people yes but myself I am fine with out one and literally feel much worse when on a AI and I began B and C honestly because I hated how I felt on PCT. I know it goes against alot of people advice here but I have said it 100 times Arimidex, Letro, Proviron, Caber, and the such need to be on hand but, UNLESS blood work or sides dictate they do not need and should not use them. Also my pic and videos are on this site and to the left of this post I’m nothing impressive but, I’m damn farther ahead than where I was.
I think there is a lot of variables one must consider when taking any kind of drug. Side effects from coming off drugs or withdrawals are usually determined by frequent of use and for how long. When one has a heroin addiction for so long and tries to come off cold turkey withdrawals are hell since the body was so dependent on the substance being that it effected your own natural production of chemicals in your body that made you feel “normal” before. While a heroin addict can use other softer drugs to slowly taper off to lessen the withdrawal symptoms the fact still remains that they will still have withdrawals and they only prolong their own natural recovery.
Sometimes recovery can be months to really feel 100% but even then some people don’t ever feel like they ever are “right” again due to being dependent on a drug so long that they forget what it really feels like to be normal again. While a physical addiction is easier to get to, mental addictions usually come at a longer time on a drug and can really mess up your psyche.
I think it is important to know exactly how long you can be on a drug before your body becomes dependent on it. You can use hard drugs a few times for a week and come off of it cold turkey no problem. But when you prolong your use you come to a stage where you body becomes totally dependent on it and it doesn’t matter if you are on it for 1 month for a year, the damage is already done.
While I am in no way an expert of steroid use, (I actually totally screwed up my first attempt at it) I have been around the block a few times. And yes I know steroids are a whole other ballpark then what I am talking about. But taking a drug is taking a drug.
Your safest bet for ANY drug is to use it in a much shorter duration to not totally knock off your own body’s natural production of said drug.
[quote]SpecialEd8256 wrote:
We all know some athletes take advantage of short ester compounds like test suspension and designers like The Clear…but they’re unable to use an AI or a PCT because they’d fail
drug test.
Ive always wondered, do they just take it on the chin with the sides?
[/quote]
sorry but you dont see the big picture. precautions depend on what level you are at and what sport-drug package you are using. For fifa/NFL/NBA people seldomly get busted, because now that would harm the interest of the people who run the show, you cant go on busting your moneymakers if they are doping.
similar principles apply to olympic sports, but you have to be the very best. The list of olympic awards that have been taken back from athletes is very short - its a joke. if you are a legend in your prime then rules will be bent for you, if you are a legend on your way down then you are given a chance to hold your honour and withdraw.
If you are on the top, then you can afford design drugs, medical experts work on clearing your system, forbidden methods are performed for(on) you - and you have goodwill of your federation. (and by “you” i mean your country) (forbidden method includes for example variations of blood doping)
lower levels, rely more on luck and undetectable/hardly detectable chemicals.
professional sports are very bad for the athletes health, they know that and accept it - like pro bb’rs accept TRT, low life quality and an early death.
conclusion: the best can do whatever the fuck they want.
(china and russia havent been following international drug testing rules - now there is a shitstorm because of that)
Spose they have scripts for test and/or deca?
Isn’t that how pro wrestlers get away with saucin’?
you cant receive testosterone even in medical treatment, script or none - its not allowed…
nandrolone isnt available for a condition that a pro level athlete would have, its not used in my country at all but given the original purpose of the drug i dont believe anyone could hold up a case defending the use of it for professional athletes. if you really had a condition that would require the drug then you wouldnt be an athlete at all…
i hope you are talking about olympic wrestling? the type of wrestling you get on tv in america isnt a sport, its a show - they are actors - and no one cares if they are using drugs or not (actually they prefer them on drugs…) 
so nope, testosterone cant be used - scripts or not. Insulin on the other hand is widely used, among professional athletic teams youll always have “a diabetic person”…