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Preventing Impotence

this subject is alittle touchy…I was taking a product 1-AD made by Ergo pharm a couple of years ago. It raise T-levels 700%. I was young and did not know what I was taking. Into the second bottle I stop using it because my balls were starting to hurt. My sex drive has never really been the same. I should have done some PCT or something to bring back my natural T-levels but then again I did not know what I was taking, so I didn’t do anything.

Now my labido is stable but still now to where I think it should be. I’m about to start a cycle soon, so i’m wondering if it is goin to affect my labido negitivly again!!?? Should I not run this cycle? or with a proper PCT I shouldnt have any trouble bounching back??? Thanks for your comments!

Have you had your T levels and ratios tested? Also how old were you when you did this cycle and how old are you now?

I was 20 or 21 I cant really remember that well, now I’m 24. Yes I have had my T-levels checked a couple of months ago and they were fine. I worried that I got them checked to early in the morning though…(9:30) thanks for the comments.

come on fellas…give me something on this subject…!!!

1-AD wasn’t supposed to aromatize, according to it’s chemical structure. It was reported that possible decrease in libido could occur along with hair line recession. But since the half-life is so short, it should clear the system fairly quickly and your body rebound. This is, of course, if you hadn’t been exceeding the recommended dosage and don’t have existing hormonal problems.

Here’s a better description:

1-Testosterone/1-AD

1-Testosterone (17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one) and 1-AD (1-androstenediol, 1-androstene-3beta, 17beta-diol) are probably the two most effective muscle building supplements presently on the market. 1-testosterone is a steroid that is closely chemically related to testosterone; it has a double bond at the 1 position whereas testosterone has a double bond at the 4 position. 1-AD is a 1-testosterone prohormone that is converted to 1-testosterone by the enzyme 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase. Unlike most other prohormones which are readily deactivated in the liver, 1-AD has significant oral activity.

The strong anabolic properties of 1-testosterone have been established in the literature. Research conducted in the 60’s found that 1-testosterone had a myotrophic (anabolic) potency of 200 as compared to 26 for testosterone, making it over 7 times as anabolic. This was done using the rat levator ani assay, which is commonly used to test the anabolic potency of steroids. In addition to this, 1-testosterone and 1-AD are both unable to aromatize to estrogen. Hence these substances cause very significant increases in muscle size and strength with about the androgenic potential of testosterone and almost no estrogenic side effects (water retention, fat gain, gynecomastia).

However, 1-testosterone use is not without side effects. The side effects that can be primarily expected from 1-testosterone are androgenic, similar to the side effects of DHT prohormones but not as severe. These include hair loss, acne, and an increased risk of benign prostate hypertrophy (BPH) (although there is much debate concerning the latter subject). Finasteride (propecia, proscar) cannot be expected to reduce these side effects, as 1-testosterone converts to DHT through a pathway other than 5alpha-reduction. 1-testosterone causes prostate growth in castrated rats equal to that of testosterone; unfortunately this is not a good model for BPH. Those wishing to avoid androgenic side effects should steer clear of 1-AD and 1-testosterone and instead opt for a 19-nor prohormone.

1-AD is used orally, with a low dose being 200-300 mg daily and 600-900 mg daily being commonly utilized (women, should they choose to use 1-AD, should not use a dose higher than 100 mg daily). Dosages as high as 1200-1500 mg daily are not unheard of. 1-testosterone is not considered to be very effective when orally administered, and is most commonly used transdermally at 200-400 mg daily with some going as high as 600 mg. Cycle length for both of these substances is usually 4-8 weeks, although some see good results from 2 week cycles of 1-testosterone. They are most commonly stacked with 4-AD, which can reduce or reverse common side effects such as lethargy and reduced libido. This stack is especially ideal during bulking; during cutting periods, lower doses of 4-AD should be utilized if this stack is chosen. 1-testosterone and 1,4-androstenedione can also be stacked during cutting periods. It is not a good idea to stack these products with DHT precursors (to avoid excessive androgenic side effects) or 19-nor prohormones (as this would cause a significant reduction in libido).

If you were a little concerned about hairline and had 3 bottles (two weeks worth each?) of this stuff would you not even use one bottle, or are those kinds of side-effects something one would be more concerned about if taking a lot more than just a couple bottles?

[quote]vkn1 wrote:
If you were a little concerned about hairline and had 3 bottles (two weeks worth each?) of this stuff would you not even use one bottle, or are those kinds of side-effects something one would be more concerned about if taking a lot more than just a couple bottles?[/quote]

I believe that is a case by case thing. If you are predisposed to hair loss, then you are more likely to see some recession than someone who isn’t.

sorry if im thread jacking or anything but i was wondering if anyone knows if tamoxifen could cause impotence?

so what your saying is my libido should have bounced back to normal function shortly after discontinuing use with this product?

[quote]raiderUM wrote:
so what your saying is my libido should have bounced back to normal function shortly after discontinuing use with this product? [/quote]

I’d imagine that depends on how large the doses you used while on, and your natural hormonal system.

I don’t think it has bounced back to normal . What can I do to get it all the way back and some more? and how do I keep it from getting worse when I do my next upcoming cycle??

[quote]raiderUM wrote:
I don’t think it has bounced back to normal . What can I do to get it all the way back and some more? and how do I keep it from getting worse when I do my next upcoming cycle?? [/quote]

It is normal for your libido to decline somewhat with age. You are 3 years older than you were before you took the 1-AD.

However, try some proviron either with your next cycle or before.

ED/low libido comes with the territory although you are pretty young to have that kind of problem. Get some proviron, hcg and keep your cycle to the 4 week range, instead of doing a 12 weeker do 3 4 weekers with an HPTA regeneration cycle between each. Other than that:

  • Watch lots of porn
  • Eat lots of broccoli
  • Squat, Dead Lift and Bench heavy
  • lay of junk food, weed and alcohol if your so inclined.

Good luck…

[quote]Over40 wrote:
ED/low libido comes with the territory although you are pretty young to have that kind of problem. Get some proviron, hcg and keep your cycle to the 4 week range, instead of doing a 12 weeker do 3 4 weekers with an HPTA regeneration cycle between each. Other than that:

  • Watch lots of porn
  • Eat lots of broccoli
  • Squat, Dead Lift and Bench heavy
  • lay of junk food, weed and alcohol if your so inclined.

Good luck…[/quote]

HAHA Awesome advice! And don’t forget the sleep. You can’t pound like a champ uless you’re rested.

[quote]Over40 wrote:
ED/low libido comes with the territory although you are pretty young to have that kind of problem. Get some proviron, hcg and keep your cycle to the 4 week range, instead of doing a 12 weeker do 3 4 weekers with an HPTA regeneration cycle between each. Other than that:

  • Watch lots of porn
  • Eat lots of broccoli
  • Squat, Dead Lift and Bench heavy
  • lay of junk food, weed and alcohol if your so inclined.

Good luck…[/quote]

I would echo most of the above. The proviron definitely helps for sure.

I don’t know if 4 week cycles are adviseable though. Short cycles of 2 weeks are usually advised for “short” cycles. Bill Roberts among others asserted that 3-5 weeks was the worst range since it was long enough to shut you down but not long enough too the extended results of traditional 10-12 weekers.

Otherwise everthing else is gospel

thanks again for all of the great information!! I’ll put it all to great use.