primo+ proviron

would proviron pick up the slack where primo doesnt in terms of the androgenic side? im thinking proviron would make primo a much more effective steroid. am i right in thinking like this or am i off? if this is correct, what would be a good cycle for the two of them combined, weeks on/off, mgs per day/week, etc. thanks alot

No, Proviron is not an effective skeletal
muscle anabolic. This is probably because
in muscle tissue, it is metabolized to
a different compound which apparently is
not anabolic (namely, 1-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-1-ene-3-one.)

You should discard the “androgenic vs anabolic”
model for thinking about steroids. Androgenic
means virilizing. Do you need more virilization? So it is not an issue. In terms
of how the number is established, it’s from
effect on the rat prostate. Is that really
your goal? Or in terms of how the term
is used in bodybuilding, it seems to mean to many,
“has adverse side effects of any kind” and
that’s not preferable either, is it. I
appreciate that other bodybuilding authors
have used this argument but I’d recommend
completely forgetting about it.

so bill, does proviron have any purpose in a stack or is it pretty non-essential?

Proviron is certainly not essential or of any real value for either mass building or cutting.
However, it may increase vascularity quite well: the most vascular I’ve ever been was
on a day when I was popping Provirons like
candy (the Arnold, 1999). And that was despite
the fact I was in the high sevens in bodyfat
whereas I’ve been often in the mid-sixes since.

Also some say they find it a very good prosexual steroid. Personally, Winstrol is better for me in that regard.

bill, i know you are very knowledgeable about these kinds of things and i have always have taken your advice. with that said, while reading ‘anabolics 2000’ william llewellyn says on pg. 157 “This drug (proviron) is also favored by many during contest preparations, when a lower estrogen/high androgen level is particularly sought after. This is especially beneficial when anabolics like Winstrol, oxandrolone and Primobolan are being used alone, as the androgenic content of these drugs is relatively low. Proviron can supplement a well needed androgen, and bring about an increase in the hardness and density of the muscles. Women in partiular find a single 25mg tablet will efficiently shift the androgen/estrogen ratio, and can have a great impact on the physique.” is william correct in saying this? will its androgenic content increase hardness? will it shift the androgen/estogen ratio in men also, creating a greater physique? is an ‘androgen’ as william puts it nessesary when using only primo or winny? one last question, will it shut down LH and if so, will HCG or the like be needed to bring it back up? thanks for all your help

anyone have a comment/answer to this?

I agree with the hardness/vascularity
thing, but not with the erroneous terminology
of some being called “androgenic” and others
not. The term is being used in a meaningless